Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[ETNCeltics]

TP. 100% agree.

[dreamgreen]

Davis and KI can pound sand!! Hope KI goes to the Nets and Davis to the Knicks and they can be on losers for the next 5 years! Have fun wasting your career with those teams, bye bye!!

[RJ87]

Does this need to be a separate thread outside of the AD one? This article is already being discussed at length there.

[Moranis]

This "warning" is all about getting AD to the Lakers THIS YEAR. If AD doesn't get to the Lakers by next season, Paul knows that it might not happen. If he already thinks AD doesn't end up on the Lakers if it doesn't happen this offseason, that kind of tells you how much to worry about this "threat" of going into free agency. Paul knows AD might actually re-sign with the team trading for him and that's why he wants the only option to be the Lakers.

Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Your post is what doesn't make sense. Rich Paul isn't an independent or a journalist, running around out there shouting his opinions. He works for Anthony Davis. lol at the trade-at-any-cost folks who act like Paul is driving all this and not Davis.

When did all of this start?

Months ago.

It's been going on for months. Paul is just more vocal about it right now. I'd suspect because the LAL aren't making the offer NO wants.

If AD wanted to come to Boston, he'd tell Paul to shut his mouth. End of story. It's not as if AD was forced to hire him and has no say in what's transpiring. It would be idiocy to throw Tatum away in this environment.

AD hired Rich Paul in September. Prior to that Davis always said he wanted to win in New Orleans. 4 months later the circus started. You think AD was just waiting for Rich Paul?

Even if your premise is 100% correct, AD is letting Paul call the shots. AD didn't back away from Paul's comments in NO, he doubled down on them. Either way, there's very little chance of a path to AD that leads to him in Boston long term, other than the hope and prayer the teams he wants to go to run out of cap room. You can spin it any way you want, AD doesn't want to be in Boston, or the man AD is allowing to run his career for him doesn't want him in Boston.

Then why is Rich Paul so concerned with warning Boston not to trade for him? Are the Celtics now in Rich Paul's interests? He's looking out for Danny Ainge suddenly? No, he's concerned with helping Lebron this year. Otherwise he knows AD can go to Boston or wherever else and LA could keep cap space and sign him as a free agent.

Because his client wants to play for the Lakers and Knicks.  This isn't rocket science.  Anthony Davis wants to play for the Lakers and Knicks.  Davis is concerned that another team, like the Celtics, might acquire him anyway and he doesn't want that to happen.  So Davis has his agent go on the offensive to try and scare other teams away so that Davis can end up going where he wants to go.  This isn't some grand conspiracy to help Lebron, it is an agent doing exactly what his client wants him to do.

[footey]

Does this need to be a separate thread outside of the AD one? This article is already being discussed at length there.

I’ll let the mods decide but the article deserves its own thread IMO.

[rollie mass]

Remember Davis has been living in New Orleans for years .Boston weather the snow and traffic will drive him straight into LA's hands for nothing.
Kyrie only said what he thought the fans wanted to hear and kept his options open.
Kyrie damaged the Celtics reputation after two top free agent signings.
When Kyrie gets to Nets he better watch out they play defense in regular season.
If Davis gets traded to LA Kyrie might be right behind him.Same with Knicks.
And we should keep the Memphis pick.
Whatever happened to Kris Dunn he had good size.
Then there is Ricky Rubio

[RJ87]

This "warning" is all about getting AD to the Lakers THIS YEAR. If AD doesn't get to the Lakers by next season, Paul knows that it might not happen. If he already thinks AD doesn't end up on the Lakers if it doesn't happen this offseason, that kind of tells you how much to worry about this "threat" of going into free agency. Paul knows AD might actually re-sign with the team trading for him and that's why he wants the only option to be the Lakers.

Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Your post is what doesn't make sense. Rich Paul isn't an independent or a journalist, running around out there shouting his opinions. He works for Anthony Davis. lol at the trade-at-any-cost folks who act like Paul is driving all this and not Davis.

When did all of this start?

Months ago.

It's been going on for months. Paul is just more vocal about it right now. I'd suspect because the LAL aren't making the offer NO wants.

If AD wanted to come to Boston, he'd tell Paul to shut his mouth. End of story. It's not as if AD was forced to hire him and has no say in what's transpiring. It would be idiocy to throw Tatum away in this environment.

AD hired Rich Paul in September. Prior to that Davis always said he wanted to win in New Orleans. 4 months later the circus started. You think AD was just waiting for Rich Paul?

Even if your premise is 100% correct, AD is letting Paul call the shots. AD didn't back away from Paul's comments in NO, he doubled down on them. Either way, there's very little chance of a path to AD that leads to him in Boston long term, other than the hope and prayer the teams he wants to go to run out of cap room. You can spin it any way you want, AD doesn't want to be in Boston, or the man AD is allowing to run his career for him doesn't want him in Boston.

Then why is Rich Paul so concerned with warning Boston not to trade for him? Are the Celtics now in Rich Paul's interests? He's looking out for Danny Ainge suddenly? No, he's concerned with helping Lebron this year. Otherwise he knows AD can go to Boston or wherever else and LA could keep cap space and sign him as a free agent.

Because his client wants to play for the Lakers and Knicks.  This isn't rocket science.  Anthony Davis wants to play for the Lakers and Knicks.  Davis is concerned that another team, like the Celtics, might acquire him anyway and he doesn't want that to happen.  So Davis has his agent go on the offensive to try and scare other teams away so that Davis can end up going where he wants to go.  This isn't some grand conspiracy to help Lebron, it is an agent doing exactly what his client wants him to do.

Partially, because he's going to hit FA either way in a season so he can pick where he wants to go then. The difference here is that if LA doesn't acquire him via trade this offseason, things get murky. Lebron's 34 and if they can get a FA to commit this offseason, that means there's no money for AD next season.

Don't get me wrong, I've never believed that AD is some innocent bystander. I think he fully wants to go to LA BUT Rich is absolutely pulling double duty here for Lebron.

[ozgod]

AD's agent already warned the Celts to stay away from AD.

I think it's time to walk away.

Let Kyrie go to NY.

Trade Horford for Capela.

Keep Hayward.

Start rebuilding again and hopefully no shortcuts this time.

Rich Paul, first and foremost, works for LeBron James. Klutch Sports is basically LeBron's agency. So I take anything coming out of Rich Paul's mouth with a massive grain of salt because I assume anything Paul says is to further advance any agenda LeBron wants, above even the desires of any other player Paul represents.

Until I hear from Davis that he doesn't want to be in Boston or won't re-sign, I am not writing off acquiring Davis because Davis' agent is compromised.

I agree.

But it's also very unlikely AD will commit to Boston long term if he gets traded to Boston.

It's in AD's best interest to become a FA next summer.

Right now it's looking like it's too big a risk for Boston.

Davis won't sign an extension, it would cost him money. He is definitely going to free agency. But a successful year in Boston could make him want to re-sign after next season.

That's basically what Rich Paul said, that's he's only going for a year and then he'll be going into free agency.

Boston? Davis’s father told ESPN in February that he wouldn’t want his son playing for the Celtics, and Paul confirms that he has warned off Boston management.

“They can trade for him, but it’ll be for one year,” Paul says. “I mean: If the Celtics traded for Anthony Davis, we would go there and we would abide by our contractual [obligations] and we would go into free agency in 2020. I’ve stated that to them. But in the event that he decides to walk away and you give away assets? Don’t blame Rich Paul.”

Posturing? Maybe. But get ready for another year of it, because Paul says Davis won’t be signing an extension anywhere this summer.

“Where he’s going to land? I have no idea,” Paul says. “And it don’t matter. We’re going into free agency. Why does it matter to me where he goes? Earth: We’re going into free agency. He has a year, he has to play. But after that, I can’t say it no bigger: WE ARE GOING INTO FREE AGENCY. 2020: ANTHONY DAVIS WILL BE IN FREE AGENCY.”

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/12/rich-paul-klutch-sports-group-lakers-pelicans-lebron-james-anthony-davis

He didn't necessarily say that he wouldn't re-sign with Boston, but the warning about losing assets is there, it's pretty obvious where he's being pushed - Paul basically compared the Lakers to marrying J-Lo:

And though reports have Pelicans owner Gayle Benson loath to do the Lakers any favors, and though many believe L.A. lacks the deftness to pry Davis away, the spin that he would be ill-served playing in purple-and-gold won’t let Paul alone.

“See, everybody wants to fabricate the facts when it’s me,” Paul says. “That’s just like saying, ‘No, A-Rod, don’t marry J-Lo. Are you out of your f---in’ mind, man?’ This is Jennifer Lopez! I mean, who would you rather me marry? The Lakers are Jennifer Lopez. You don’t want me to date Jennifer Lopez? Give me a reason I shouldn’t date J-Lo!”

And more:

Paul’s Who? Me? protestations aren’t very convincing and, in truth, he doesn’t try that hard. He claims no control over L.A.’s personnel decisions and takes umbrage at the suggestion that he’d send Davis—still, for the moment, a Pelican—into a less than ideal situation to help the man who changed his life and made him rich.

“Did you say that to David Falk? Would you say that to Arn Tellem?” Paul says of two agents who juggled vast stables of clients without charges of conflict of interest. “You’re only saying that because you feel like, ‘Well, Rich wouldn’t be in this position without LeBron,’ right? My thing is: Take LeBron off the Lakers. Are the Lakers not a great destination for an arguably top-two player that went to Kentucky and won a national championship, signed with Nike? For a team that’s had centers from George Mikan to Wilt Chamberlain to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to Shaq?

“So now, when you add LeBron, that’s what? The cherry on top. LeBron’s 34 years old. Anthony Davis is 26. So when LeBron’s done playing, the Anthony Davis trade is still rolling. What better place to do it than L.A.? If it was L.A.—I never said ‘L.A.’ But there’s no negative to that. Who gives a s--- what you’re talking about, about me trying to help LeBron out? No, I’m not. I’m trying to help Anthony Davis. Now, if helping Anthony Davis helps LeBron in the long run? So be it. But my goal is Anthony Davis.”

The full article is at https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/12/rich-paul-klutch-sports-group-lakers-pelicans-lebron-james-anthony-davis and it's well worth reading for those who haven't seen it.

It really comes down to, can we pull a Paul George and convince him to stay after he was set on going to the Lakers? In PG13's case OKC was assisted by the fact that PG13 felt dissed by the Lakers not even trying to trade for him, assuming they would get him for free, and presumably Westbrook's year-long recruitment did the rest. Can we do the same to Davis? Or will we be happy with a 1 year rental, even if he does bring us to the finals?

[Silky]

The Los Angeles Lakers are progressing toward a multi-team trade that would send New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davis to LA, Ian Begley of SNY.tv reported, citing a league source.

http://amicohoops.net/lakers-making-progress-toward-trade-for-pelicans-star-davis/

Good,

dont need or really even care about him anymore

[gift]

This "warning" is all about getting AD to the Lakers THIS YEAR. If AD doesn't get to the Lakers by next season, Paul knows that it might not happen. If he already thinks AD doesn't end up on the Lakers if it doesn't happen this offseason, that kind of tells you how much to worry about this "threat" of going into free agency. Paul knows AD might actually re-sign with the team trading for him and that's why he wants the only option to be the Lakers.

Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Your post is what doesn't make sense. Rich Paul isn't an independent or a journalist, running around out there shouting his opinions. He works for Anthony Davis. lol at the trade-at-any-cost folks who act like Paul is driving all this and not Davis.

When did all of this start?

Months ago.

It's been going on for months. Paul is just more vocal about it right now. I'd suspect because the LAL aren't making the offer NO wants.

If AD wanted to come to Boston, he'd tell Paul to shut his mouth. End of story. It's not as if AD was forced to hire him and has no say in what's transpiring. It would be idiocy to throw Tatum away in this environment.

AD hired Rich Paul in September. Prior to that Davis always said he wanted to win in New Orleans. 4 months later the circus started. You think AD was just waiting for Rich Paul?

Even if your premise is 100% correct, AD is letting Paul call the shots. AD didn't back away from Paul's comments in NO, he doubled down on them. Either way, there's very little chance of a path to AD that leads to him in Boston long term, other than the hope and prayer the teams he wants to go to run out of cap room. You can spin it any way you want, AD doesn't want to be in Boston, or the man AD is allowing to run his career for him doesn't want him in Boston.

Then why is Rich Paul so concerned with warning Boston not to trade for him? Are the Celtics now in Rich Paul's interests? He's looking out for Danny Ainge suddenly? No, he's concerned with helping Lebron this year. Otherwise he knows AD can go to Boston or wherever else and LA could keep cap space and sign him as a free agent.

Because his client wants to play for the Lakers and Knicks.  This isn't rocket science.  Anthony Davis wants to play for the Lakers and Knicks.  Davis is concerned that another team, like the Celtics, might acquire him anyway and he doesn't want that to happen.  So Davis has his agent go on the offensive to try and scare other teams away so that Davis can end up going where he wants to go.  This isn't some grand conspiracy to help Lebron, it is an agent doing exactly what his client wants him to do.

It's not a grand conspiracy. It's an agent with more forceful ambitions than the client he represents. And yeah I get it, that's part of the reason he hired him. I'm just saying, part of the reason Paul is so adamant about getting to LA this year is not about AD.

[gift]

This "warning" is all about getting AD to the Lakers THIS YEAR. If AD doesn't get to the Lakers by next season, Paul knows that it might not happen. If he already thinks AD doesn't end up on the Lakers if it doesn't happen this offseason, that kind of tells you how much to worry about this "threat" of going into free agency. Paul knows AD might actually re-sign with the team trading for him and that's why he wants the only option to be the Lakers.

Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Your post is what doesn't make sense. Rich Paul isn't an independent or a journalist, running around out there shouting his opinions. He works for Anthony Davis. lol at the trade-at-any-cost folks who act like Paul is driving all this and not Davis.

When did all of this start?

Months ago.

It's been going on for months. Paul is just more vocal about it right now. I'd suspect because the LAL aren't making the offer NO wants.

If AD wanted to come to Boston, he'd tell Paul to shut his mouth. End of story. It's not as if AD was forced to hire him and has no say in what's transpiring. It would be idiocy to throw Tatum away in this environment.

AD hired Rich Paul in September. Prior to that Davis always said he wanted to win in New Orleans. 4 months later the circus started. You think AD was just waiting for Rich Paul?

Even if your premise is 100% correct, AD is letting Paul call the shots. AD didn't back away from Paul's comments in NO, he doubled down on them. Either way, there's very little chance of a path to AD that leads to him in Boston long term, other than the hope and prayer the teams he wants to go to run out of cap room. You can spin it any way you want, AD doesn't want to be in Boston, or the man AD is allowing to run his career for him doesn't want him in Boston.

Then why is Rich Paul so concerned with warning Boston not to trade for him? Are the Celtics now in Rich Paul's interests? He's looking out for Danny Ainge suddenly? No, he's concerned with helping Lebron this year. Otherwise he knows AD can go to Boston or wherever else and LA could keep cap space and sign him as a free agent.

Why? I think that's obvious. Jayson Tatum is far and away the best asset anyone could offer, and he doesn't want a delay in getting AD to LA with Lebron only having a few years left. LA probably isn't offering up everything Griffin is asking for and Paul's trying to manipulate the situation. LA probably signs Jimmy Butler if they don't make this trade, and might lack the cap space to do it a year from now. But you'd gamble Tatum on the hopes that someone else's cap space wasn't there? That's like playing roulette with your 401k.

Regardless, AD is allowing Paul to speak for him. AD backed up what Paul was saying while he was in NO, so there's zero reason to assume he isn't doing the same now.

This is exactly my point that you said didn't make sense.

[crownontherocks]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DTP_Mario/status/1138846059952844800

Davis to boston confirmed lol

[ozgod]

Does this need to be a separate thread outside of the AD one? This article is already being discussed at length there.

I’ll let the mods decide but the article deserves its own thread IMO.

I thought it did too, it's more than just about AD, it's about the shift in power from organizations to players and how guys like Rich Paul (helped by LeBum) have spearheaded that. In a way you can't blame them for wanting to take control of their own destiny. From the article:

But as the prime facilitator of all things LeBron—whose unprecedented forays into roster assembly, franchise-hopping, and TV and film production have expanded the bounds for an elite athlete beyond recognition—Paul’s every move bristles with a uniquely cutting edge. He has become the go-to agent for the aggressively restless player. “When I’m done [playing] and I’m not around the media every day, I hope that somebody’s continuing to fight off the narrative: You’re the athlete? Can’t have power, and can’t be in control,” James says. “Because you can.”

Money used to be the primary marker of that power, but with the advent of the rookie wage scale in 1996 and ensuing restrictions on max salaries, the expression of clout—and of an agent’s skill—shifted.

“That changed the perspective,” Tellem says. “If the salaries are roughly similar, what can a player control? It’s no longer financial. Where he has his say, then, where he has some control, is in the choice of where he plays and with whom he plays.”

[celticinorlando]

Rich Paul is an idiot.

[RJ87]

Does this need to be a separate thread outside of the AD one? This article is already being discussed at length there.

I’ll let the mods decide but the article deserves its own thread IMO.

I thought it did too, it's more than just about AD, it's about the shift in power from organizations to players and how guys like Rich Paul (helped by LeBum) have spearheaded that. In a way you can't blame them for wanting to take control of their own destiny. From the article:

But as the prime facilitator of all things LeBron—whose unprecedented forays into roster assembly, franchise-hopping, and TV and film production have expanded the bounds for an elite athlete beyond recognition—Paul’s every move bristles with a uniquely cutting edge. He has become the go-to agent for the aggressively restless player. “When I’m done [playing] and I’m not around the media every day, I hope that somebody’s continuing to fight off the narrative: You’re the athlete? Can’t have power, and can’t be in control,” James says. “Because you can.”

Money used to be the primary marker of that power, but with the advent of the rookie wage scale in 1996 and ensuing restrictions on max salaries, the expression of clout—and of an agent’s skill—shifted.

“That changed the perspective,” Tellem says. “If the salaries are roughly similar, what can a player control? It’s no longer financial. Where he has his say, then, where he has some control, is in the choice of where he plays and with whom he plays.”

In that regard, yeah - the article deserves its on discussion. But it was presented as proof of why we shouldn't trade for AD and that's a discussion that's already happening at length.