Paul George Traded To OKC

[Endless Paradise]

This tells me the following things in no particular order.

1. Boston wasn't offering much

2. A reason Boston wasn't offering much was they had no assurance PG would resign

3. OKC had cap room and was concerned (quite rightly) that they had no ability to get free agents

4. OKC is idiotic. This pretty much seals it. At one point they had Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, and Harden. Now they have Westbrook, Steve Adams, and PG for a whole year.

5. OKC is desperate. VO and Sabonis for a year of PG? Are you kidding me?

6. PG really wants to go to LA. Like really bad.

7. Boston is holding the line. No top 5 picks for stuff that isn't off the charts awesome. Off. The. Charts.

The fact that you seem to think paying $84 million over the next few years to Victor Oladipo and retaining an alright prospect in Sabonis is more preferable to a year of Paul George is mindboggling. If Paul George leaves, Westbrook probably leaves, too, but now they don't have Oladipo's contract on their books during their inevitable rebuild.

With those guys they maybe coulda been a slooowwwllyyy building team. Now they'll be nothing. Only they won't even be nothing this year tanking or anything. They'll be nothing a year from now.
They were a team with an MVP and a fine young guard with him and a fine young front court.

Now they're nothing.

Fine young guard? Sure. You don't pay $21 million over the next four years for "fine."

OKC was a capped out sixth seed with bad contracts (and an MVP) that got gentleman-swept out of the playoffs in the first round because that "fine young guard" (among the rest of the non-Westbrook team) couldn't be trusted to keep leads when said MVP went to the bench.

But sure, they'll have nothing. They totally traded away Steven Adams and can't trade PG or Westbrook by the trade deadline this season. There's nothing they can do moving forward. They should've just sat on their laurels as a mediocre team in the West and try to sell Westbrook on that being worth sticking around for.

[CelticsElite]

Silver lining: there's a real chance we get two top-5 picks next year.

that's a 24carat gold lining.

Btw


@ChrisMannixYS

Per one NBA team exec: "If the Lakers think Paul George is just going to walk away from a winner...I wouldn't count on it."

[max215]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?  How is this different than trading them Avery and them having to cash out for him in a year? At least Victor is younger and healthier.

You seriously thing Oladipo is a good deal at $21 mil?  Bradley is better player to me.  If our choice here in Boston today (out of our current salary cap context) was keep Bradley at 24mil and VO at 21 mil, I take Bradley hands down.

I'd take VO hands down. Good defender. Better scorer. Far younger.

Oladipo is one year younger than Bradley.

btw.....if you had Bradley for 3 more years..(but make him almost two years younger...just wave a magic want at him)..would you offer Bradley and Sabonis (on a rookie deal) for one year of PG? Because I wouldn't.

On a 4/84 contract? In a heartbeat.

[jpotter33]

Silver lining: there's a real chance we get two top-5 picks next year.

Yeah, that is being a bit overlooked now. Especially in a loaded West, I still see them as a bottom-3 team or so in the league.

[MBunge]

I wonder what the rush to move George was. Wouldn't continuing to hold out for the best deal make sense? Even if Pritchard waited until the deadline when someone would need a player to put them over the top, Pritchard would have had to have gotten a better deal than what he did.

Why the rush? Wouldn't a contigency deal with Ainge where he waited until after Hayward made his decision make more sense than taking what he did? If Boston landed Hayward they most likely would have included the Lakers pick...I hope...to ensure a run at a title in 2018.

Don't get the timing of the trade. Why the rush? Does anyone have any Indy info on why George had to be traded so soon? I wonder if offers from other teams had contingency deadlines, like, do this before free agency or else the deal is off the table.

I hate DMC but he went for something Danny could have beaten. Same for Butler and now George too. The lack of movement on Ainge's oart is starting to p!ss me off.

If somebody tells you for weeks that their best offer is on the table (Crowder plus crappy firsts), at some point it's fair to believe him.

Again, where does anyone say that the offer was ONLY Crowder and some firsts?

Mike

[Eja117]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

I'm not haha.  The deal was a complete win for OKC.  Indiana pulled the string too soon.  They could have had that same deal in 3 days from now, and had the chance to explore other options, including boston.

The idea that Oladipo + Sabonis is a better deal than even Crowder and Bradley is just crazy to me.

Poll 29 GM's (not including Pritchard the dimwit) and I'd bet my life on 25 of them taking Crowder over Oladipo when contracts are considered. Like, do people not realize that Oladipo is old or something? Maybe they don't because he was drafted so recently, but he's only a year younger than Crowder.

Two years younger.

Crowder is a 14/6/2 guys on 46/40/81 shooting splits, making $6.7, $7.3 and $7.8 million respectively for the next 3 yeras.

Oladipo is 16/4/2 on 44/36/75, and he costs $21 million for the next four.

Is being two years younger really that big of a difference?

So next year when VO is the man in Indiana and Crowder can't get off the bench what do you suppose the stats will be then?

[nickagneta]

I wonder what the rush to move George was. Wouldn't continuing to hold out for the best deal make sense? Even if Pritchard waited until the deadline when someone would need a player to put them over the top, Pritchard would have had to have gotten a better deal than what he did.

Why the rush? Wouldn't a contigency deal with Ainge where he waited until after Hayward made his decision make more sense than taking what he did? If Boston landed Hayward they most likely would have included the Lakers pick...I hope...to ensure a run at a title in 2018.

Don't get the timing of the trade. Why the rush? Does anyone have any Indy info on why George had to be traded so soon? I wonder if offers from other teams had contingency deadlines, like, do this before free agency or else the deal is off the table.

I hate DMC but he went for something Danny could have beaten. Same for Butler and now George too. The lack of movement on Ainge's oart is starting to p!ss me off.

If somebody tells you for weeks that their best offer is on the table (Crowder plus crappy firsts), at some point it's fair to believe him.

Sure, maybe,if that is what happened. And if it is, I have to believe that Ainge heard through George's agent or other people that George was truly a rental. If you're assuming Ainge gave a final unmovable offer to Indy, I think its safe to assume Ainge had some info on George's future plans.

But you know me, Roy. I hate youth when it comes to winning championships. I would have rather had Butler or George, even for a one year chance at a ring, than a teenager in 2019 or 2020 that might not pan out for 3-4 years after.

I am starting to get royally miffed with Ainge. If he doesn't land Hayward, I am off the In Danny We Trust bandwagon.

[max215]

Thanks for the tweets reporting the "theft" of Paul George by @okcthunder.

Our investigative findings: totally legal & very savvy.

https://twitter.com/OKCPD/status/880984935473053696

[Eja117]

People seem to think that 21mill a year in this league gets you an all star or something

[Yoki_IsTheName]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

I'm not haha.  The deal was a complete win for OKC.  Indiana pulled the string too soon.  They could have had that same deal in 3 days from now, and had the chance to explore other options, including boston.

The idea that Oladipo + Sabonis is a better deal than even Crowder and Bradley is just crazy to me.

Poll 29 GM's (not including Pritchard the dimwit) and I'd bet my life on 25 of them taking Crowder over Oladipo when contracts are considered. Like, do people not realize that Oladipo is old or something? Maybe they don't because he was drafted so recently, but he's only a year younger than Crowder.

Two years younger.

Crowder is a 14/6/2 guys on 46/40/81 shooting splits, making $6.7, $7.3 and $7.8 million respectively for the next 3 yeras.

Oladipo is 16/4/2 on 44/36/75, and he costs $21 million for the next four.

Is being two years younger really that big of a difference?

So next year when VO is the man in Indiana and Crowder can't get off the bench what do you suppose the stats will be then?

The man in Indiana?

He can't even be the man in freaking Orlando. What evidence do we have that he can be THAT guy?

[MBunge]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

I'm not haha.  The deal was a complete win for OKC.  Indiana pulled the string too soon.  They could have had that same deal in 3 days from now, and had the chance to explore other options, including boston.

The idea that Oladipo + Sabonis is a better deal than even Crowder and Bradley is just crazy to me.

Poll 29 GM's (not including Pritchard the dimwit) and I'd bet my life on 25 of them taking Crowder over Oladipo when contracts are considered. Like, do people not realize that Oladipo is old or something? Maybe they don't because he was drafted so recently, but he's only a year younger than Crowder.

Two years younger.

Crowder is a 14/6/2 guys on 46/40/81 shooting splits, making $6.7, $7.3 and $7.8 million respectively for the next 3 yeras.

Oladipo is 16/4/2 on 44/36/75, and he costs $21 million for the next four.

Is being two years younger really that big of a difference?

So next year when VO is the man in Indiana and Crowder can't get off the bench what do you suppose the stats will be then?

Yes, because being "the man" on a 30 win team is a sure sign of greatness.

Mike

[Eja117]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?  How is this different than trading them Avery and them having to cash out for him in a year? At least Victor is younger and healthier.

You seriously thing Oladipo is a good deal at $21 mil?  Bradley is better player to me.  If our choice here in Boston today (out of our current salary cap context) was keep Bradley at 24mil and VO at 21 mil, I take Bradley hands down.

I'd take VO hands down. Good defender. Better scorer. Far younger.

Oladipo is one year younger than Bradley.

btw.....if you had Bradley for 3 more years..(but make him almost two years younger...just wave a magic want at him)..would you offer Bradley and Sabonis (on a rookie deal) for one year of PG? Because I wouldn't.

On a 4/84 contract? In a heartbeat.

Ok, but that's why my team would be better than yours. Unless your plan is to tank, but not even this year.

[Moranis]

People seem to think that 21mill a year in this league gets you an all star or something

yeah that is like 60% of the 10 year max and is 4 million less than the under 7 year max

[max215]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?  How is this different than trading them Avery and them having to cash out for him in a year? At least Victor is younger and healthier.

You seriously thing Oladipo is a good deal at $21 mil?  Bradley is better player to me.  If our choice here in Boston today (out of our current salary cap context) was keep Bradley at 24mil and VO at 21 mil, I take Bradley hands down.

I'd take VO hands down. Good defender. Better scorer. Far younger.

Oladipo is one year younger than Bradley.

btw.....if you had Bradley for 3 more years..(but make him almost two years younger...just wave a magic want at him)..would you offer Bradley and Sabonis (on a rookie deal) for one year of PG? Because I wouldn't.

On a 4/84 contract? In a heartbeat.

Ok, but that's why my team would be better than yours. Unless your plan is to tank, but not even this year.

Because you would blow your entire cap on 5 players of Avery Bradley's caliber? Sounds like a surefire championship to me.

[max215]

Silver lining: there's a real chance we get two top-5 picks next year.

Yeah, that is being a bit overlooked now. Especially in a loaded West, I still see them as a bottom-3 team or so in the league.

They won't be good. There are obviously a few more tankers in the East now, but the Lakers definitely won't be good.