Paul George Traded To OKC

[MBunge]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

When Joe Ingles is getting offered $15 - $17 million, $21 million for Oladipo is reasonable.

If every one else jumps off a bridge, you would too?

Mike

[Endless Paradise]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

[Roy H.]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

Really? Because there would be more pressure on Ainge to get the superteam completed if Hayward had signed here first.
The cap plan for Boston was to sign Hayward first, then trade for PG.
Why not wait 2 days? OKC isn't renegging a deal where they dump Oladipo's 21 million contract and all they have to include is Sabonis.

Horrible trade for the Pacers.

What stopped Danny from making a contingent offer? If he was serious about George, he would have offered more than Crowder and non-lotto picks.

Oladipo is better than Crowder. It's not irrational to prefer Sabonis over the Celtics or Clippers pick. If Danny wanted George, he should have been willing to part with a legit asset.

You're getting hung up on your idea that the best and final offer was Crowder and some peanuts when you (and us) have no idea what the final offer would have been.

My question is, why not wait to see who gets Hayward in free agency and then deal from that position vs pre free agency?

The OKC offer isn't going anywhere.
I'm not saying Ainge is not at fault, but surely as the Indiana GM you'd understand that Boston must sign Hayward first before trading for PG13 from a cap perspective.
Even if Hayward doesn't sign with the C's, then the C's can trade for PG13 from a different cap viewpoint.

Poor management on Indiana's part.

Poor management by Boston.

Why not get the trade agreed to, and use that as a selling point to Hayward? Why not make your "best" offer now?

For PG13?  Because you could end up trading Duncan for a year of PG, which would be stupid and desperate.

Tim Duncan was a consensus #1 for four straight years. Who has that potential, and why are they falling past the #1 pick?

[RJ87]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

Yeah that Oladipo contract is scary.  I in no way think Indiana did themselves any favors here by not waiting and let things play out with Boston.  Roy - we have no idea what the last offer was from Indy or if they even wanted to deal with us.   The pacers got crap return for an all-star.  That is hardly a great deal for them.

That's market value. What do you think Avery Bradley is going to get when he hits free agency?  How is this different than trading them Avery and them having to cash out for him in a year? At least Victor is younger and healthier.

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DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

When Joe Ingles is getting offered $15 - $17 million, $21 million for Oladipo is reasonable.

Those are two bad contracts.

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[Roy H.]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

When Joe Ingles is getting offered $15 - $17 million, $21 million for Oladipo is reasonable.

If every one else jumps off a bridge, you would too?

Mike

Do you understand how markets work?

When Bradley is making max money next year, Oladipo will look like a bargain.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

It can't just be Crowder. Bradley certainly is part of the deal, and maybe Smart. We'd have to match salaries, and Crowder alone isn't going to make it.

Also, for perspective.

If contenders need a starting quality SF and would be willing to pay a first, Crowder is the PERFECT piece. He's making $6+ million per year and locked up for 3 more years (IIRC). Avery Bradley would still have good value even if he's expiring. You need a Curry stopper, there's a guy who's only making $8 million per. He could still net a 1st.

There's absolutely NO WAY is that less valuable than Domantas FRACKING Sabonis, or overpaid Victor Oladipo. No freaking way.

This is a spite trade. DONE... OUT... OF... SPITE.

[Phantom255x]

Yeah I'm bringing it up again.

WHY DIDN'T WE TRADE FOR BOOGIE.... AND FOR THE PRICE HE WENT FOR... 

He literally solves every remaining problem we have and is a legit superstar..

But they were scared of his "attitude"... 

[Ogaju]

Victor Oladipo is an Indiana guy. Must have played into the trade.

[max215]

OKC is stupid and desperate.

Yeah, it's so dumb to get out of that Oladipo contract while also trying to entice Westbrook to sign an extension by getting him an All-Star to help win now.

P.S. people are acting as though Presti wouldn't and couldn't trade PG (and/or Westbrook) at the trade deadline if he thinks it's necessary.

Why are people ignoring how bad that Oladipo deal is?

[JBcat]

Let things calm down, and call up OKC's GM later in the summer and see if he takes Crowder, Bradley, and the Memphis first for George.  He'll come up ahead in the end than what he started with. Lol

[Yoki_IsTheName]

DA on NBA TV said this was most likely the Pacers saying were not trading him to Boston where they build a potential dynasty we want him outta here. Let's trade him somewhere out west.

Or, OKC made a better offer than Danny was willing to.

Oladipo + Sabonis > Crowder + late firsts

As has been pointed out, Oladipo is owed $84 million over the next four years.  That's 20% of the salary cap.  What was that about throwing away millions?

Mike

When Joe Ingles is getting offered $15 - $17 million, $21 million for Oladipo is reasonable.

If every one else jumps off a bridge, you would too?

Mike

Do you understand how markets work?

When Bradley is making max money next year, Oladipo will look like a bargain.

Then you don't max out Bradley. At worst, you don't have a $21 million cap hit on your books for the next three years.

You'd still have picks. You'd probably have one or two of Smart/Rozier/Yabu. You'd still have Crowder. You'd still have late 1st.

That is SO MUCH better than Oladipo and Sabonis.

[CelticsElite]

Yeah I'm bringing it up again.

WHY DIDN'T WE TRADE FOR BOOGIE.... AND FOR THE PRICE HE WENT FOR... 

He literally solves every remaining problem we have and is a legit superstar..

But they were scared of his "attitude"... 

because the players said no. Isaiah played with cousins. You dont think ainge at least checked Isaiahs pulse and asked him his thoughts on bringing cousins? If IT had a high opinion, I'm pretty sure there would be an offer

Everyone hates playing  with cousins

[Eja117]

I wonder why the Pacers wouldn't wait to see what happened with Hayward first?

Almost like a spite trade.

Why should they? To repeatedly get offered Crowder and a non-lottery pick?

Really? Because there would be more pressure on Ainge to get the superteam completed if Hayward had signed here first.
The cap plan for Boston was to sign Hayward first, then trade for PG.
Why not wait 2 days? OKC isn't renegging a deal where they dump Oladipo's 21 million contract and all they have to include is Sabonis.

Horrible trade for the Pacers.

What stopped Danny from making a contingent offer? If he was serious about George, he would have offered more than Crowder and non-lotto picks.

Oladipo is better than Crowder. It's not irrational to prefer Sabonis over the Celtics or Clippers pick. If Danny wanted George, he should have been willing to part with a legit asset.

You're getting hung up on your idea that the best and final offer was Crowder and some peanuts when you (and us) have no idea what the final offer would have been.

My question is, why not wait to see who gets Hayward in free agency and then deal from that position vs pre free agency?

The OKC offer isn't going anywhere.
I'm not saying Ainge is not at fault, but surely as the Indiana GM you'd understand that Boston must sign Hayward first before trading for PG13 from a cap perspective.
Even if Hayward doesn't sign with the C's, then the C's can trade for PG13 from a different cap viewpoint.

Poor management on Indiana's part.

Poor management by Boston.

Why not get the trade agreed to, and use that as a selling point to Hayward? Why not make your "best" offer now?

For PG13?  Because you could end up trading Duncan for a year of PG, which would be stupid and desperate.

Tim Duncan was a consensus #1 for four straight years. Who has that potential, and why are they falling past the #1 pick?

No he wasn't a consensus #1 for 4 straight years, especially after Marcus Camby spanked him head to head.

There are a couple very highly thought of prospects next year and I'd take them all over a year of PG.