Author Topic: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder  (Read 14055 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #90 on: November 04, 2017, 01:45:42 PM »

Offline CelticD

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1201
  • Tommy Points: 140
I figured Semi would be a good replacement for Crowder. I don't know about "eclipse" though. Crowder was just the ideal 3 & D player. It's not like he had a vast skill set that's irreplaceable.

Over 70% of Crowder's field goals came assisted, so he couldn't be relied upon to make his own shot, but his spot ups were extremely efficient.

Semi already seems to have the D part, down, offensively he just needs to move without the ball and get good looks from the perimeter, and cash in when he's open.

Crowder isn't some unique talent. I wish he was still on the C's but whatever, Semi is more than capable of filling the void.

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #91 on: November 04, 2017, 01:48:23 PM »

Offline footey

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16039
  • Tommy Points: 1837
Look, Jae was a nice story. He overachieved, improved a lot. Etc etc.

But.

He has less utility on this current team than Semi. Crowder would be competing for minutes with Brown, Tatum, Morris and, when he returns, Hayward. And frankly I would take all 4 of those guys ahead of him. Most of us would.

Semi’s value is his ability to guard really big guys, and still switch off to cover guards. Crowder had that reputation, but the reality was that he could not handle bigs. Most of us acknowledge that.


Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #92 on: November 04, 2017, 02:08:12 PM »

Offline rollie mass

  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4270
  • Tommy Points: 1233
Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

A voice of reason. To add to that in the hustle stats over 101 minutes he has 10 rebounds, 1 steal, and 0 blocks.

The OP though has this unusual spin on things. If Semi hits a few shots, he loses his mind. If he has a stinker, it changes to Semi only being a rookie. The OP has all his bases covered and no longer even makes a post on that scrub Nader. Now the moment he hits a few shots, like clockwork the thread will emerge on Nader being some sort of celestial being. Take off the green goggles, buddy.

(EDDIE 20)---Claims "semi sucks","No Motor"" No Hustle" "No Game Hops"-Claims my judgement has no stock due to living in England that has produced the likes of "John Amechi" as a pro. When the reality was, i was mentored and coached by Rollie Massimino a legend and famous for his help, pressure, man to man defense.And i was his Captain
-Then Eddie 20 brags about playing"d-2",  I was recruited by U Conn when Toby Kimball was there, he was drafted by Celtics but i entered Northeastern Program instead just after they had two seniors drafted into NBA, one to Celtics-
-He is full of negative hyperbole -Eddie objects to my praise of new players and scrubs, After all  they are celtics and he objects that i then move on to the next group when they get let go.

He fancies himself as some board vigilante and has stalked his way back to my beginning posts on Zeller,Brandon Wright,Green and everyone,s favorite GiGi Then there was Dwight Powell

Unsolicited he posted on My Messages, even though he was asked to never again post on my messages or i would report him to moderator-He continued in an attempt to intimidate and embarrass me and how he was applauded for" calling me out"-
Why because i am a upbeat fan or called Green a Stilletto  in Brads hands and loved his athleticism or reported on Nader stats with Red Claws while we were stuck with Young.
                   So Eddie 20 eat crow.
These are just some of the quotes from Eddie 20 and his attacks from My Messages
I don't drink and am not on any meds. Twice now you have claimed that, along with i gave you an apology a complete outright lie
i an not up for debating with a close minded idiot trying to feed his ego by diminishing celtics players












« Last Edit: November 04, 2017, 02:36:35 PM by rollie mass »

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #93 on: November 04, 2017, 02:55:49 PM »

Offline Jiri Welsch

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3027
  • Tommy Points: 355
We love you Rollie. I subscribe to the “any press is good press” motto, so you must be doing something right getting all that attention!

We need to love the scrubs or else 82 games becomes insurmountable!

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #94 on: November 04, 2017, 02:58:51 PM »

Offline nickagneta

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 48121
  • Tommy Points: 8800
  • President of Jaylen Brown Fan Club
Enough with the personal attacks!!!

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2017, 03:30:24 PM »

Offline mctyson

  • Rajon Rondo
  • *****
  • Posts: 5087
  • Tommy Points: 372
Realistically if it's Game 7, closing seconds and we're up one, and someone has to defend Bron straight up and I'm only allowed to pick between Semi and Crowder I'm picking Semi.

I've seen the Crowder result enough times I'd rather go with the mysterious stranger who I saw defend Giannis last week.

Now if it's the other way around and I need to score against Bron I'd go with Semi

If we were talking 2015-2016 Jae maybe not but 2017-2018 Jae is not the same player.

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2017, 03:39:45 PM »

Offline Eja117

  • NCE
  • Bill Sharman
  • *******************
  • Posts: 19274
  • Tommy Points: 1254
It's a little funny that if Jae didn't like people in Boston wanting Hayward he's now in Cleveland where I bet LeBron doesn't even say hello to him. He's gonna need a sports therapist once he realizes Bron only hangs out with the cool kids.

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2017, 05:30:55 PM »

Offline jambr380

  • K.C. Jones
  • *************
  • Posts: 13769
  • Tommy Points: 2061
  • Sometimes there's no sane reason for optimism
It's a little funny that if Jae didn't like people in Boston wanting Hayward he's now in Cleveland where I bet LeBron doesn't even say hello to him. He's gonna need a sports therapist once he realizes Bron only hangs out with the cool kids.

But didn't you hear? SI ranked Crowder 53rd in the NBA and ESPN has him ranked at #38 (ahead of Horford) - he's popular now!!

But, seriously, I liked Crowder while he was here and he had no say in being shipped to Cleveland. Until he rips Boston and its fans, I am going to appreciate him going all out for our franchise, while at the same time hoping our new rookie has a chance at becoming his successor.

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2017, 06:30:57 PM »

Offline ImShakHeIsShaq

  • NCE
  • Tiny Archibald
  • *******
  • Posts: 7739
  • Tommy Points: 804
It's a little funny that if Jae didn't like people in Boston wanting Hayward he's now in Cleveland where I bet LeBron doesn't even say hello to him. He's gonna need a sports therapist once he realizes Bron only hangs out with the cool kids.

But didn't you hear? SI ranked Crowder 53rd in the NBA and ESPN has him ranked at #38 (ahead of Horford) - he's popular now!!

But, seriously, I liked Crowder while he was here and he had no say in being shipped to Cleveland. Until he rips Boston and its fans, I am going to appreciate him going all out for our franchise, while at the same time hoping our new rookie has a chance at becoming his successor.


Why does everyone keep saying crowder had no say about being traded? I know you said cavs specifically and you're right about him not being able to decide where, but of the 3 Jae was the only one who wanted out. He made it known he didn't like that they added quite a few guys at his position and was vocal about what his role would be with all those new guys. He said himself that he questioned them about those things. Complaining about Hayward was only a small part of it IMO. I'm not sure if he said the exact words but by his own words he made it known how he felt about the changes. I haven't seen him speak other than a couple times about leaving, so I may have missed it, but I have only heard AB and IT4 say they wanted to stay.
It takes me 3hrs to get to Miami and 1hr to get to Orlando... but I *SPIT* on their NBA teams! "Bless God and bless the (Celts)"-Lady GaGa (she said gays but she really meant Celts)

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2017, 06:43:00 PM »

Offline Eja117

  • NCE
  • Bill Sharman
  • *******************
  • Posts: 19274
  • Tommy Points: 1254
It's a little funny that if Jae didn't like people in Boston wanting Hayward he's now in Cleveland where I bet LeBron doesn't even say hello to him. He's gonna need a sports therapist once he realizes Bron only hangs out with the cool kids.

But didn't you hear? SI ranked Crowder 53rd in the NBA and ESPN has him ranked at #38 (ahead of Horford) - he's popular now!!

But, seriously, I liked Crowder while he was here and he had no say in being shipped to Cleveland. Until he rips Boston and its fans, I am going to appreciate him going all out for our franchise, while at the same time hoping our new rookie has a chance at becoming his successor.
I'm not saying the whole Crowder era was a disaster or that he didn't do some good things here. I sorta have more positive feelings than negative towards him. But I am glad his time here is over, I think we upgraded, and I think he's a bit of a cry baby and phony tough

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2017, 12:44:30 PM »

Offline ThePaintedArea

  • Jayson Tatum
  • Posts: 763
  • Tommy Points: 111
From all the watching of the topic title I am starting to view the "eclipse" as Semi "the Eclipse" Ojeleye.
I just hope he is the celestial body and not the rare comet like phenomenon mentioned in the word meaning.

Eclipse verb
an obscuring of the light from one celestial body by the passage of another between it and the observer or between it and its source of illumination.

Eclipse noun
(of a celestial body) obscure the light from or to (another celestial body).
"Jupiter was eclipsed by the Moon"

...the other, sort of a "Nomen est Omen" fate, would be that he is just the Semi, half of what he could have become.

Nomen est omen - why Marcus Smart has a high B-Ball IQ?

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2017, 03:13:07 PM »

Offline dysgenic

  • Brad Stevens
  • Posts: 208
  • Tommy Points: 27
Semi so far this year:

Fg%: 45.8
3ptFg%: 42.9
Ft%: 80

And there is no doubt he is a plus defender.

I know it's early, but for a rookie drafted in the 2nd round he is a home run.

Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #102 on: November 07, 2017, 03:30:05 PM »

Offline ThePaintedArea

  • Jayson Tatum
  • Posts: 763
  • Tommy Points: 111
Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

Yes, it’s wise to keep some perspective, and stats get us grounded in reality.

Update:
Ten games;
eFG% .646;
.429 3Pt%

I’d suggest that points per game for Semi are not terribly useful; his minutes have fluctuated from DNP-CD to 22, which is from G-League fodder to 7th/8th man level.  More importantly - he’s not in there to score points, and only has a peripheral role in the offense; his usage rate is 8.1%! (having said that, he’s fulfilling his role to a T).

FG% in his case is almost a perversely deceptive stat, given that he’s only even shot three two-pointers - and 21 three-pointers.  eFG% gives you a much better view of what he’s contributing with his shooting.  If you add in his FT effectiveness, at a stratospheric .668 he leads the team in True Shooting %.

I think that we should retire DRtg. It controls for tempo, but it doesn’t control for who else is on the floor. You’re better off using one of the flavors of adjusted plus-minus, which do.

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

A voice of reason.

I agree, a Voice of Reason; but louder here is the Chorus of Small Sample Size.

You’ll have to agree that the slightly-larger sample size of ten games tells a different story. Whether or not a .668 TS% is closer to the “true” Semi is less important than the inadequacy of the data.

If I may say so, you’ve got to look at him play basketball.  He’s got a great feel for the game, for spacing, quick as a cat, but plays within himself - and those gorgeous shot mechanics! The strength to stay under bigger players and the quickness to stay in front of Dejounte are only as useful as a player can anticipate and act decisively - but he’s got those, too.

To add to that in the hustle stats over 101 minutes he has 10 rebounds, 1 steal, and 0 blocks.

Another Voice of Reason, and you raise a couple of important issues. If you’re questioning his effort, though, I don’t think a lack of effort is what you see.  No, he gambles or freelances seldom, plays within himself.

The lack of rebounding so far is a concern.  In a month or so we can start looking at 82Games’ team rebounding stats while he’s on the floor. Overall the team has been very impressive on the D board as well as the O board, a result that most of the pundits didn’t predict… fwiw.

  By the way, I’m going to get on my hobby horse again and argue for separating offensive from defensive rebounding; and given Semi’s job, offensive rebounding is not likely to happen a lot, even if he has a capability for it. AND defensive rebounding is not really a “hustle” stat - it’s a necessity and everyone has to make sure that it happens while they’re on the floor.

Looks to me like he’s pretty reliable for boxing out, and though he does not particularly have good length, he has great hops and ought to be getting more defensive boards. To be continued!

And having said that he's been down on the floor on three separate occasions to secure the ball for the squad since you wrote this.

The OP though has this unusual spin on things. If Semi hits a few shots, he loses his mind. If he has a stinker, it changes to Semi only being a rookie. The OP has all his bases covered and no longer even makes a post on that scrub Nader. Now the moment he hits a few shots, like clockwork the thread will emerge on Nader being some sort of celestial being. Take off the green goggles, buddy.

I think that you underestimate brother Rollie, and mischaracterize him here. Looks to me like he’s got a good feel for players and what they’re actually doing out on the floor.

Crowder was a starter that was a plus defender who averaged 14 PPG, got 5+ RPG and scored efficiently, especially last year with a TS% of 61%. This all while playing 30MPG.

Simply put, Ojeleye will never achieve this type of success with the Celtics because he is going to have Brown, Hayward, Morris and Tatum in front of him.

If Semi is ever going to eclipse Crowder as a player, it will be for some other team. It won't be here.

You raise a crucial point.  Fortunately for Boston, he’s got a four-year deal at bargain money, so Ainge can afford to keep him around whether or not he can stay in the rotation. (By the same token, of course, it makes him easy to trade.)

Morris’ deal is two years at more than three times Ojeleye’s money; I think that Summer 2019 might be a dividing line for Semi’s career, whether with Boston or elsewhere.

While on the whole I’d agree that his minutes are affected by Brown, Hayward, Morris, and Tatum, his remarkable ability to guard up or down allows his coach to pair him with any of those four, and gives him an extremely useful versatility.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 03:39:24 PM by ThePaintedArea »

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #103 on: November 07, 2017, 03:41:01 PM »

Offline rollie mass

  • Antoine Walker
  • ****
  • Posts: 4270
  • Tommy Points: 1233
Semi is getting crunch time with his defense and he is hitting his  3 pointers
-Every game he seems to get more comfortable  -How many rookies can defend 5 positions,how many rookie get put on Lebron,Yaniss ,George or Carmello and Porzingis in their first 10 games-How many rookies are hitting threes in 4th quarter-
He has a defined role now, play defense and spread the floor knocking down threes.

Re: Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #104 on: November 07, 2017, 03:58:34 PM »

Offline Tr1boy

  • Paul Pierce
  • ***************************
  • Posts: 27260
  • Tommy Points: 867
I want him to unleash and do this. Who else?

https://youtu.be/RnVxAv3aIoc