Robert Williams (Merged Threads)

[wiley]

I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

Yup.  TP.  My sister almost died at 20 from combining speed and alcohol.  Emergency room...all that..She went on to be a consultant in a law firm, community philanthropist, church deacon, and a devoted mom of two A students...  We should have just thrown her in the bad egg basket though and wiped our hands of her...

[Ogaju]

I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

Yup.  TP.  My sister almost died at 20 from combining speed and alcohol.  Emergency room...all that..She went on to be a consultant in a law firm, community philanthropist, church deacon, and a devoted mom of two A students...  We should have just thrown her in the bad egg basket though and wiped our hands of her...

who took her to the ER and what all is in that 'all that'?

[wiley]

I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

Yup.  TP.  My sister almost died at 20 from combining speed and alcohol.  Emergency room...all that..She went on to be a consultant in a law firm, community philanthropist, church deacon, and a devoted mom of two A students...  We should have just thrown her in the bad egg basket though and wiped our hands of her...

who took her to the ER and what all is in that 'all that'?

her friends took her.  Stomach pumped while unconscious...

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

You know he doesn't know you or any of us, right? It doesn't matter how we feel about him, we have no control. we can say the nicest or meanest things and he will still do w/e he wants to do. Everyone has pretty much agreed he needs help, the only disagreement I see, is whether it makes him different than many other young people. A lot of young people do dumb things and most honest people will tell you that they did stupid things when they were young that would be seen as much worse than missing a call and flight. We all want him to get it together and prosper.

The true differences for him is the "world" is watching and social media. Some of the best players ever, did far worse than this dude. I don't like how he's acting, no doubt about it, but I know immaturity is nothing new.

[byennie]

One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

[RockinRyA]

Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?

Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

[DooVoo]

One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

He is a young rookie coming into a league of men and will need guidance like every other player entering the NBA. Back off a little and climb down off the ledge with this "he has a problem" stuff. No one won anything. This isn't a game. He was the #27th pick in the draft. The Celtics aren't going to be built around him. They will take it slow with him. Maybe we shouldn't be spending our 4th of July psychoanalyzing someone we know nothing about. We are just fans.

[Ogaju]

Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?

Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not. 

[smokeablount]

I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

Does the other old man Muppet in the balcony get sad when you leave to go log into Celticsblog?

[smokeablount]

Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?

Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

Is that more or less relevant than him being an all star?

[smokeablount]

Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?

Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

[YoungOne87]

Do we really need another Robert Williams thread?

It's rollies new man crush.
You will see plenty more 

[tenn_smoothie]

I feel like this issue is increasing becoming a "get-off-my-lawn" generational issue between Boomers/Xers and Millenials.

Please don't insult Baby Boomers, children of America's greatest generation, by lumping them in with the Gen-Xers. The Xers and their screwed up values are just as deplorable as the Millenials.

[YoungOne87]

Hello guys,

as a german myself, I wondered if Danny would have picked Wagner over Williams if he was still available at 27.

I didn't watch any college games, so I don't really know much about them.

I would like to know what you guys think.

Thanks. 

[rollie mass]

This was a simple solution to a problem that was a result of no interviews, no tryouts and the dropping down to an unexpected level.The allure of his athleticism made this pick
His agent is supplying a trainer and an ex coach from his hometown as roommates.
Jayson had his mother and Brown his best friend.Colleges have dorms and a campus
.Yabuselle had a minder in China
The kid now has a chance.
Danny can set the price of his rookie contract there is a high side as well lower on rookie scale contracts.The agent obviously wants to hold his clients above and wants his client to succeed long term.
Danny has an investment from the time he called his name .
And us fans would like him to be our shot blocking center of future.

Larranaga has already praised Williams ability to pick things up and be coached as well as dunking.That's a start probably the easy part
Then after Summer League he will have time to find his way around Boston and bond with some of the younger players and vets.