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[Donoghus]

i seen on nba store there selling irving boston jerseys

If the trade gets nixed, those jerseys will be super hot in the hoopster community.

[Joyride]

i seen on nba store there selling irving boston jerseys

If the trade gets nixed, those jerseys will be super hot in the hoopster community.

Is it me or do the new jerseys online look like T-shirts?

[Moranis]

A few days ago I was reading that the Nets pick wasn't that special, and would most likely be around #7.

Now, it's perhaps the best single asset in the NBA.  It's hands down better than Phoenix's pick, for instance.

Which is it? The value shouldn't change based upon whether Cleveland or Boston has the pick.

The reported trade with PHX was Bledsoe, Bender, and the Heat pick (not PHX pick).

And, yeah, if the trade goes through, we will hope for the worst possible outcome regarding the BKN pick; if it is voided, well, it is going to be #1...obviously 

Edit: TPs to Faf and Moranis for beating me on the 1st point.

I credit my posting it without googling anything to try and confirm what was reported. 

Man looking over the various deals offered for Irving, not great for the most part. I wonder what the final offers would be if the C's deal fall through we clearly stepped up and offered a good package compared to those.

I also wonder what a team like Phoenix might have agreed to had the Cavs entered serious discussions.  That doesn't seem to have happened because of a dividing line on Jackson, but I'm pretty confident that Phoenix wouldn't have drawn a line in the sand on Bledsoe, Bender, Miami 1st for Irving.  I suspect Phoenix would have included other assets and maybe even would have taken on Shumpert.  Something like Bledsoe, Bender, Warren, Ullis, Miami 1st for Irving, Shumpert.  That would have worked on the salary end and would have saved the Cavs a bunch of money in addition to adding in some other young and/or useful players. 

Still not better than what they got from Boston, assuming Thomas is healthy by the playoffs, but not a terrible trade either. 

[Donoghus]

i seen on nba store there selling irving boston jerseys

If the trade gets nixed, those jerseys will be super hot in the hoopster community.

Is it me or do the new jerseys online look like T-shirts?

The white one I saw definitely looks like a tank top t-shirt.

[CelticsElite]

[celticsclay]

A few days ago I was reading that the Nets pick wasn't that special, and would most likely be around #7.

Now, it's perhaps the best single asset in the NBA.  It's hands down better than Phoenix's pick, for instance.

Which is it? The value shouldn't change based upon whether Cleveland or Boston has the pick.

The reported trade with PHX was Bledsoe, Bender, and the Heat pick (not PHX pick).

And, yeah, if the trade goes through, we will hope for the worst possible outcome regarding the BKN pick; if it is voided, well, it is going to be #1...obviously 

Edit: TPs to Faf and Moranis for beating me on the 1st point.

I credit my posting it without googling anything to try and confirm what was reported. 

Man looking over the various deals offered for Irving, not great for the most part. I wonder what the final offers would be if the C's deal fall through we clearly stepped up and offered a good package compared to those.

I also wonder what a team like Phoenix might have agreed to had the Cavs entered serious discussions.  That doesn't seem to have happened because of a dividing line on Jackson, but I'm pretty confident that Phoenix wouldn't have drawn a line in the sand on Bledsoe, Bender, Miami 1st for Irving.  I suspect Phoenix would have included other assets and maybe even would have taken on Shumpert.  Something like Bledsoe, Bender, Warren, Ullis, Miami 1st for Irving, Shumpert.  That would have worked on the salary end and would have saved the Cavs a bunch of money in addition to adding in some other young and/or useful players. 

Still not better than what they got from Boston, assuming Thomas is healthy by the playoffs, but not a terrible trade either.

You realize you have as many theories for ways to improve the cavs this offseason as the rest of the board combined?

[Dino Pitino]

A few days ago I was reading that the Nets pick wasn't that special, and would most likely be around #7.

Now, it's perhaps the best single asset in the NBA.  It's hands down better than Phoenix's pick, for instance.

Which is it? The value shouldn't change based upon whether Cleveland or Boston has the pick.

I'm not sure the value changed, but the pick from Phoenix that was actually offered was Miami's 1st not Phoenix's.  If Phoenix had offered their own 1st plus Bledsoe and Bender, that trade might have already been completed because even with Irving that team isn't making the playoffs and Bender still has to be considered at least a decent level of prospect himself.

Right.  We're the only team that reportedly offered a high draft pick, but we're not the only team that has one.

For many, it seems like the value of the BRK pick changes depending upon whether we've traded it or not. It's just funny to watch. Players get better when Danny acquires them, and worse when Danny trades them.

The Nets pick is still special as a trade asset even if one projects it as a #5-7 pick because it's outsourced, receiving Kyrie alone would knock most teams' picks out of that range.

[mctyson]

Forsberg- "The NBA should be monitoring this situation with interest too, because the possibility of a team being encouraged by its trade partner to increase its offerings in the aftermath could be a slippery slope, setting a potentially uncomfortable precedent for future dealings."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20489627/nba-why-boston-celtics-sweeten-deal-amid-stalemate-cleveland-cavaliers

This is exactly right and hugely important.

[Roy H.]

A few days ago I was reading that the Nets pick wasn't that special, and would most likely be around #7.

Now, it's perhaps the best single asset in the NBA.  It's hands down better than Phoenix's pick, for instance.

Which is it? The value shouldn't change based upon whether Cleveland or Boston has the pick.

I'm not sure the value changed, but the pick from Phoenix that was actually offered was Miami's 1st not Phoenix's.  If Phoenix had offered their own 1st plus Bledsoe and Bender, that trade might have already been completed because even with Irving that team isn't making the playoffs and Bender still has to be considered at least a decent level of prospect himself.

Right.  We're the only team that reportedly offered a high draft pick, but we're not the only team that has one.

For many, it seems like the value of the BRK pick changes depending upon whether we've traded it or not. It's just funny to watch. Players get better when Danny acquires them, and worse when Danny trades them.

The Nets pick is still special as a trade asset even if one projects it as a #5-7 pick because it's outsourced, receiving Kyrie alone would knock most teams' picks out of that range.

I'm not so sure. I don't think adding Kyrie to the Suns gets them out of the deep lottery.  If you told me I could have the Suns pick (with Kyrie) or the #6 pick, I'd take the Suns pick.

[cman88]

Theres no guarantee that kyrie would waive his trade kicker to go to the suns and cavs would have to take back more salary. I doubt he would want to play for a middling team like the suns when he had the opportunity to compete with the celtics

[greece66]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/basketball?iso=20170831T10&p0=43&msg=Celtics%2FCavs+Trade+Deadline&font=cursive

[Tr1boy]

A few days ago I was reading that the Nets pick wasn't that special, and would most likely be around #7.

Now, it's perhaps the best single asset in the NBA.  It's hands down better than Phoenix's pick, for instance.

Which is it? The value shouldn't change based upon whether Cleveland or Boston has the pick.

I'm not sure the value changed, but the pick from Phoenix that was actually offered was Miami's 1st not Phoenix's.  If Phoenix had offered their own 1st plus Bledsoe and Bender, that trade might have already been completed because even with Irving that team isn't making the playoffs and Bender still has to be considered at least a decent level of prospect himself.

Right.  We're the only team that reportedly offered a high draft pick, but we're not the only team that has one.

For many, it seems like the value of the BRK pick changes depending upon whether we've traded it or not. It's just funny to watch. Players get better when Danny acquires them, and worse when Danny trades them.

which other team with potential high picks, offer it for Kyrie (and his 2 year contract?)

Phoenix?  they acquire Kyrie,  that pick is likely no longer in the top 10.   Booker and Kyrie would be a tough backcourt to handle

76ers have no interest etc

any team that acquire Kyrie will become better

So this is why the Celts have a big adv (Nets don't benefit by adding Kyrie)

[smokeablount]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/basketball?iso=20170831T10&p0=43&msg=Celtics%2FCavs+Trade+Deadline&font=cursive

I thought the deadline was Wednesday at 10am unless both sides agree to extend it by a day?

[CelticsElite]

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/28/report-cavaliers-celtics-face-wednesday-deadline-on-kyrie-irving-trade/

Report: Cavaliers, Celtics face Wednesday deadline on Kyrie Irving trade

A Cavs source said the two sides need to reach a conclusion by Wednesday evening or mutually agree to extend the deadline. Though the Cavs could void the trade based on Thomas’ injury, sources still expect a deal to get done.


"The teams could easily delay the deadline, but if the Celtics are truly drawing a line in the sand with Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown or any other first-round pick, they could stick to Wednesday evening. Of course, that might be more of the posturing we’ve seen from both sides.

If it comes to it, the Cavs could always void the trade and still negotiate with Boston on a revised deal. But who’s to say the Celtics would even leave the original offer on the table?

Wednesday is a soft deadline, but a deadline nonetheless. Those are always helpful in finding resolution, though obviously not as much as hard deadlines."


another report said the teams havent even spoken to each other yet. that first call will be real interesting and direct where this will all go

murphy / boston herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/08/murphy_cavs_have_not_contacted_celtics_about_isaiah_thomas_concerns

Celtics, Cavs Haven't Been In Contact On Amended Trade


The Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics have not been in touch since reports surfaced more trade compensation would be needed to complete their trade of Kyrie Irving for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn Nets' 2018 first round pick.

Cleveland began to seek additional compensation after examining Thomas, who is recovering from a hip injury.

The sides have until Thursday to void the deal, agree upon an amended trade or extend the deadline.

The Celtics don't have a contingency plan in place on how to handle the stalemate.

Boston feels like they were transparent with Koby Altman when a trade agreement was reached about the timeline of when Thomas can return.

The Celtics refused to trade either Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown during initial talks with the Cavaliers and they're unlikely to include them now

[j804]

This is a nightmare for the players involved and organizations. Do you guys really think they'll extend this? That'd be terrible another week of drama.