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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2017, 09:40:24 AM »

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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2017, 09:41:21 AM »

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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 09:42:05 AM »

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Danny found the perfect Crowder replacement

I cannot argue that. 
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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 09:44:52 AM »

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I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.
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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 09:50:19 AM »

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I don't think Semi has been all that good, a lot of bad rookie mistakes have offset most of his nice plays and until last night he really hadn't been hitting threes.

Him along with Larkin are the players I want Morris to take minutes from. (Less 3 guard lineups) The team really believes in his potential though so I'm all for them being positive and giving him spot minute chances.

Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2017, 09:51:13 AM »

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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2017, 09:52:39 AM »

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I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.
Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2017, 09:52:54 AM »

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Well, according to draftexpress their measurements are almost identical.

Semi
Height w/o Shoes 6'5 ¼"
Height w/ Shoes 6'6 ¾"
Weight 241
Wingspan 6'9 ¾"
Standing reach 8'6"

Crowder
Height w/o Shoes 6'4 ¾"
Height w/ Shoes 6'6 ½"
Weight 241
Wingspan 6'9 ¼"
Standing reach 8'6 ¾"

Semi is a bit taller (which isn't necessarily a bad thing for Crowder cause he is still tall/strong enough to play the SF position while at the same time it's easier for him to switch on guards).

Seems like Semi is more athletic as well.
(Semi)
no step vert 35''
max vert 40.5''

(Crowder)
no step vert 31''
max vert 34.5''

Having said all that, imo Crowder is nothing more than an average starter. The reason he was sought-after around the league was his amazing contract. If Crowder were paid let's say 14+ million a year, no one would be talking about him. Remember DeMarre Carroll in his Atlanta days? He got paid 14.5 mill per year in 2015 and no one is talking about him ever since.

In that regard, the next Crowder would have to be a 3+D SF outperforming his contract. Semi is a 3+D SF on the rookie scale till 2021, so yeah he may very well become the next Crowder. If I had to choose from players not on the rookie scale, I'd go with Tony Snell. Last summer he singed a 4-year $44,000,000 deal with the Bucks (although final year is a player option). He is shooting the lights out (51.5 3P% on 4.1 shots per game, 54.7 FG%), he guards multiple positions and he even has a 2.3/0.8 assist to turnover ratio. Obviously, it's still early in the season, but it looks like he has improved a lot compared to last year (even more so compared to his Bulls days).
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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2017, 09:56:20 AM »

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I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.
Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

he might even eclipse crowder as a better ALL AROUND offensive player eventually even if that is not saying much. lol
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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2017, 10:00:23 AM »

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I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.
Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

he might even eclipse crowder as a better ALL AROUND offensive player eventually even if that is not saying much. lol
I think people get down on Crowder's offensive game way too much. Low usage and low turnover players who have such efficient shot profiles are very valuable players.

Especially when you have a good coach emphasising those traits.

Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2017, 10:10:51 AM »

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I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.
Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

he might even eclipse crowder as a better ALL AROUND offensive player eventually even if that is not saying much. lol
I think people get down on Crowder's offensive game way too much. Low usage and low turnover players who have such efficient shot profiles are very valuable players.

Especially when you have a good coach emphasising those traits.

Honestly, I think Crowder could have shot 90% from 3 for us and there would still be people that only talked about the 10% he missed.  His biggest shortcoming for us was that he wasn't a star, and played for a team that has extremely high expectations from our SFs (due to having Pierce and facing Lebron for so long)
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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2017, 10:14:15 AM »

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Agreed Jim, tp!

We needed overall talent upgrades and given we had allstar play at the PG and Big Man positions the forward position was one of the glaring places to get it.

I do think he's a player who's much much better in a system team, both on offense and defense. Hence some of his early struggles in Cleveland as their system has been hugely disrupted and Lue hasn't gotten anything in its place yet.

Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2017, 10:29:33 AM »

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Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2017, 10:38:22 AM »

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Crowder isn't even on our team anymore and he still gets hate!. We got him for like 1/3 of Rajon Rondo's expiring contract. He took the ultimate team-friendly deal to stay and developed into a legit starter on a #1 seed. Then Danny trades him and C's fans are saying this second-round rookie is better than him. Give the man some respect.

Re: Will Semmi "eclipse" Crowder
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2017, 10:59:43 AM »

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Crowder isn't even on our team anymore and he still gets hate!. We got him for like 1/3 of Rajon Rondo's expiring contract. He took the ultimate team-friendly deal to stay and developed into a legit starter on a #1 seed. Then Danny trades him and C's fans are saying this second-round rookie is better than him. Give the man some respect.

There are no posts in this thread where anyone has said that Semi is better than Crowder. If you're going to get indignant at least try not to falsify the slights.

Jae was valuable because he was a semi-average starter on a below-market, long-term contract. However, he really annoyed people last year via his multiple Twitter controversies and that he seemed to take a major step back in his defensive effort. He just didn't seem to put forth the same effort. I think some of us were relieved when he was traded because given his often outspoken nature he could have easily turned into a locker room cancer.

I view Morris as Crowder's replacement, not Semi. I also think that Semi may develop to be as good or even better than Crowder in the long run. Seems like we got the best of both worlds - a cheap replacement now and an even cheaper long-term prospect.

PS. Crowder was also 2nd rounder pick.
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