Will Semi "eclipse" Crowder

[Eddie20]

Death, taxes, and Rollie making another thread on a player he likes to call "Semmi".

[tonydelk]

I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.

Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

he might even eclipse crowder as a better ALL AROUND offensive player eventually even if that is not saying much. lol

I think people get down on Crowder's offensive game way too much. Low usage and low turnover players who have such efficient shot profiles are very valuable players.

Especially when you have a good coach emphasising those traits.

Honestly, I think Crowder could have shot 90% from 3 for us and there would still be people that only talked about the 10% he missed.  His biggest shortcoming for us was that he wasn't a star, and played for a team that has extremely high expectations from our SFs (due to having Pierce and facing Lebron for so long)

I live Crowder, especially his leadership.  His biggest shortcoming was his inconsistent play in the playoffs.  He'd disappear and at times look like he forgot how to play D.  His effort on the boards wasn't always there either.

Now his leadership was huge and needed.  I love Jae but I see more potential in Semi then I do Jae.  Better athlete, better D potential and a smoother shot.  I have zero expectations for Semi this year.  I will be extremely interested to see what he looks like in year 2 with a full year of NBA experience and a full off season of NBA training.   I am extremely excited about his potential and feel he is a great Jae replacement.  If you want to talk about disappointment the let's talk Yabu.

[footey]

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

When deciding who is better for this team today, I think the better way to look at is this:

If Danny got a call from CLE, asking them if we would take Crowder for Semi, do you think he would accept it?  Assuming salary matches, etc.  I think he would pass, because I think he feels that Semi is more athletic, defends bigs better, and will eventually match or surpass Crowder offensively. 

[BitterJim]

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

When deciding who is better for this team today, I think the better way to look at is this:

If Danny got a call from CLE, asking them if we would take Crowder for Semi, do you think he would accept it?  Assuming salary matches, etc.  I think he would pass, because I think he feels that Semi is more athletic, defends bigs better, and will eventually match or surpass Crowder offensively.

Danny would take that and laugh all the way to the bank.  A starting level player on a great contract vs. a second rounder (on the chance that they *might* eventually be as good)? Come on.

[Fafnir]

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

When deciding who is better for this team today, I think the better way to look at is this:

If Danny got a call from CLE, asking them if we would take Crowder for Semi, do you think he would accept it?  Assuming salary matches, etc.  I think he would pass, because I think he feels that Semi is more athletic, defends bigs better, and will eventually match or surpass Crowder offensively.

Danny would take that and laugh all the way to the bank.  A starting level player on a great contract vs. a second rounder (on the chance that they *might* eventually be as good)? Come on.

Of course Danny would then immediately flip Crowder for something else.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.

Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

he might even eclipse crowder as a better ALL AROUND offensive player eventually even if that is not saying much. lol

I think people get down on Crowder's offensive game way too much. Low usage and low turnover players who have such efficient shot profiles are very valuable players.

Especially when you have a good coach emphasising those traits.

Honestly, I think Crowder could have shot 90% from 3 for us and there would still be people that only talked about the 10% he missed.  His biggest shortcoming for us was that he wasn't a star, and played for a team that has extremely high expectations from our SFs (due to having Pierce and facing Lebron for so long)

now that is pure silliness.

[BitterJim]

I don't know.  I don't think anyone expected Crowder to become the player that he did, and the same is the case with Semi.  It's not easy to get to that level, but Semi (like Crowder) definitely has the drive.  He definitely has a chance to be, and the right coach/team situation for it.

It's far from a given, though.

Yeah remember Crowder had 2 years in Dallas to develop his game. Semi could get there as he has the physical tools to play that way in the NBA. But getting there is a long way off even if all goes well.

he might even eclipse crowder as a better ALL AROUND offensive player eventually even if that is not saying much. lol

I think people get down on Crowder's offensive game way too much. Low usage and low turnover players who have such efficient shot profiles are very valuable players.

Especially when you have a good coach emphasising those traits.

Honestly, I think Crowder could have shot 90% from 3 for us and there would still be people that only talked about the 10% he missed.  His biggest shortcoming for us was that he wasn't a star, and played for a team that has extremely high expectations from our SFs (due to having Pierce and facing Lebron for so long)

now that is pure silliness.

Insightful.

[rollie mass]

Death, taxes, and Rollie making another thread on a player he likes to call "Semmi".

Seems since you think semi sucks,doesn't have motor or hustle-it must seem like death to your ego and tax your reality
As to Semi i hope there will be years of posting on his growth-
How was eating crow for breakfast
You ought to wait for more games before attacking our young ones-
After all the luxury tax means player management

[Jon]

I doubt it. And even if he does, I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to tell. Crowder was a starter. With Brown and Tayum coming into their own and Hayward back next year, Semi will never get the minutes or shots that Crowder got.

[footey]

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

When deciding who is better for this team today, I think the better way to look at is this:

If Danny got a call from CLE, asking them if we would take Crowder for Semi, do you think he would accept it?  Assuming salary matches, etc.  I think he would pass, because I think he feels that Semi is more athletic, defends bigs better, and will eventually match or surpass Crowder offensively.

Danny would take that and laugh all the way to the bank.  A starting level player on a great contract vs. a second rounder (on the chance that they *might* eventually be as good)? Come on.

I think you are living in last year, BJ. 

[ManUp]

I'm really excited about Semi.

I really do see the potential for a bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic Jae Crowder. Danny was genius to sign him to a 4 year contract. If Semi can learn to get baskets the same way Crowder does I think he will be able to excel. If he can improve his overall team defense, and rebounding he's going to be in the league for a while. I believe his shooting is there, he just needs to build his confidence and he will be a great finisher in transition due to his athleticism.

[biggs]

Yes

Crowder is a female dog

[BitterJim]

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

When deciding who is better for this team today, I think the better way to look at is this:

If Danny got a call from CLE, asking them if we would take Crowder for Semi, do you think he would accept it?  Assuming salary matches, etc.  I think he would pass, because I think he feels that Semi is more athletic, defends bigs better, and will eventually match or surpass Crowder offensively.

Danny would take that and laugh all the way to the bank.  A starting level player on a great contract vs. a second rounder (on the chance that they *might* eventually be as good)? Come on.

I think you are living in last year, BJ.

If by "living in last year", you mean "not dismissing everything from last year based on 8 games" then, yeah, I guess I am.

Every year there's players that look really great or really awful for the first few weeks and then return to normal.  I don't expect Crowder to keep shooting 28% on 3s any more than I expect Evan Fournier to continue shooting them at 56%.  I'm not gonna throw out a multi year history of a player being starting-caliber just because he has a bad couple of weeks (unless there are injury/age reasons, but that's not the case here)

[rollie mass]

Crowder ,Marcus and Avery made some unbelievable comebacks with their defense. Nobody is trying to rewrite what has happened but looking to what could be.That was a truly fun fantastic chapter in reaching banner 18.
Crowder wasn't going to mesh with Hayward and part of acquiring Kyrie.But it is now in hands of the kids and what remains of last years team
Semi is younger,more athletic ,a better three point shooter to start with and is a disciplined hard worker.A good teammate.
His lateral ,vertical and sprint had people calling him best athlete in draft.
He is still a young rookie playing against the best of the NBA.

[Jiri Welsch]

Seven games, 3.0 points, 33.3% FG%, 31.3% 3PT%, worst DRtg of any rotation player.

Crowder was an above-average starter last year. Let’s keep some perspective.

When deciding who is better for this team today, I think the better way to look at is this:

If Danny got a call from CLE, asking them if we would take Crowder for Semi, do you think he would accept it?  Assuming salary matches, etc.  I think he would pass, because I think he feels that Semi is more athletic, defends bigs better, and will eventually match or surpass Crowder offensively.

Danny would take that and laugh all the way to the bank.  A starting level player on a great contract vs. a second rounder (on the chance that they *might* eventually be as good)? Come on.

I think you are living in last year, BJ.

If by "living in last year", you mean "not dismissing everything from last year based on 8 games" then, yeah, I guess I am.

Every year there's players that look really great or really awful for the first few weeks and then return to normal.  I don't expect Crowder to keep shooting 28% on 3s any more than I expect Evan Fournier to continue shooting them at 56%.  I'm not gonna throw out a multi year history of a player being starting-caliber just because he has a bad couple of weeks (unless there are injury/age reasons, but that's not the case here)

I agree with you BitterJim, that it’s foolhardy to believe Crowder has somehow dropped off the map with his quality of play. He will more than likely  average out to career numbers if he logs 30 more games this season.

My problem with Crowder is exactly that he WAS a starter for us and was so limited offensively. He legitimately struggled to take people off the dribble or finish at the hoop. The one exception was his “running start” move when he’d immediately break to the basket after catching a pass on the wing. Semi isn’t better than Crowder, but our expectations of him as a 9-10 player off the bench are exceeded. Compare that with Crowder, who was a starter but also such a limited player that people often overlooked his good skills.