Monroe Buyout / Signing with Celtics (merged threads)

[fairweatherfan]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

"Seem" to be, eh?  I'm going to run with this and assume it's a done deal.    Thanks!

[MattyIce]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

we agree that wink wink deals have happened in the past though right?

[saltlover]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

we agree that wink wink deals have happened in the past though right?

Don’t see one here, nor the need.  Both sides know that Monroe could be offered a deal at up to $10 million next season, and up to 4 years, $42 million total, with the ability to also send that contract in a sign-and-trade if one is worked out.  New Orleans can at most start at $8.6 million next year, and more likely $5.3 million.  A sign-and-trade option would start at $2.5 million.

[Sophomore]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

we agree that wink wink deals have happened in the past though right?

 I’m not sure what that means. Would you take a wink from an NBA team or an agent and count on it in any way? I wouldn’t. If the player gets a better offer he isn’t going to sign. If the team doesn’t like what the player does in their uniform, it’s not going to sign him the next year. A wink is worthless. 

[saltlover]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

we agree that wink wink deals have happened in the past though right?

 I’m not sure what that means. Would you take a wink from an NBA team or an agent and count on it in any way? I wouldn’t. If the player gets a better offer he isn’t going to sign. If the team doesn’t like what the player does in their uniform, it’s not going to sign him the next year. A wink is worthless.

Oh, they almost assuredly happen.  The most obvious one to me was two years ago.  Beno Udrih was traded to the Heat in November as they tried to reduce salary (Chalmers was dealt to Memphis).  A couple months later, he got injured and would miss the rest of the year.  After the trade deadline passed, he agreed to have his contract bought out by just enough money so that the Heat would fall under the luxury tax.  Bear in mind, he was out for the year, and had no prior relationship with the Heat or with Riley that would explain his magnanimity but for the prior three months.  The next summer, he signed a new, fully guaranteed deal with the Heat in August, who waived him at the end of training camp.  (He was then claimed by the Pistons, for reasons that only Stan Van Gundy knows).

Wink-wink if I’ve ever seen it.

http://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/heats-buyout-beno-udrih-teams-upset/story?id=37293931

[CelticsElite]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

we agree that wink wink deals have happened in the past though right?

 I’m not sure what that means. Would you take a wink from an NBA team or an agent and count on it in any way? I wouldn’t. If the player gets a better offer he isn’t going to sign. If the team doesn’t like what the player does in their uniform, it’s not going to sign him the next year. A wink is worthless.

Oh, they almost assuredly happen.  The most obvious one to me was two years ago.  Beno Udrih was traded to the Heat in November as they tried to reduce salary (Chalmers was dealt to Memphis).  A couple months later, he got injured and would miss the rest of the year.  After the trade deadline passed, he agreed to have his contract bought out by just enough money so that the Heat would fall under the luxury tax.  Bear in mind, he was out for the year, and had no prior relationship with the Heat or with Riley that would explain his magnanimity but for the prior three months.  The next summer, he signed a new, fully guaranteed deal with the Heat in August, who waived him at the end of training camp.  (He was then claimed by the Pistons, for reasons that only Stan Van Gundy knows).

Wink-wink if I’ve ever seen it.

http://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/heats-buyout-beno-udrih-teams-upset/story?id=37293931

do you think it was an under the table wink wink deal when AK-47 signed with the nets after the Russian billionaire guy bought the team? I remember a lot of people at the time who couldn’t believe this guy signed for almost nothing

[TA9]

Let's not start celebrating too early. Rumors have it that he's giving New Orleans a hard look:

Steve Bulpett: Celtics will definitely have interest in Greg Monroe, but key will be what’s most important to him. Of logical suitors, Celts can offer most ($8.4 million DPE) and good chance at making Finals, but hearing he could be looking at greater opportunity for minutes in New Orleans.

Makes sense. If he does well then he can get another big contract when free agency starts this summer.

[mctyson]

Let's not start celebrating too early. Rumors have it that he's giving New Orleans a hard look:

Steve Bulpett: Celtics will definitely have interest in Greg Monroe, but key will be what’s most important to him. Of logical suitors, Celts can offer most ($8.4 million DPE) and good chance at making Finals, but hearing he could be looking at greater opportunity for minutes in New Orleans.

Makes sense. If he does well then he can get another big contract when free agency starts this summer.

I don't know about this - Monroe is a pretty known quantity at this point.  While I think he should go where he will get the most action on a competitive team (likely NO), it may also be smarter for him to get as much $ right now and Boston can offer the most.

[A Future of Stevens]

Does anyone know how the timeline of a buyout works? Is it similar to waivers where we won't hear anything for atleast 24 since the time of the cut? Or could it happen immediately?

[saltlover]

Odds that if Monroe's interested in our extra $ Danny will try to use it as leverage to get Monroe to sign one of his classic 1 + team option deals?

DPE can only be a rest of season deal, no option or anything else.  So the odds would seem to be nil.

we agree that wink wink deals have happened in the past though right?

 I’m not sure what that means. Would you take a wink from an NBA team or an agent and count on it in any way? I wouldn’t. If the player gets a better offer he isn’t going to sign. If the team doesn’t like what the player does in their uniform, it’s not going to sign him the next year. A wink is worthless.

Oh, they almost assuredly happen.  The most obvious one to me was two years ago.  Beno Udrih was traded to the Heat in November as they tried to reduce salary (Chalmers was dealt to Memphis).  A couple months later, he got injured and would miss the rest of the year.  After the trade deadline passed, he agreed to have his contract bought out by just enough money so that the Heat would fall under the luxury tax.  Bear in mind, he was out for the year, and had no prior relationship with the Heat or with Riley that would explain his magnanimity but for the prior three months.  The next summer, he signed a new, fully guaranteed deal with the Heat in August, who waived him at the end of training camp.  (He was then claimed by the Pistons, for reasons that only Stan Van Gundy knows).

Wink-wink if I’ve ever seen it.

http://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/heats-buyout-beno-udrih-teams-upset/story?id=37293931

do you think it was an under the table wink wink deal when AK-47 signed with the nets after the Russian billionaire guy bought the team? I remember a lot of people at the time who couldn’t believe this guy signed for almost nothing

Might have been, but I’m less sure.  Kirilenko signed for 2 years, $6 million.  He played 45 games his first year and averaged 5 points a game, and then 7 games his next year before being salary dumped.  It might have been that the market saw he wasn’t any good any more — for his production in Brooklyn he was overpaid and not a bargain.

[saltlover]

Does anyone know how the timeline of a buyout works? Is it similar to waivers where we won't hear anything for atleast 24 since the time of the cut? Or could it happen immediately?

Yeah, he’s on waivers currently.  Technically a team could claim him, although practically speaking no one has enough cap room and only Chicago is close.  Still, he can’t sign with anyone until he clears tomorrow, although he can start talking with teams now.

[hpantazo]

Let's not start celebrating too early. Rumors have it that he's giving New Orleans a hard look:

Steve Bulpett: Celtics will definitely have interest in Greg Monroe, but key will be what’s most important to him. Of logical suitors, Celts can offer most ($8.4 million DPE) and good chance at making Finals, but hearing he could be looking at greater opportunity for minutes in New Orleans.

Makes sense. If he does well then he can get another big contract when free agency starts this summer.

Well now that NO traded for Mirotic though, Monroe's potential playing time there just took a big hit, as well as the chances that they would resign him.

[saltlover]

Let's not start celebrating too early. Rumors have it that he's giving New Orleans a hard look:

Steve Bulpett: Celtics will definitely have interest in Greg Monroe, but key will be what’s most important to him. Of logical suitors, Celts can offer most ($8.4 million DPE) and good chance at making Finals, but hearing he could be looking at greater opportunity for minutes in New Orleans.

Makes sense. If he does well then he can get another big contract when free agency starts this summer.

Well now that NO traded for Mirotic though, Monroe's potential playing time there just took a big hit, as well as the chances that they would resign him.

The first part is somewhat true, but they like playing AD at PF more (more accurately AD prefers it strongly) and Mirotic is more of a PF than a C, and even with Mirotic they still only have two true bigs who are healthy.  So minutes are still largely there.

As far as resigning him — they can only do that (for much more than the minimum or so) if Boogie walks, and that was true both pre- and post-trade.  As it stands, they were and still are projected to be a tax team if Boogie signs at or near the max, and would only have the big MLE if he left, whether they had Mirotic or Asik.

[A Future of Stevens]

Does anyone know how the timeline of a buyout works? Is it similar to waivers where we won't hear anything for atleast 24 since the time of the cut? Or could it happen immediately?

Yeah, he’s on waivers currently.  Technically a team could claim him, although practically speaking no one has enough cap room and only Chicago is close.  Still, he can’t sign with anyone until he clears tomorrow, although he can start talking with teams now.

Thank you Salt. Perfect explanation, TP.

[keevsnick]

So do you guys think we offer the full 8.4 million? I mean he probably isn't worth that for half a season but what else we gonna do with the dpe?