How do Jackson, Brown, and Hayward play together

[tarheelsxxiii]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Adding Butler + Hayward/Griffin to the current core would put the Celtics in contention.  I think they're better than Cleveland at that point, and can legitimately compete with GS. 

[ETNCeltics]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

I'm extremely frustrated with these rumours.   There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,  and he offers is absolutely nothing of need.   

I feel your pain dude!   I think JJackson ceiling is Thadeus Young.   Pretty pathetic isn't it?

Makes me angry just thinking of him throwing up bricks!!

I can see Josh Jackson as a bust. He's nothing but a 6'8" kid who can dunk and ok he plays Defense. Not worthy of the #2 or #3 pick. Id take Tatum over Jackson everyday of the week.

If u trade out the #1 slot to pick at #3, u go with Tatum not Jackson. And you ask for both Sixers and Lakers 018 picks. If thats to much then oh well, just pick Fultz at #1 n hang up the phone

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

Players of Jackson's caliber are in the draft every year. Athletic, mediocre shooting wings. And given his short arms,  it's hardly a given he'll be the elite defender some describe him as.

On the other hand, Fultz is one of the best guard prospects in several years, and everything transpired that landed him right in our laps. And now Ainge is giving him away for a less than spectacular player in Jackson, and a middling 1st rounder.

There's no sugarcoating this giant turd.

[ETNCeltics]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Adding Butler + Hayward/Griffin to the current core would put the Celtics in contention.  I think they're better than Cleveland at that point, and can legitimately compete with GS.

Are the Celtics moving to a new fantasy league that doesn't have a salary cap?

[Ilikesports17]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

I'm extremely frustrated with these rumours.   There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,  and he offers is absolutely nothing of need.   

I feel your pain dude!   I think JJackson ceiling is Thadeus Young.   Pretty pathetic isn't it?

Makes me angry just thinking of him throwing up bricks!!

I can see Josh Jackson as a bust. He's nothing but a 6'8" kid who can dunk and ok he plays Defense. Not worthy of the #2 or #3 pick. Id take Tatum over Jackson everyday of the week.

If u trade out the #1 slot to pick at #3, u go with Tatum not Jackson. And you ask for both Sixers and Lakers 018 picks. If thats to much then oh well, just pick Fultz at #1 n hang up the phone

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

Players of Jackson's caliber are in the draft every year. Athletic, mediocre shooting wings. And given his short arms,  it's hardly a given he'll be the elite defender some describe him as.

On the other hand, Fultz is one of the best guard prospects in several years, and everything transpired that landed him right in our laps. And now Ainge is giving him away for a less than spectacular player in Jackson, and a middling 1st rounder.

There's no sugarcoating this giant turd.

Jackson has average length. This short arms thing has taken on a life of its own but it's not really true.

Jackson is rated higher than any of the athletic mediocre shooting wings to come out since Wiggins and Parker.  He's not just another Justice Winslow.

[PAOBoston]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Time will tell. Depends on what the final product ends up being. Too early to form a full opinion at this point.

[GreenEnvy]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Adding Butler + Hayward/Griffin to the current core would put the Celtics in contention.  I think they're better than Cleveland at that point, and can legitimately compete with GS.

Are the Celtics moving to a new fantasy league that doesn't have a salary cap?

Renouncing all of our RFA's and moving down a couple spots will leave us just about enough room to offer a full max or close to it, maybe a million shy of the $30.xM starting salary. Get the FA we want, we can make salaries work to get Butler/George if we include Crowder/Bradley/Rozier.

It's certainly possible. Round out the roster with vet min guys and rookies.

Then next year you resign IT, use the MLE, get a top pick (or two!), and go wayyy over the cap for contention.


I believe Ainge has something up his sleeve, as usual. This isn't an "I like Jackson so I'll move down to get extra picks" move. This is step 1, imo.

[Sophomore]

Jackson and Brown is no more difficult than IT and Fultz

Not really, both of those guys are above average shooters, whereas Brown is merely average and Jackson is below average.

I also question whether JJ and Brown could play together on a functioning offense. There are tools there BS should be able to use, but they're mostly complementary to other playmakers.

I think JB projects to above-average spotup shooting (he was almost league average at age 20), with an ability to attack closeouts, back-curt and take his man into the post (maybe if the league starts calling assaults down there, he'll have a chance to become a useful create-a-bucket option). In a dream world he makes big strides with his handle and becomes a creator, but...

JJ is more of a mystery. He got to the hole in college, but his drives look like straight lines against slower players. We all know about his shot. I can see his starting with the ball on the wing with an option to hand off, pass, or if the defense is disorganized, turn and drive. I can't see him as a secondary ball handler. If Danny picks him, I assume he sees an ability that hasn't yet been tapped - much like Brown. Can't shake the feeling Danny's going to do something else, where JJ doesn't end up in the bean.

[BringToughnessBack]

You shoot...no you shoot...no you shoot...no you take it....but love their intensity

[Tr1boy]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

I'm extremely frustrated with these rumours.   There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,  and he offers is absolutely nothing of need.   

I feel your pain dude!   I think JJackson ceiling is Thadeus Young.   Pretty pathetic isn't it?

Makes me angry just thinking of him throwing up bricks!!

I can see Josh Jackson as a bust. He's nothing but a 6'8" kid who can dunk and ok he plays Defense. Not worthy of the #2 or #3 pick. Id take Tatum over Jackson everyday of the week.

If u trade out the #1 slot to pick at #3, u go with Tatum not Jackson. And you ask for both Sixers and Lakers 018 picks. If thats to much then oh well, just pick Fultz at #1 n hang up the phone

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

Players of Jackson's caliber are in the draft every year. Athletic, mediocre shooting wings. And given his short arms,  it's hardly a given he'll be the elite defender some describe him as.

On the other hand, Fultz is one of the best guard prospects in several years, and everything transpired that landed him right in our laps. And now Ainge is giving him away for a less than spectacular player in Jackson, and a middling 1st rounder.

There's no sugarcoating this giant turd.

List some then...

[Ilikesports17]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

[Tr1boy]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

[Jvalin]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Adding Butler + Hayward/Griffin to the current core would put the Celtics in contention.  I think they're better than Cleveland at that point, and can legitimately compete with GS.

The Warriors may very well be the best team in NBA history. They broke the Bulls' record for most regular season wins, they added Durant and they almost went 16-0 in the playoffs. Do you really believe we can beat them in a 7 game series? Not to mention we would have to beat LeBron and the Cavs as well.

The way I see it, the best thing we can do is be patient and build through the draft.

[Ilikesports17]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

i was unaware that those things were mutually exclusive.

This is why you p--- people off. Instead of having a discussion about the players you make it a war of team fultz vs team Jackson.

They both have flaws they'd need to address before theyd fit in well with this roster.

[dreamgreen]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

I'm extremely frustrated with these rumours.   There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,  and he offers is absolutely nothing of need.   

I feel your pain dude!   I think JJackson ceiling is Thadeus Young.   Pretty pathetic isn't it?

Makes me angry just thinking of him throwing up bricks!!

I can see Josh Jackson as a bust. He's nothing but a 6'8" kid who can dunk and ok he plays Defense. Not worthy of the #2 or #3 pick. Id take Tatum over Jackson everyday of the week.

If u trade out the #1 slot to pick at #3, u go with Tatum not Jackson. And you ask for both Sixers and Lakers 018 picks. If thats to much then oh well, just pick Fultz at #1 n hang up the phone

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

I'm not angry with the idea we wont draft Fultz. I assume Danny has a better chance of being right than me. But I don't want any of the top prospects if they can't shoot. I'm tired of guys that can't hit a shot and have no chance of hitting a shot anytime soon. Jackson shoots 56.6% from the line that's all I need to know about not wanting him. If we draft him I can't support him unless he proves me wrong but honestly I'd rather see him do it on another team.

[dreamgreen]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Adding Butler + Hayward/Griffin to the current core would put the Celtics in contention.  I think they're better than Cleveland at that point, and can legitimately compete with GS.

Are the Celtics moving to a new fantasy league that doesn't have a salary cap?

Renouncing all of our RFA's and moving down a couple spots will leave us just about enough room to offer a full max or close to it, maybe a million shy of the $30.xM starting salary. Get the FA we want, we can make salaries work to get Butler/George if we include Crowder/Bradley/Rozier.

It's certainly possible. Round out the roster with vet min guys and rookies.

Then next year you resign IT, use the MLE, get a top pick (or two!), and go wayyy over the cap for contention.


I believe Ainge has something up his sleeve, as usual. This isn't an "I like Jackson so I'll move down to get extra picks" move. This is step 1, imo.

I don't know what you're smoking but I could sure use some right now.