How do Jackson, Brown, and Hayward play together

[dreamgreen]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

The point is we have a team of defenders that can't shoot why the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. would we add another when we need someone that can score?

[Ilikesports17]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

I'm extremely frustrated with these rumours.   There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,  and he offers is absolutely nothing of need.   

I feel your pain dude!   I think JJackson ceiling is Thadeus Young.   Pretty pathetic isn't it?

Makes me angry just thinking of him throwing up bricks!!

I can see Josh Jackson as a bust. He's nothing but a 6'8" kid who can dunk and ok he plays Defense. Not worthy of the #2 or #3 pick. Id take Tatum over Jackson everyday of the week.

If u trade out the #1 slot to pick at #3, u go with Tatum not Jackson. And you ask for both Sixers and Lakers 018 picks. If thats to much then oh well, just pick Fultz at #1 n hang up the phone

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

I'm not angry with the idea we wont draft Fultz. I assume Danny has a better chance of being right than me. But I don't want any of the top prospects if they can't shoot. I'm tired of guys that can't hit a shot and have no chance of hitting a shot anytime soon. Jackson shoots 56.6% from the line that's all I need to know about not wanting him. If we draft him I can't support him unless he proves me wrong but honestly I'd rather see him do it on another team.

That's absolutlet fair. Jacksons shooting is a massive concern and the reason I'd rather just take Fultz.

However I will remind you Markelle shot just 65% from the stripe and Lonzo's mechanics make it virtually impossible to get his jumper up off the dribble in the NBA.

[Tr1boy]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

i was unaware that those things were mutually exclusive.

This is why you p--- people off. Instead of having a discussion about the players you make it a war of team fultz vs team Jackson.

They both have flaws they'd need to address before theyd fit in well with this roster.

All you have doing is san****ging Jackson

[PAOBoston]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

I'm extremely frustrated with these rumours.   There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,  and he offers is absolutely nothing of need.   

I feel your pain dude!   I think JJackson ceiling is Thadeus Young.   Pretty pathetic isn't it?

Makes me angry just thinking of him throwing up bricks!!

I can see Josh Jackson as a bust. He's nothing but a 6'8" kid who can dunk and ok he plays Defense. Not worthy of the #2 or #3 pick. Id take Tatum over Jackson everyday of the week.

If u trade out the #1 slot to pick at #3, u go with Tatum not Jackson. And you ask for both Sixers and Lakers 018 picks. If thats to much then oh well, just pick Fultz at #1 n hang up the phone

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

I'm not angry with the idea we wont draft Fultz. I assume Danny has a better chance of being right than me. But I don't want any of the top prospects if they can't shoot. I'm tired of guys that can't hit a shot and have no chance of hitting a shot anytime soon. Jackson shoots 56.6% from the line that's all I need to know about not wanting him. If we draft him I can't support him unless he proves me wrong but honestly I'd rather see him do it on another team.

Not trying to be insensitive or anything but you do realize the irony (is that what it is called?) of your FT statement right? Fultz was a 65% shooter from the charity stripe. Probably a bad choice for you argument there.

But I agree with the issue of Jackson's shooting inconsistencies. But just because he's not as polished offensively right now doesn't mean he cannot improve. He did shoot 38% from 3. It's not like he's a lost cause exactly.

[Tr1boy]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

The point is we have a team of defenders that can't shoot why the **** would we add another when we need someone that can score?

One bad defender can mess up everything... Think about Rondo before traded. And bad defenders dont get min under CBS

Danny obviously didnt see or saw something in Fultz ..and is not going to pick him at one... It is what it is

[SHAQATTACK]

i don't want to find out actually

I rather leave Brown along side Fultz

[Tr1boy]

i don't want to find out actually

I rather leave Brown along side Fultz

Poor shaq...i guess until the trade is officially announced on draft night...you are not going to accept this trade

[Jvalin]

i don't want to find out actually

I rather leave Brown along side Fultz

Poor shaq...i guess until the trade is officially announced on draft night...you are not going to accept this trade

Me neither. I genuinely believe the whole thing is nothing but a smokescreen.

[Tr1boy]

i don't want to find out actually

I rather leave Brown along side Fultz

Poor shaq...i guess until the trade is officially announced on draft night...you are not going to accept this trade

Me neither. I genuinely believe the whole thing is nothing but a smokescreen.

Danny is not here to cripple the Celts org... I trust that he is making the right move for a major decision like this

[Eddie20]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,   

This isn't accurate at all. He may not reach his ceiling, but he has a very high floor as a result of the different ways he impacts the game on the floor (defense, passing, ballhandling, versatility, etc)

[Jvalin]

They don't. Two very below average shooters that are just role guys

There is not a single player in the top 5 that I hate more then Jackson as a prospect.   His bust potentially is incredibly high,   

This isn't accurate at all. He may not reach his ceiling, but he has a very high floor as a result of the different ways he impacts the game on the floor (defense, passing, ballhandling, versatility, etc)

He isn't a great ball handler. That's partly why he was playing at the 4 for Kansas.

[Ilikesports17]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

i was unaware that those things were mutually exclusive.

This is why you p--- people off. Instead of having a discussion about the players you make it a war of team fultz vs team Jackson.

They both have flaws they'd need to address before theyd fit in well with this roster.

All you have doing is san****ging Jackson

lol thats not true:

The good news is that Josh Jackson [is a] terrific prospect... Its not like [he] pull a Jahlil Okafor. I just dont like the idea of giving up a chance to get a James Harden type scorer.

I dont hate moving down for either. Both terrific talents in their own right. There just needs to be some real value coming our direction.

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That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

Players of Jackson's caliber are in the draft every year. Athletic, mediocre shooting wings. And given his short arms,  it's hardly a given he'll be the elite defender some describe him as.

On the other hand, Fultz is one of the best guard prospects in several years, and everything transpired that landed him right in our laps. And now Ainge is giving him away for a less than spectacular player in Jackson, and a middling 1st rounder.

There's no sugarcoating this giant turd.

Jackson has average length. This short arms thing has taken on a life of its own but it's not really true.

Jackson is rated higher than any of the athletic mediocre shooting wings to come out since Wiggins and Parker.  He's not just another Justice Winslow.

I see another Justise Winslow / Stanley Johnson etc.

Hes exponentially more athletic than either of those players.

rip on Jackson

Doesnt create for others is BS. Hes a very good passer. Hes also a much better defender than Wiggins. Like he is an elite defender. Wiggins sucks[at defense].

[mean things]

really doing Josh Jackson an injustice by calling him "an athlete" he brings an elite compete level and an elite bball iq.

And thats just from the last 3 days.

[Tr1boy]

brown would need to become a + outside threat and Jackson would need to substantially improve his handle.

And fultz needs to learn how to play defense

Your point sir?

i was unaware that those things were mutually exclusive.

This is why you p--- people off. Instead of having a discussion about the players you make it a war of team fultz vs team Jackson.

They both have flaws they'd need to address before theyd fit in well with this roster.

All you have doing is san****ging Jackson

lol thats not true:

The good news is that Josh Jackson [is a] terrific prospect... Its not like [he] pull a Jahlil Okafor. I just dont like the idea of giving up a chance to get a James Harden type scorer.

I dont hate moving down for either. Both terrific talents in their own right. There just needs to be some real value coming our direction.

This one is from this ****ing thread

[****ting on Jackson]

That's doing a disservice to Jackson. He has an elite iq on both sides of the ball. He is a great prospect. Is he as good as Fultz, I don't think so, not even close, but let's not let the anger of not getting fultz cloud our evaluation of a really good player in Jackson.

I mean I could sit here and describe Fultz as a  6'4" kid who can make chase down blocks and play OK offense.

Players of Jackson's caliber are in the draft every year. Athletic, mediocre shooting wings. And given his short arms,  it's hardly a given he'll be the elite defender some describe him as.

On the other hand, Fultz is one of the best guard prospects in several years, and everything transpired that landed him right in our laps. And now Ainge is giving him away for a less than spectacular player in Jackson, and a middling 1st rounder.

There's no sugarcoating this giant turd.

Jackson has average length. This short arms thing has taken on a life of its own but it's not really true.

Jackson is rated higher than any of the athletic mediocre shooting wings to come out since Wiggins and Parker.  He's not just another Justice Winslow.

I see another Justise Winslow / Stanley Johnson etc.

Hes exponentially more athletic than either of those players.

rip on Jackson

Doesnt create for others is BS. Hes a very good passer. Hes also a much better defender than Wiggins. Like he is an elite defender. Wiggins sucks[at defense].

[mean things]

really doing Josh Jackson an injustice by calling him "an athlete" he brings an elite compete level and an elite bball iq.

And thats just from the last 3 days.

fine

[tarheelsxxiii]

The real question should be ''how do Jackson, Brown, Crowder and possibly Hayward play together''?

I would think something would have to give there. Meaning: someone or some people are getting traded.

I' m assuming that by someone you mean Crowder. What do we do with IT/Bradley/Smart then? Cause we aren't gonna resign all 3 of them. Are we gonna trade both Crowder and Bradley?? The whole think just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not replace whomever from Bradley/IT/Smart leaves with Fultz?

Maybe they think Rozier is going to take the next step? I don't have an answer for you.

But Crowder/Bradley/picks would probably be my bets to be traded for a star player (Butler/George/etc.).

Meh. I don't want us to trade for a star. If we can't move the needle past Cleveland/Golden State it doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, I guess time will tell.

Adding Butler + Hayward/Griffin to the current core would put the Celtics in contention.  I think they're better than Cleveland at that point, and can legitimately compete with GS.

The Warriors may very well be the best team in NBA history. They broke the Bulls' record for most regular season wins, they added Durant and they almost went 16-0 in the playoffs. Do you really believe we can beat them in a 7 game series? Not to mention we would have to beat LeBron and the Cavs as well.

The way I see it, the best thing we can do is be patient and build through the draft.

I believe that team beats the Cavs.   Golden State has more firepower, but Celtics would be very well-rounded, underrated defensively, and probably deeper in a year or two.  Definitely would not discount the possibility. 

It'll be interesting to see what happens.  I assumed we would keep both BKN picks and rebuild the next core via deep playoff runs lead by the current core.  Great learning experience for the youth.  As of today, I don't think Ainge has the same intention. 

[Beat LA]

In the summer league, I guess . Sigh.