Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Phantom255x]

So my Dad predicts AD is coming here in some 3-team trade and Kyrie is staying.

My dad almost 2 years ago predicted Kyrie would come to Boston when a lot (myself included) didn't think we were even an option, and then a month later it actually happened. He felt it would be a heartbreaking move but a "smart one" at the time too. He also thought Carmelo would be traded to OKC and he actually did close to the start of the 2017-2018 season. Many thought Carmelo was going Houston or somewhere else at that time. And he also thought CP3 would be in a S&T deal going to another team two years ago, and he actually was (to Houston).

I think he's pretty good at this stuff, so it'll be cool to see if he's right again or not. He did get the Kawhi drama wrong as he thought he'd get traded to the Lakers, but instead it was the Raptors. Though in fairness, I don't think ANYONE could have predicted back then it'd be the Raptors lol. He also thought George was definitely going to the Lakers. So basically his predictions regarding the Lakers are usually wrong 

For anyone curious, he thinks Beal will get traded to the Lakers for Lonzo, #4 + another asset, but they don't sign any of the top names (KD/Kawhi/Kyrie, etc).

My Dad still thinks this, BUT he also thinks if the Lakers and Pelicans are able to somehow make it a 3-team deal with Washington for Beal, then LAL will get him. But he (and most here) think that it'll be hard to do still plus it could still depend on if Beal is even available (haven't really heard that he is besides from a few LAKERS sources lol).

[mef730]

I think Danny has a trade up his sleeve but it won't be for Davis. It will be smaller for a Vet PG using draft picks and maybe a current player or two.

There is no reason to gut your roster for AD. I guess the question is can Boston win the title with just adding AD and losing Kyrie? I do not think so....esp if Rozier is the PG

You've had a bunch of posts over the past few days where I thought, "That's exactly what I'm thinking." So enough with the Legilimens.

The only thing that I know about DA is this: He's never executed a trade that has been rumored in the media, and the trades that he has executed have never been leaked. If it's in the media, it's because DA wants it there.

I'm not saying that he doesn't want AD, but this guy is the master of the false flag operation.

[footey]

I think Danny is helping the Pels jack up the price to the Lakers, with no intent of going forward on the deal if Kyrie does not commit to Boston.

[RMO]

So my Dad predicts AD is coming here in some 3-team trade and Kyrie is staying.

My dad almost 2 years ago predicted Kyrie would come to Boston when a lot (myself included) didn't think we were even an option, and then a month later it actually happened. He felt it would be a heartbreaking move but a "smart one" at the time too. He also thought Carmelo would be traded to OKC and he actually did close to the start of the 2017-2018 season. Many thought Carmelo was going Houston or somewhere else at that time. And he also thought CP3 would be in a S&T deal going to another team two years ago, and he actually was (to Houston).

I think he's pretty good at this stuff, so it'll be cool to see if he's right again or not. He did get the Kawhi drama wrong as he thought he'd get traded to the Lakers, but instead it was the Raptors. Though in fairness, I don't think ANYONE could have predicted back then it'd be the Raptors lol. He also thought George was definitely going to the Lakers. So basically his predictions regarding the Lakers are usually wrong 

For anyone curious, he thinks Beal will get traded to the Lakers for Lonzo, #4 + another asset, but they don't sign any of the top names (KD/Kawhi/Kyrie, etc).

My Dad still thinks this, BUT he also thinks if the Lakers and Pelicans are able to somehow make it a 3-team deal with Washington for Beal, then LAL will get him. But he (and most here) think that it'll be hard to do still plus it could still depend on if Beal is even available (haven't really heard that he is besides from a few LAKERS sources lol).

Go turn the fourth pick into Beal feels like when I want to talk to my wife uninterrupted so I tell my kids to go hide and I'll count to one thousand.

[PhoSita]

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2019/6/14/18679083/anthony-davis-nba-trade-ranking-assets-tatum-shai-lonzo-kuzma-ingram-pelicans-lakers-celtics-knicks



Worth a quick read. 

Top 5:

1. Jayson Tatum

2. D'Lo Russell

3. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

4. Knicks #3

5. Jaylen Brown



Notable that the folks at TBW don't think Ingram or Kuzma are noteworthy assets.  Ball and the #4 pick are the only assets that rank at #6 and #7.

[Irish Stew]

Logic - from what we can gather thus far from the minimal leaks involving the Celtics package, one thing is clear: Griffin highly values Tatum as the ultimate prize for AD. Per reports, we could probably get away with a package of something like Tatum, Smart, salary filler, and #14 pick for AD at this point, which for AD is a pretty great deal.

Let's imagine that Danny has a pretty good idea that Kyrie is going to Brooklyn, yet he still says screw it and decides he is going for it now. He then puts the ultimatum back on Griffin and says, "Fine, if you want Tatum and the Memphis pick, then I want Jrue back along with AD." While NOLA is not actively shopping Jrue, I think they would seriously consider trading him under these conditions. So a couple of assumptions first:

Assumption 1 - NOLA would trade Jrue alongside AD in the right package, even though they currently aren't actively searching for a trade.

Assumption 2 - Horford is willing to opt-in to the final year of his contract and be traded to another contender, specifically the Rockets. This has been floated about a lot in the media as a plan B option if the C's go young, so I think it's fairly plausible, especially to Houston since they were high on his list in free agency. This would give Horford and Houston a serious shot to come out of the West.

Assumption 3 - Rozier is willing to sign a $60M/4 Year deal in NOLA. I think this is also fairly plausible, as this would allow him a starting position (which is his first priority), alongside a really young and talented group. I also don't think this contract is unreasonable if Griffin still thinks he can replicate something at least close to "2018 Playoff Terry" with a bigger role and more touches. That said, Smart can easily take Rozier's place in this trade if this assumption wouldn't play out, as the money would still work (I believe).

The Trade:

Boston: AD, Holiday, Hartenstein (Non-guaranteed salary filler)

NOLA: Capela, Rozier, Gordon (possible further trade bait for NOLA), Tatum, 2020 Memphis pick, 2019 # 20 pick

Houston: Horford, Moore, 2019 #22 pick

Here's the salary breakdown that I think I have right and which works:

Pelicans Out:                    Pelicans In:
Jrue - $26,131,111                 Rozier - $15,000,000
AD - $27,093, 019                 Tatum - $7,830,000
Moore - $8,664,928                 Gordon - $14,057,730
Total - $61,889,058                 Capela - $16,896,552
Total - $53,784,282

Boston Out:                    Boston In:
Rozier - $15,000,000 ($7.5M outgoing)     AD - $27,093, 019
Tatum - $7,830,000                 Jrue - $26,131,111
Horford - $30,123,015                   Hartenstein -  $1,416,852
Total - $45,453,015                 Total - $54,640,982

Houston Out:                    Houston In:
Capela - $16,896,552                 Horford - $30,123,015
Gordon - $14,057,730              Moore - $8,664,928
Hartenstein -  $1,416,852              Total - $38,787,943
Total - $32,321,134

Why for NOLA - This gets them their single prize to pair with Zion (Tatum), the Memphis pick and another first round pick this year, alongside two young vets with solid starting potential who also pair well with the rest of the roster. That's a really good haul for those two players given the context. Further, a young core of Zion, Tatum, Capela, Rozier, #22 pick, and the Memphis pick in 2020/2021 is super exciting and fits really well together as a fast-paced, athletic running team. They would definitely become prime time NBA League Pass material.

Why for Houston - It has already been reported that Morey is ready and willing to trade anyone and everyone not named Harden in order to improve the squad to be a more realistic threat this year. In the playoffs, Capela really struggled trying to guard GS's perimeter guys on switches, and he doesn't look to be the kind of offensive fit that they need to really come out of the West given his limited offensive game and lack of spacing. Horford, on the other hand, is an excellent fit in that offense and would make them so much deadlier offensively with his spacing and passing, while still being able to be an anchor defensively. And while they do lose Gordon in the deal, they get back Moore (an even more efficient three point shooter who would thrive in D'Antoni's system) and the number 22 pick in this draft.

Why for Boston - This move would allow Boston to compete for a title this year and for the foreseeable future if we convinced AD to stay, as Holiday is a pretty underrated borderline All-Star player in his prime that plays at a high-level on both sides of the ball. If we resigned Mook to a deal somewhere around $50M/4 years, that would leave us with the following roster before considering any other free agents:

PG: Holiday, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Semi
PF: Morris, Theis, Yabusele
C: Davis, Baynes, Williams

That's a contending roster that is very, very good on both sides of the ball and would have to be favored to come out of the East, so long as Hayward has made some improvements over the summer being farther away from the injury. Further, while we do lose a bit of youth with Tatum, we actually get younger with Davis (26) and Holiday (29) instead of having Horford, who potentially could be starting to lose a step or two. Add a rotation player with the draft pick and someone like an Ariza and/or Rubio/Beverly, and that roster is stacked. It's also a good mix of vets entering/in their prime and younger guys still improving - Holiday (29), Brown (22), Hayward (29), Morris (29), Davis (26), Smart (25), Baynes (32), Semi (24), Yabusele (23), Theis (27), Williams (21).

What's even better about this is that you would significantly increase your chances of keeping AD. First, AD and Holiday are very close and really bonded as teammates, so that gives him another incentive to stay if the team succeeds. Further, by paying Morris you build up a bit of good will with Rich Paul, which while technically not supposed to matter in any AD decision, it will definitely go a long way toward making him less hostile to resigning in Boston.

So what do you say to this kind of deal if you're Danny and have a strong suspicion that Kyrie is Brooklyn-bound? Who says no?

TP. Enjoyed reading this trade. Seems relatively fair to all 3 teams. The only 2 questions that I have are:

1) Don't you have to account for the salaries or holds of the two 2019 draft picks?

2) Does NOLA even want Rozier and at that salary? Would we want Rozier at $15 million/year?

[PhoSita]

OK, I know that there's already an Anthony Davis trade rumor thread.  I'm not trying to duplicate anything here.

I am only starting this poll because I think the AD trade is likely to happen in the next 5-6 days, and I think it would be nice to have a snapshot of where the fanbase is at prior to that happening.


Right now what we know about the trade negotiations

1. The Lakers are trying to make a deal and are supposedly not willing to include Kuzma.

2. The Pelicans have told the Lakers to try to shop the #4 pick in order to bring a third team into the deal that can send an All-Star caliber player (Beal?) to New Orleans

3. The Celtics are also trying to make a play for Davis but at this point it seems that Ainge has not included Tatum in any offers.

4. Kyrie Irving recently signed up with a new agency and has given indications through his new agency that he is planning to sign with the Nets; however, other reports suggest an AD trade might change his mind about returning to Boston.

5. Anthony Davis's agent, Rich Paul, is proclaiming to anybody who will listen that Davis is likely to leave in free agency next summer if the Celtics trade for him.  Rich Paul is also LeBron's agent and it's not exactly a secret that Paul is trying to get AD to the Lakers.  Supposedly that is what AD wants, too.



Most people seem to agree that Tatum is the best asset that any team has to offer.  If Danny Ainge offers Tatum in a package, New Orleans will probably accept.  The Pelicans don't seem particularly enamored of the assets the Lakers have to offer, and other teams that might be in on the bidding (Nets?) have complications in trying to make a deal (e.g. figuring out a sign and trade with Russell).



Key question here is this -- should the Celts give up Tatum in exchange for what might be just a single year of Davis?  Is it worth the risk?

The Celtics need to make a decision on that one way or another.  That decision is going to determine the direction of the franchise for the next half decade or more.

I want to get a sense of what the breakdown of sentiment is for the CelticsStrong community right now.


What do you think?

[jambr380]

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2019/6/14/18679083/anthony-davis-nba-trade-ranking-assets-tatum-shai-lonzo-kuzma-ingram-pelicans-lakers-celtics-knicks



Worth a quick read. 

Top 5:

1. Jayson Tatum

2. D'Lo Russell

3. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

4. Knicks #3

5. Jaylen Brown



Notable that the folks at TBW don't think Ingram or Kuzma are noteworthy assets.  Ball and the #4 pick are the only assets that rank at #6 and #7.

The fact that Russell gets so much play in these rumors still baffles me; not because he isn't a good player - of course he is - but because so much would have to go right for the Nets to be able to use him in a trade. If Russell gets an offer from any other team, he could sign an offer sheet with that team and the Nets would either be forced to match or let him go. If they match, then they can no longer use him in a S&T.

Russell would literally have to want to go to NOP for this to work at all. All of the other assets do not have a choice and therefore are much more concrete trade pieces.

[celticinorlando]

I voted yes but not giving up Tatum. Just think Tatum has to be left out because of AD being a rental.

Cannot give up the farm.

[Rondo9]

I think Danny is helping the Pels jack up the price to the Lakers, with no intent of going forward on the deal if Kyrie does not commit to Boston.

Why would he want to help the Lakers?

[jambr380]

I'm not really comfortable voting based on the choices. I would have said yes if it was Tatum without MEM or Jaylen with MEM...so I consider myself a 'yes' - even if we include Tatum - but no reason to include the MEM pick if that's the case. I guess I'll answer yes, but wanted to explain myself here.

The new poll may save you, but this is one of the most merge-worthy topics of all-time. Well-respected poster, jpotter, put in all kinds of effort last night with a new complex three-way trade idea and that immediately got the merge hammer. I'll be rooting for you!

[PhoSita]

I'm not really comfortable voting based on the choices. I would have said yes if it was Tatum without MEM or Jaylen with MEM...so I consider myself a 'yes' - even if we include Tatum - but no reason to include the MEM pick if that's the case. I guess I'll answer yes, but wanted to explain myself here.

The new poll may save you, but this is one of the most merge-worthy topics of all-time. Well-respected poster, jpotter, put in all kinds of effort last night with a new complex three-way trade idea and that immediately got the merge hammer. I'll be rooting for you!

There -- I changed the poll so that it's just "Tatum in the deal" as opposed to "Tatum not in the deal."



I also want to reiterate that this thread is not meant as a trade idea.  I'm not suggesting anything new or specific.  The idea is only to get a picture of where our fan community is at on this key question right now: Give up Tatum to get AD, or avoid the risk?

[PhoSita]

OK -- I see that my poll has been merged into the mega thread, but the poll is at the top.

So that's fine.

[jambr380]

I'm not really comfortable voting based on the choices. I would have said yes if it was Tatum without MEM or Jaylen with MEM...so I consider myself a 'yes' - even if we include Tatum - but no reason to include the MEM pick if that's the case. I guess I'll answer yes, but wanted to explain myself here.

The new poll may save you, but this is one of the most merge-worthy topics of all-time. Well-respected poster, jpotter, put in all kinds of effort last night with a new complex three-way trade idea and that immediately got the merge hammer. I'll be rooting for you!

There -- I changed the poll so that it's just "Tatum in the deal" as opposed to "Tatum not in the deal."

I also want to reiterate that this thread is not meant as a trade idea.  I'm not suggesting anything new or specific.  The idea is only to get a picture of where our fan community is at on this key question right now: Give up Tatum to get AD, or avoid the risk?

Glad the new poll stuck around (but polls from yesteryear keep disappearing into the abyss) and thanks for the change. I never thought you were creating a trade idea, just was stating that the merging of topics has reached an out of control level (as evidenced by even the great jpotter's latest post) and wanted to give you ample warning. Guess they didn't waste any time.

[apc]

IDK if DA and AD will have some kind of conversation before a trade. but a lot depends on how that conversation goes.