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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2018, 06:49:12 AM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2018, 06:51:09 AM »

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Rather off Kyrie that way Butler can help force the deal and draft a guard this summer which is draft heavy for guards.   Also, Scary Terry can play.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2018, 07:30:25 AM »

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Rather off Kyrie that way Butler can help force the deal and draft a guard this summer which is draft heavy for guards.   Also, Scary Terry can play.

This draft is heavy on wings and very light on bigs and ballhandlers.
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2018, 07:58:11 AM »

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Rather off Kyrie that way Butler can help force the deal and draft a guard this summer which is draft heavy for guards.   Also, Scary Terry can play.

This draft is heavy on wings and very light on bigs and ballhandlers.
RJ Barrett is a ball-handler predominantly, he's just very long. Definitely not a true PG, but a ball-handler nonetheless.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2018, 07:59:06 AM »

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This draft is heavy on wings and very light on bigs and ballhandlers.

I am calling your BS plenty of guards in there.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/6/22/17473998/nba-mock-draft-2019-duke-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-cameron-reddish

Also, guys always have to switch positions because their college size and NBA size are different.


Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2018, 08:21:15 AM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better. 

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2018, 08:43:41 AM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better.
Thatís not how it works at all. There arenít only 6 guards in the top 15 players in the NBA. Thatís an incredibly dishonest argument.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2018, 09:41:28 AM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better.
And yet, with Jimmy Butler for 59 games (roughly the same as Kyrie, except he played in the playoffs),  Wiggins, Teague, Dieng, Taj Gibson and Jamal Crawford, they won 8 less games than the C's and Towns offense deteriorated in the playoffs. Capela neutralized him, and Houston had little trouble taking them out.

On the other hand, despite a difficult injury, Jaylen stepped up considerably in the playoffs and found a way to be the best player on the floor in several games. There was no comparison between the two teams in terms of competitiveness and performance.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2018, 09:46:21 AM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better.
Thatís not how it works at all. There arenít only 6 guards in the top 15 players in the NBA. Thatís an incredibly dishonest argument.
He is a top 15 player in the league and not just because finished on the 3rd Team All NBA (and not just because before the season SI (12th) and ESPN (14th) had him there and then he only got better).  He finished in the top 10 in a number of statistical categories including 4th in rebounds per game.  His offensive rating was 126.7 which was 2nd in the league.  His VORP of 5.5 was 6th.   He was 2nd in the league in win shares.  His true shooting percentage was 9th.  His PER was 10th.  Towns is an offensive juggernaut, unlike any that the league has ever seen (given his size, range, athleticism, etc.). 

This idea that Towns isn't a top 15 player in the league right now is just silly.  He clearly had a top 15 statistical season (probably top 10 in reality).  He was on a team that was 12 games over .500 and had the best on/off differential on that team.  In addition to having the best ORTG on the Wolves (excluding Anthony Brown and his 4 minutes in 1 game), he also had the best DRTG (excluding Patton and Aldrich and their combined 53 minutes).  He was the best player on a playoff team and he was 22 years old in just his 3rd year in the league.   

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2018, 09:54:55 AM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better.
And yet, with Jimmy Butler for 59 games (roughly the same as Kyrie, except he played in the playoffs),  Wiggins, Teague, Dieng, Taj Gibson and Jamal Crawford, they won 8 less games than the C's and Towns offense deteriorated in the playoffs. Capela neutralized him, and Houston had little trouble taking them out.

On the other hand, despite a difficult injury, Jaylen stepped up considerably in the playoffs and found a way to be the best player on the floor in several games. There was no comparison between the two teams in terms of competitiveness and performance.
Houston was the best team in basketball last year.  The comparison between them and the teams the C's played is just silly.  The C's are in the East, the Wolves are in the West again making a team win comparison silly (though Boston was 16-2 to start the year while it took the Wolves some time to find their groove with all their new players starting the year just 14-11).  12 games over .500 and just the 8th seed.  Comparing teams like that is just silly. 

And Towns still had a TS% of 54.2 against the Rockets.  He scored 15.2 ppg on just 12 shots (wasn't very good from 3 but had just 11 attempts) and managed a "terrible" 13.4 rpg in the series.  The Wolves tried to play the Rockets game and they just aren't as good as the Rockets.  That was flat out a poor coaching job from Thibs. 

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2018, 11:32:12 AM »

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I can't believe how many irrational voters chose no in this poll.

Brown is a redundant player in the most stacked position on this team.  He may not even be better than Morris.

KAT plays the position the Celtics are the thinnest at so naturally you'd snatch him up if you could.


Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2018, 12:15:04 PM »

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Rather off Kyrie that way Butler can help force the deal and draft a guard this summer which is draft heavy for guards.   Also, Scary Terry can play.

This draft is heavy on wings and very light on bigs and ballhandlers.
This draft may be heavy at the top for wings but if you look deeper it has lots of bigs (guys 6'10 and over) that have mad skills and will go in the first round. Bigs are also sometimes slower to develop but I could list 10 guys (maybe 7 off the top of my head) that could go in the first round. That's 1/3 of the first round.

Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2018, 12:19:14 PM »

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This draft is heavy on wings and very light on bigs and ballhandlers.

I am calling your BS plenty of guards in there.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/6/22/17473998/nba-mock-draft-2019-duke-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-cameron-reddish

Also, guys always have to switch positions because their college size and NBA size are different.

I apologize. In your original post you talked about moving Kyrie so we could replace him with this draft. Kyrie is a primary on ball point playmaker in my opinion (with obvious off ball abilities.) Drafting a Cam Reddish or RJ Barrett would fill a wing role. We would still have a hole where Kyrie was. The first "point guard" off the list was at pick 15.

If we are moving Kyrie, I'd love to use our high end draft capital to replace him, not middling picks. If I misunderstood your vision for our team going forward, I apologize. I think this draft is top heavy in wings, be it a shooting guard or small forward.
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Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2018, 12:30:14 PM »

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You guys are crazy. Towns is one of the 15 best players on the world 3 years into his career.  He is one of the best offensive players in all of basketball.  His shooting is incredible.  He is an excellent rebounder and credible passer.  His defense needs work but he has the skill level to be at least passable if not better (and I do think the fact he plays with so many poor defenders makes him seem worse than he actually is).  Jaylen Brown if everything goes right will be lucky to be as good as Towns is right now.
Disagree with that, but you don't seem to like Brown.  Towns is an elite talent offensively and won the Skills competition a few years ago, but he hasn't made Minny much better.  Why?  Yes, if you are top-15 then you make any team better.
He was 3rd Team All NBA last year.  That makes him one of the 15 best players and it is hard to argue his inclusion was a fluke (like say IT4's 2nd Team was) since he has gotten better each season.  The Wolves were 13.5 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor then when he was off the floor (his +- with him on the floor was 6.2).  That is pretty much the definition of making your team better.
And yet, with Jimmy Butler for 59 games (roughly the same as Kyrie, except he played in the playoffs),  Wiggins, Teague, Dieng, Taj Gibson and Jamal Crawford, they won 8 less games than the C's and Towns offense deteriorated in the playoffs. Capela neutralized him, and Houston had little trouble taking them out.

On the other hand, despite a difficult injury, Jaylen stepped up considerably in the playoffs and found a way to be the best player on the floor in several games. There was no comparison between the two teams in terms of competitiveness and performance.
Houston was the best team in basketball last year.  The comparison between them and the teams the C's played is just silly.  The C's are in the East, the Wolves are in the West again making a team win comparison silly (though Boston was 16-2 to start the year while it took the Wolves some time to find their groove with all their new players starting the year just 14-11).  12 games over .500 and just the 8th seed.  Comparing teams like that is just silly. 

And Towns still had a TS% of 54.2 against the Rockets.  He scored 15.2 ppg on just 12 shots (wasn't very good from 3 but had just 11 attempts) and managed a "terrible" 13.4 rpg in the series.  The Wolves tried to play the Rockets game and they just aren't as good as the Rockets.  That was flat out a poor coaching job from Thibs.
Dude, can you quit with the "silly" crap? You can disagree, and you can point out counter arguments. That's good enough.

Houston was a lot better than the teams the C's played. I didn't say they were equal. But Minnesota did play, and they were disappointing. I pointed out that Towns did not step up, and did not play up to his normal level in the playoffs.

I did compare the C's to the Timberwolves. I do contend we were considerably better, and that raw talent was not the reason. We played harder, smarter and with more poise. Towns is the centerpiece of that team. Brown was a leader of the C's playoff surge. I think it speaks to a difference in the toughness and competitiveness of the two players.


Re: Trade idea: Jaylen Brown for Karl-Anthony Towns
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2018, 01:30:10 PM »

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