Paul George Traded To OKC

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OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

I'm not haha.  The deal was a complete win for OKC.  Indiana pulled the string too soon.  They could have had that same deal in 3 days from now, and had the chance to explore other options, including boston.

The idea that Oladipo + Sabonis is a better deal than even Crowder and Bradley is just crazy to me. 

[Eja117]

This tells me the following things in no particular order.

1. Boston wasn't offering much

2. A reason Boston wasn't offering much was they had no assurance PG would resign

3. OKC had cap room and was concerned (quite rightly) that they had no ability to get free agents

4. OKC is idiotic. This pretty much seals it. At one point they had Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, and Harden. Now they have Westbrook, Steve Adams, and PG for a whole year.

5. OKC is desperate. VO and Sabonis for a year of PG? Are you kidding me?

6. PG really wants to go to LA. Like really bad.

7. Boston is holding the line. No top 5 picks for stuff that isn't off the charts awesome. Off. The. Charts.

[MBunge]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?

IT'S NOT MARKET VALUE.

It's 20% of the cap.  For Victor Oladipo.  If he's worth $21 million a year, what does Bradley get?  $30 mil?

Mike

[Eja117]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?

IT'S NOT MARKET VALUE.

It's 20% of the cap.  For Victor Oladipo.  If he's worth $21 million a year, what does Bradley get?  $30 mil?

Mike

I'd say if Evan Turner is getting 17 it wouldn't shock me if Bradley gets 23 or 24

[Endless Paradise]

This tells me the following things in no particular order.

1. Boston wasn't offering much

2. A reason Boston wasn't offering much was they had no assurance PG would resign

3. OKC had cap room and was concerned (quite rightly) that they had no ability to get free agents

4. OKC is idiotic. This pretty much seals it. At one point they had Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, and Harden. Now they have Westbrook, Steve Adams, and PG for a whole year.

5. OKC is desperate. VO and Sabonis for a year of PG? Are you kidding me?

6. PG really wants to go to LA. Like really bad.

7. Boston is holding the line. No top 5 picks for stuff that isn't off the charts awesome. Off. The. Charts.

The fact that you seem to think paying $84 million over the next few years to Victor Oladipo and retaining an alright prospect in Sabonis is more preferable to a year of Paul George is mindboggling. If Paul George leaves, Westbrook probably leaves, too, but now they don't have Oladipo's contract on their books during their inevitable rebuild.

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DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?  How is this different than trading them Avery and them having to cash out for him in a year? At least Victor is younger and healthier.

You seriously thing Oladipo is a good deal at $21 mil?  Bradley is better player to me.  If our choice here in Boston today (out of our current salary cap context) was keep Bradley at 24mil and VO at 21 mil, I take Bradley hands down.

[MBunge]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

When Joe Ingles is getting offered $15 - $17 million, $21 million for Oladipo is reasonable.

If every one else jumps off a bridge, you would too?

Mike

Do you understand how markets work?

When Bradley is making max money next year, Oladipo will look like a bargain.

I'd someone gives Bradley max money, they will regret it before the first year of that new contract is done.  You sound like the GM for Portland, who is now desperate to get out from under the stupid deals he just signed last year.

Mike

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DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?

IT'S NOT MARKET VALUE.

It's 20% of the cap.  For Victor Oladipo.  If he's worth $21 million a year, what does Bradley get?  $30 mil?

Mike

I'd say if Evan Turner is getting 17 it wouldn't shock me if Bradley gets 23 or 24

Well Bradley will be worth the 24mil to some teams.  If we didn't have IT, he would be worth it to us.

[LilRip]

Honestly an IT/Horford/PG13/Hayward lineup would be unlikely to win a championship, and would be absurdly expensive to keep together next year.

Aside from the 2004 Pistons, what was the last team to win an NBA championship without a top-10 player?

We might have just dodged a major bullet.

I think you could make the case that Paul George is a top 10 player

Maybe.

But since the 1980's every title team was led by someone better than him except for maybe the 2004 Pistons.

If he's our best player it's highly unlikely we win a championship.

This is the cold, hard reality of the NBA.

The vast majority of championship teams are led by all-time great players like LeBron, MJ, Russell, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem etc.

So were those guys all time greats before they won a championship? Or did they win a championship, and we're then considered all-time greats?

Where does Wade land? Kawhi? Paul Pierce?

How about up and coming/current ringless stars like Giannis? Anthony Davis? Harden? Westbrook?

Nah, you can usually tell who the true blue-chip players are.

Harden and Westbrook are both very overrated. I've been saying that for years. Davis is great but plays for one of the most inept organizations in pro sports. I give him a pass, and I'd trade the farm for him. Giannis is so young it is hard to tell what he will become.

Pierce had KG, who was arguably a top-5 player at the time. I love PP, but he wouldn't have won without KG, who was the better player.

Wade had Shaq, LeBron, and, most importantly, David Stern.

And are you seriously gonna compare PG13 to Bird/Kareem/MJ etc? He isn't close to that caliber. Those guys CHANGED THE LEAGUE when they came in.

And apparently most of the NBA agrees about George, because a good chunk of the league could have beaten OKC's offer.

George is an all-star, but he's not an all-time player.

Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot. But I'll be very surprised if he's ever the best player on a championship team.

I wasn't comparing PG to MJ, etc. I just don't buy the whole "you need an all time great to win a ring" narrative. PG may not be in the strata of Bird/Magic in terms of changing the league, but IMO, if he won a ring here, he'd then be considered to be an all-time great. It's not crazy to think he could have an MVP-type impact IMO, especially given how he's performed in the past.

I bring up Pierce because neither Pierce nor KG could've won it without the other. And I don't think Pierce was considered an all-timer before he won a ring. An all-star, yes, but not, all-time. Shaq was clearly past his prime in Miami, and Duncan was clearly past his prime when he won his last ring. Wade and Kawhi both carried those teams. Were they considered all-time greats at the time? Or did their reputation suddenly boom after that first ring?

One of my fave examples is TMac. I really think if TMac stayed healthy, and he and Kobe had been switched (aka TMac played with Shaq), I really think the narrative would've been different on his career. Currently, I don't think he's considered as one of the all-time greats, but if he played next to Shaq and won 3 rings, I think he would've been.

[max215]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

I'm not haha.  The deal was a complete win for OKC.  Indiana pulled the string too soon.  They could have had that same deal in 3 days from now, and had the chance to explore other options, including boston.

The idea that Oladipo + Sabonis is a better deal than even Crowder and Bradley is just crazy to me.

Poll 29 GM's (not including Pritchard the dimwit) and I'd bet my life on 25 of them taking Crowder over Oladipo when contracts are considered. Like, do people not realize that Oladipo is old or something? Maybe they don't because he was drafted so recently, but he's only a year younger than Crowder.

[colincb]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

It's a brutal deal for Indiana. Oladipo is getting paid $21M per year for the next 3 years and had a 13.6 PER last year and poor defensive numbers. Maybe Pritchard's an idiot because this deal doesn't make any sense otherwise unless Danny didn't want to make a deal. This is a salary dump for OKC with Sabonis attached.

[nickagneta]

I wonder what the rush to move George was. Wouldn't continuing to hold out for the best deal make sense? Even if Pritchard waited until the deadline when someone would need a player to put them over the top, Pritchard would have had to have gotten a better deal than what he did.

Why the rush? Wouldn't a contigency deal with Ainge where he waited until after Hayward made his decision make more sense than taking what he did? If Boston landed Hayward they most likely would have included the Lakers pick...I hope...to ensure a run at a title in 2018.

Don't get the timing of the trade. Why the rush? Does anyone have any Indy info on why George had to be traded so soon? I wonder if offers from other teams had contingency deadlines, like, do this before free agency or else the deal is off the table.

I hate DMC but he went for something Danny could have beaten. Same for Butler and now George too. The lack of movement on Ainge's oart is starting to p!ss me off.

[Eja117]

This tells me the following things in no particular order.

1. Boston wasn't offering much

2. A reason Boston wasn't offering much was they had no assurance PG would resign

3. OKC had cap room and was concerned (quite rightly) that they had no ability to get free agents

4. OKC is idiotic. This pretty much seals it. At one point they had Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, and Harden. Now they have Westbrook, Steve Adams, and PG for a whole year.

5. OKC is desperate. VO and Sabonis for a year of PG? Are you kidding me?

6. PG really wants to go to LA. Like really bad.

7. Boston is holding the line. No top 5 picks for stuff that isn't off the charts awesome. Off. The. Charts.

The fact that you seem to think paying $84 million over the next few years to Victor Oladipo and retaining an alright prospect in Sabonis is more preferable to a year of Paul George is mindboggling. If Paul George leaves, Westbrook probably leaves, too, but now they don't have Oladipo's contract on their books during their inevitable rebuild.

With those guys they maybe coulda been a slooowwwllyyy building team. Now they'll be nothing. Only they won't even be nothing this year tanking or anything. They'll be nothing a year from now.
They were a team with an MVP and a fine young guard with him and a fine young front court.

Now they're nothing.

[Chief Macho]

Ainge offered them the first pick in the draft and three other firsts at the deadline apparently.  Indiana fans must want to kill themselves

[jambr380]

Totally lame... but you can't blame Ainge. I agree this almost seems like a 'spite' trade against the Cs.

Hopefully we still get Hayward, or at least Griffin, and we can be happy that George didn't go to the Lakers and screw up that pick.

There are still other options out there with AB, Crowder, and picks...hopefully Ainge can find a sane gm to deal with (and for more years than George).