Monroe Buyout / Signing with Celtics (merged threads)

[MJohnnyboy]

Question: If neither Gordon Hayward nor Demarcus Cousins had suffered major injuries this season, who would have been Greg Monroe's next team?

[Somebody]

Don't see Monroe not joining us, that 8.4 million this year would amke up whatever he "loses" by playing a few minutes left here. Unless he acts the opposite of economics and prefers later consumption without interest (which should get him into a mental hospital in Boston anyways ) he'd join us, don't see any other factors we're losing out on aside from hometown advantage

[Birdman]

Depends what he wants:
1. Playing with a contender and getting more money
2. Playing close to home and getting a lot of playing time

Its really a hard choice for him and not going judge him for which path he chose

[Erik]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table. I don't see a lot of contending teams needing him enough to send out a 1st round pick for a rental. Cavs, GSW, Raptors, and Rockets do not need him because they already have highly rated offenses. The rest of the teams have no chance of winning.

I also get the feeling that Monroe has already agreed to go to the Pelicans (due to the cost cutting move they made). I understand why this is dumb for him on all levels, but personal relationships and location may be more important than $6 million to him. Obviously it's a no-brainer to go to Boston, but I get the feeling he'll end up with the Pelicans.

Not really interested in debating why I'm wrong (because I probably am).. just putting this out here for post trade deadline heroics.

[Moranis]

Question: If neither Gordon Hayward nor Demarcus Cousins had suffered major injuries this season, who would have been Greg Monroe's next team?

Boston still might make sense for him since Boston still has a big hole in the middle (though obviously he would make a lot less money).

[kozlodoev]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

You can split the DPE to acquire multiple players with it.

[wdleehi]

The question to ask:   Is NO the best place to bet on your self in terms of resetting your value around the league?   



I also have to believe the Celtics can do a better job selling this team then they can in NO.

[Erik]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

You can split the DPE to acquire multiple players with it.

Not from my understanding. It's a 1 player exception and whatever isn't used is lost.

"The DPE works similarly, but is far more restrictive. The most important thing to note is the DPE can be used on just one player. No splitting it. No combining it with another exception or another player’s salary or cap space to take in anything more than $8.4 million. You get one shot to use it and that is it."

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/10/19/16506264/possibility-of-disabled-player-exception-for-boston-celtics-gordon-hayward-injury-replacements

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

I also get the feeling that Monroe has already agreed to go to the Pelicans (due to the cost cutting move they made). I understand why this is dumb for him on all levels, but personal relationships and location may be more important than $6 million to him. Obviously it's a no-brainer to go to Boston, but I get the feeling he'll end up with the Pelicans.

Not really interested in debating why I'm wrong (because I probably am).. just putting this out here for post trade deadline heroics.

He might have grown up in New Orleans, but is home that important to him? He did go to Georgetown for college instead of LSU or another team like that.

He wants playing time. That's the big thing. He wasn't happy when the Bucks relegated him to a bench role in the previous two seasons, and the Suns refused to use him at all. 

He just wants to be able to play basketball. I don't even think its about the money. In New Orleans, he'd likely start and play 30 minutes a game. In Boston, he would be playing 20-25 minutes a game, and his play would depend on matchups. With CBS tendency to play small, he might not get many minutes some games.

I like Baynes, but he might be the guy Ainge needs to trade for Evans in order to make this happen. That would free up more minutes for Monroe.

[A Future of Stevens]

The question to ask:  Is NO the best place to bet on your self in terms of resetting your value around the league?   



I also have to believe the Celtics can do a better job selling this team then they can in NO.

I agree with both points. I think the best thing for him would be to show he can exist in a modern offense, and contribute to a winning team. Also yeah, if he goes to NO, its not because we couldn't sell him on a fit. Its because he wants those extra 5-10 minutes a game.

[Erik]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

I also get the feeling that Monroe has already agreed to go to the Pelicans (due to the cost cutting move they made). I understand why this is dumb for him on all levels, but personal relationships and location may be more important than $6 million to him. Obviously it's a no-brainer to go to Boston, but I get the feeling he'll end up with the Pelicans.

Not really interested in debating why I'm wrong (because I probably am).. just putting this out here for post trade deadline heroics.

I like Baynes, but he might be the guy Ainge needs to trade for Evans in order to make this happen. That would free up more minutes for Monroe.

Yeah, agreed. I was thinking that if he gets both Evans and Monroe, Baynes is the guy to trade for Evans. Monroe is an upgrade at everything but defense (specifically block %). It's worth noting though that Baynes has improved +1.0 in DBPM (defensive box per minute) to 2.1 since joining Boston. Monroe is currently 1.4. You've gotta assume that he'll get the +1.0 - +2.0 spike that everyone gets for playing under Brad (because it's pretty much across the board with new acquisitions) and will surpass Baynes on defense as well.

Baynes just has no playing time anymore with Monroe.

[kozlodoev]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

You can split the DPE to acquire multiple players with it.

Not from my understanding. It's a 1 player exception and whatever isn't used is lost.

"The DPE works similarly, but is far more restrictive. The most important thing to note is the DPE can be used on just one player. No splitting it. No combining it with another exception or another player’s salary or cap space to take in anything more than $8.4 million. You get one shot to use it and that is it."

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/10/19/16506264/possibility-of-disabled-player-exception-for-boston-celtics-gordon-hayward-injury-replacements

Ah, you're actually right. Well, that makes more sense then.

[kozlodoev]

Baynes just has no playing time anymore with Monroe.

Baynes has playing time just fine, and we need insurance. I don't think it's a good idea to only carry 3 serviceable bigs, and it's better if Horford and Theis didn't have to be the biggest player on the court for long stretches.

[Valid]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

I also get the feeling that Monroe has already agreed to go to the Pelicans (due to the cost cutting move they made). I understand why this is dumb for him on all levels, but personal relationships and location may be more important than $6 million to him. Obviously it's a no-brainer to go to Boston, but I get the feeling he'll end up with the Pelicans.

Not really interested in debating why I'm wrong (because I probably am).. just putting this out here for post trade deadline heroics.

I like Baynes, but he might be the guy Ainge needs to trade for Evans in order to make this happen. That would free up more minutes for Monroe.

Yeah, agreed. I was thinking that if he gets both Evans and Monroe, Baynes is the guy to trade for Evans. Monroe is an upgrade at everything but defense (specifically block %). It's worth noting though that Baynes has improved +1.0 in DBPM (defensive box per minute) to 2.1 since joining Boston. Monroe is currently 1.4. You've gotta assume that he'll get the +1.0 - +2.0 spike that everyone gets for playing under Brad (because it's pretty much across the board with new acquisitions) and will surpass Baynes on defense as well.

Baynes just has no playing time anymore with Monroe.

I don't agree with this. Baynes and Monroe are two entirely different players. One is a defensive specialist without much of an offensive repertoire; the other is a back-to-the-basket scorer who is a less-than-stellar defender (he isn't quick enough to defend stretch bigs and, despite his size, he actually isn't very strong and can get pushed around by tougher 4s and 5s).

Now, Baynes' playing time would certainly be cut if we were to sign Monroe, but it doesn't mean he would be out of the rotation entirely.

[Erik]

I get the feeling that Memphis has already agreed to send the Celtics Tyreke Evans for our 2018 1st (why they're sitting him out), but Danny is making them wait to see if they can use the DPE on someone like Monroe. From everything I've read, he doesn't want to use the DPE on Tyreke and leave $5 mil of it on the table.

I also get the feeling that Monroe has already agreed to go to the Pelicans (due to the cost cutting move they made). I understand why this is dumb for him on all levels, but personal relationships and location may be more important than $6 million to him. Obviously it's a no-brainer to go to Boston, but I get the feeling he'll end up with the Pelicans.

Not really interested in debating why I'm wrong (because I probably am).. just putting this out here for post trade deadline heroics.

I like Baynes, but he might be the guy Ainge needs to trade for Evans in order to make this happen. That would free up more minutes for Monroe.

Yeah, agreed. I was thinking that if he gets both Evans and Monroe, Baynes is the guy to trade for Evans. Monroe is an upgrade at everything but defense (specifically block %). It's worth noting though that Baynes has improved +1.0 in DBPM (defensive box per minute) to 2.1 since joining Boston. Monroe is currently 1.4. You've gotta assume that he'll get the +1.0 - +2.0 spike that everyone gets for playing under Brad (because it's pretty much across the board with new acquisitions) and will surpass Baynes on defense as well.

Baynes just has no playing time anymore with Monroe.

I don't agree with this. Baynes and Monroe are two entirely different players. One is a defensive specialist without much of an offensive repertoire; the other is a back-to-the-basket scorer who is a less-than-stellar defender.

Now, Baynes' playing time would certainly be cut if we were to sign Monroe, but it doesn't mean he would be out of the rotation entirely.

Defensive specialist? Well, he is #50 in DBPM, so he's been playing pretty good defense. However, last year he was #106 behind the likes of "defensive specialists" such as... Greg Monroe (#84).* Any chance he's just playing pretty good defense because of the system, and Greg Monroe could be playing similarly well defense in our system? If that's the case, with Monroe's offensive upside, Aron Baynes will be odd man out, because Theis' minutes are untouchable because he actually is a defensive specialist with a "not too bad offensive game." He's ranked #10 in DBPM if you remove the unqualified low minute players with names you've never heard like Georges Niang from Utah with a whopping 1 minute played (total, not per game), PER of 54.2 and DBPM of 46.3. And based on VORP, Theis is a top 100 player.

Furthermore, when you account for playoff basketball where our starters will be off minutes restriction, Aron Baynes would most likely be entirely removed from the rotation.

*https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_advanced.html

Baynes just has no playing time anymore with Monroe.

Baynes has playing time just fine, and we need insurance. I don't think it's a good idea to only carry 3 serviceable bigs, and it's better if Horford and Theis didn't have to be the biggest player on the court for long stretches.

3 rotational centers is plenty for the playoffs. OKC doesn't even have one noteworthy backup center. 6'8" Jerami Grant is basically their backup center.