Paul George Traded To OKC

[chambers]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

Really? Because there would be more pressure on Ainge to get the superteam completed if Hayward had signed here first.
The cap plan for Boston was to sign Hayward first, then trade for PG.
Why not wait 2 days? OKC isn't renegging a deal where they dump Oladipo's 21 million contract and all they have to include is Sabonis.

Horrible trade for the Pacers.

What stopped Danny from making a contingent offer? If he was serious about George, he would have offered more than Crowder and non-lotto picks.

Oladipo is better than Crowder. It's not irrational to prefer Sabonis over the Celtics or Clippers pick. If Danny wanted George, he should have been willing to part with a legit asset.

You're getting hung up on your idea that the best and final offer was Crowder and some peanuts when you (and us) have no idea what the final offer would have been.

My question is, why not wait to see who gets Hayward in free agency and then deal from that position vs pre free agency?

The OKC offer isn't going anywhere.
I'm not saying Ainge is not at fault, but surely as the Indiana GM you'd understand that Boston must sign Hayward first before trading for PG13 from a cap perspective.
Even if Hayward doesn't sign with the C's, then the C's can trade for PG13 from a different cap viewpoint.

Poor management on Indiana's part.

[blink]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

I was just thinking the same thing.  Maybe the pacers were never serious about sending PG13 to Boston.  They wanted him out of the east, and they didn't want another superteam built in the east.  It could be as simple as that.

The DA bashing is pretty silly when we have no idea exactly what DA was offering, and why Indy didn't wait until we found out if we got GH.

[MBunge]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

[RJ87]

Do you want a player, George, that doesn't want to play for your team and quits on his own team with a year left on his contract?

Did he quit on his team? The way he played in the playoffs suggest otherwise.

I didn't love the way he handled the situation with Indy, but you can't blast Kevin Durant for leaving OKC without warning and then blast Paul for being upfront a year out 

[Roy H.]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

Really? Because there would be more pressure on Ainge to get the superteam completed if Hayward had signed here first.
The cap plan for Boston was to sign Hayward first, then trade for PG.
Why not wait 2 days? OKC isn't renegging a deal where they dump Oladipo's 21 million contract and all they have to include is Sabonis.

Horrible trade for the Pacers.

What stopped Danny from making a contingent offer? If he was serious about George, he would have offered more than Crowder and non-lotto picks.

Oladipo is better than Crowder. It's not irrational to prefer Sabonis over the Celtics or Clippers pick. If Danny wanted George, he should have been willing to part with a legit asset.

You're getting hung up on your idea that the best and final offer was Crowder and some peanuts when you (and us) have no idea what the final offer would have been.

My question is, why not wait to see who gets Hayward in free agency and then deal from that position vs pre free agency?

The OKC offer isn't going anywhere.
I'm not saying Ainge is not at fault, but surely as the Indiana GM you'd understand that Boston must sign Hayward first before trading for PG13 from a cap perspective.
Even if Hayward doesn't sign with the C's, then the C's can trade for PG13 from a different cap viewpoint.

Poor management on Indiana's part.

Poor management by Boston.

Why not get the trade agreed to, and use that as a selling point to Hayward? Why not make your "best" offer now?

[knuckleballer]

I am LOLing

The green bikini boys were convinced Indy would want our week offer "nobody can do better!"

Wrong again, green team!

Hope y'all like Crowder and Bradley, cuz they are your guys AGAIN lol

Bikini boys?  Stop fantasizing.

[kraidstar]

Honestly an IT/Horford/PG13/Hayward lineup would be unlikely to win a championship, and would be absurdly expensive to keep together next year.

Aside from the 2004 Pistons, what was the last team to win an NBA championship without a top-10 player?

We might have just dodged a major bullet.

I think you could make the case that Paul George is a top 10 player

Maybe.

But since the 1980's every title team was led by someone better than him except for maybe the 2004 Pistons.

If he's our best player it's highly unlikely we win a championship.

This is the cold, hard reality of the NBA.

The vast majority of championship teams are led by all-time great players like LeBron, MJ, Russell, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem etc.

So were those guys all time greats before they won a championship? Or did they win a championship, and we're then considered all-time greats?

Where does Wade land? Kawhi? Paul Pierce?

How about up and coming/current ringless stars like Giannis? Anthony Davis? Harden? Westbrook?

Nah, you can usually tell who the true blue-chip players are.

Harden and Westbrook are both very overrated. I've been saying that for years. Davis is great but plays for one of the most inept organizations in pro sports. I give him a pass, and I'd trade the farm for him. Giannis is so young it is hard to tell what he will become.

Pierce had KG, who was arguably a top-5 player at the time. I love PP, but he wouldn't have won without KG, who was the better player.

Wade had Shaq, LeBron, and, most importantly, David Stern.

And are you seriously gonna compare PG13 to Bird/Kareem/MJ etc? He isn't close to that caliber. Those guys CHANGED THE LEAGUE when they came in.

And apparently most of the NBA agrees about George, because a good chunk of the league could have beaten OKC's offer.

George is an all-star, but he's not an all-time player.

Don't get me wrong, I like him a lot. But I'll be very surprised if he's ever the best player on a championship team.

[Eja117]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

[MaxAMillion]

It has to be Indiana's fault. Here at the Church of Ainge, Danny doesn't make mistakes. The rest of the league is just being mean and unfair because the perfect offer was made by Ainge and Indy refused to take it.

[Roy H.]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

When Joe Ingles is getting offered $15 - $17 million, $21 million for Oladipo is reasonable.

[Eja117]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

Really? Because there would be more pressure on Ainge to get the superteam completed if Hayward had signed here first.
The cap plan for Boston was to sign Hayward first, then trade for PG.
Why not wait 2 days? OKC isn't renegging a deal where they dump Oladipo's 21 million contract and all they have to include is Sabonis.

Horrible trade for the Pacers.

What stopped Danny from making a contingent offer? If he was serious about George, he would have offered more than Crowder and non-lotto picks.

Oladipo is better than Crowder. It's not irrational to prefer Sabonis over the Celtics or Clippers pick. If Danny wanted George, he should have been willing to part with a legit asset.

You're getting hung up on your idea that the best and final offer was Crowder and some peanuts when you (and us) have no idea what the final offer would have been.

My question is, why not wait to see who gets Hayward in free agency and then deal from that position vs pre free agency?

The OKC offer isn't going anywhere.
I'm not saying Ainge is not at fault, but surely as the Indiana GM you'd understand that Boston must sign Hayward first before trading for PG13 from a cap perspective.
Even if Hayward doesn't sign with the C's, then the C's can trade for PG13 from a different cap viewpoint.

Poor management on Indiana's part.

Poor management by Boston.

Why not get the trade agreed to, and use that as a selling point to Hayward? Why not make your "best" offer now?

For PG13?  Because you could end up trading Duncan for a year of PG, which would be stupid and desperate.

[dwlefty13]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

This makes sense. Ainge knows not to over extend his hand for a one year rental, especially for one that lend his hand to you indicating he will go to LA in 2018.

Let OKC take the risk of losing him (and Westbrook for that matter), while we continue to build our young core and wait paitently for the right move at the right time.

[RJ87]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

Really? Because there would be more pressure on Ainge to get the superteam completed if Hayward had signed here first.
The cap plan for Boston was to sign Hayward first, then trade for PG.
Why not wait 2 days? OKC isn't renegging a deal where they dump Oladipo's 21 million contract and all they have to include is Sabonis.

Horrible trade for the Pacers.

What stopped Danny from making a contingent offer? If he was serious about George, he would have offered more than Crowder and non-lotto picks.

Oladipo is better than Crowder. It's not irrational to prefer Sabonis over the Celtics or Clippers pick. If Danny wanted George, he should have been willing to part with a legit asset.

You're getting hung up on your idea that the best and final offer was Crowder and some peanuts when you (and us) have no idea what the final offer would have been.

My question is, why not wait to see who gets Hayward in free agency and then deal from that position vs pre free agency?

The OKC offer isn't going anywhere.
I'm not saying Ainge is not at fault, but surely as the Indiana GM you'd understand that Boston must sign Hayward first before trading for PG13 from a cap perspective.
Even if Hayward doesn't sign with the C's, then the C's can trade for PG13 from a different cap viewpoint.

Poor management on Indiana's part.

Poor management by Boston.

Why not get the trade agreed to, and use that as a selling point to Hayward? Why not make your "best" offer now?

That's been my position from the beginning. Agree in principle -  but don't leak to "sources" - and then execute the trade later.

[blink]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

[liam]

Do you want a player, George, that doesn't want to play for your team and quits on his own team with a year left on his contract?

Did he quit on his team? The way he played in the playoffs suggest otherwise.

I didn't love the way he handled the situation with Indy, but you can't blast Kevin Durant for leaving OKC without warning and then blast Paul for being upfront a year out

I didn't blast KD for leaving. KD was a free agent and he left, that's his right. Paul George just told his team and teammates that he wasn't coming back a year before his contract was up. That's not a good team mate or a leader of any kind.