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Re: Brown Sucks. The all Negativity thread.
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2016, 07:31:53 AM »

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The guy is hurt right now.   I doubt many of you armchair coaches and explayers  have ever suffered a bone bruise.  They take a while to heal and they are painful.  I think it makes him way to early to predict his demise.

His shot does need a lot of work.   I like his aggressive nature and the way he drives but it was clear that the aggression was not there as much the last game he played.   This is to be expected the way bodies were flying.

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« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2016, 07:33:31 AM »

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You guys don't watch defense I guess.  Did a great job on bigs last night.  His potential as a PF is real.
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« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2016, 07:35:50 AM »

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He is not 100 percent

U nfortunately his relentless style may always have him hurt


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« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2016, 07:47:22 AM »

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He is a project, and it's gonna take time - probably a huge amount of it - before he becomes anything close to an NBA player.

Sad that's all we got for the 3, but you can't stop Ainge from his style of college evaluation and drafting, hugely flawed though it may be.
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« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2016, 08:03:42 AM »

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Funny how so many threads end up being a debate about whether Danny is the worst or the best drafter in the world (most not all are one extreme or the other it seems).  I think what is lost is just how hard drafting is.  It is not fair to say "this guy that Ainge picked at #23 isn't as good as this other guy picked at #28 so Ainge is a bad drafter".

In terms of Brown specifically, is it really clear that he is a better or worse pick than Heild or Murray or Bender or Dunn or ... (even add Simmonds and Ingram)?  I was hoping that we were able to trade the pick for a player with NBA experience.  Judging talent based on NBA experience is much more accurate than drafting (but not perfect either).  Of the group of players taken 1-8 (say) about half will be disappointments, maybe more.  It happens every year to every GM.

That is why it is good that we have so many BKN picks.  I don't expect Danny or any GM would hit gold with every pick.  The hope is that with enough shots at it, maybe we get really lucky (both in terms of lottery and player selection) with one of them and do OK with a couple.

I don't consider Young a bad pick (Melo was a bad pick).  It is within the statistical norm for a #16 pick to struggle.  It certainly can't be called a good pick but there is quite a bit of real estate between bad and good.

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« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2016, 08:10:52 AM »

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Most of the arguments I've read here are amusing and make absolutely no sense.

The only way Dunn would have been a better pick is if we were certain we wanted to trade it later, but if we want to keep the pick then Brown was among the better prospects that filled a gap for the team. Also please keep in mind Dunn is 22 while Brown is 19, so any comparisons between Brown and Dunn should factor in that one has 3 more years of organized basketball experience and coaching. If you need to compare the two, you should compare 19-year-old Brown with 19-year-old Dunn that averaged 6pts, 3asts and 2turnovers a game.

How can you judge someone's BBIQ in summer league where everyone is playing for very different reasons? Guys aren't passing, not in the right spots, not setting proper screens, etc. Players aren't concerned with the right basketball play, but fighting for their shot. This is not team basketball, but an individual showcase where an individual player goes off. Simmons seems to be the exception, but his job is secured.

He has come in as a rookie, with solid work ethic and natural talent... everything else can be taught.

So these are the reasons:

No one else had him at #3

Most every one else had Dunn at #3

He's incredibly raw -- did he coast through HS and college on his athletic ability? That contradicts his "incredible work ethic." So which is it? He sucks... or he didn't try to develop himself in a basketball player? He would be just as well served in the NFL, as of now.

Dunn proved he can play at a high level in the NBA. He has elite size for his position and quite possibly better than average NBA skill.  When was the last time we drafted anyone with possibly higher than average NBA skill?

I want Brown to prove us wrong. There are also a lot of folks here that want us to contend now -- which is silly to me, I'm fine with a slow progression. But at the end of the day, Dunn was a much safer bet than Brown.

I definitely think Dunn was the third best player in the draft (maybe higher), hands down, but anyone who projected him to us at three is simply drafting based on Youtube videos and not based on team personnel needs, unless for the sole purpose was a trade. We simply don't need to draft a starting PG. IT is the face of the franchise and our biggest recruiter. Bringing in Dunn would have screwed with IT because it would have been a clear signal that we brought in your replacement... this is an issue IT has faced before. Then some "wise" GM would say "Just trade IT"... if we do that to our main recruiter this will screw with our image to other top Free Agents especially now when players are looking for "loyalty". So unless there is a big decline in IT, we will not be drafting a top prospect PG any time soon... just our reality. And I'm fine with that... we have so many other needs

To say no one had him at #3 is wrong, several projections had him there, especially as it got closer to the draft and buzz started. I've seen draft projections that even had us taking Chriss at #3... reason being that we are a team that needed a serious jolt of athleticism.

He didn't coast through college, he simply came out of the system 3 years earlier than Dunn. Nothing is wrong with Brown or the college system, he simply made the jump... now if what you were alluding to is that he should have learnt all that college coaches had for him in one year then I think that expectation is unrealistic.

It's definitely been a long time since we've drafted persons that projected as "stars" but we normally draft in the teens... those star-projected players are normally few and don't last past #3. But don't forget that players can also develop into stars and don't have to be drafted as one.

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« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2016, 08:46:24 AM »

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The kid is garbage!  He's indecisive and passive.  He is another Jeff green without the shot!  Great waste of #3 pick Danny.  And for all well he's only 19 apologists...Devon Booker says hi.

Danny only gets a draft pass because he got a steal with Nader and bentyl

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« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2016, 08:52:50 AM »

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Hehe...never say I didn't tell you. 

Of course, Danny's apologists filled the threads as usual.

Stop insulting people.

Lol what's the insult in what I said

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« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2016, 08:59:57 AM »

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The kid was probably told to cool it going to the basket, after the knee injury. Other than D, that seems to be his game. Doesn't look like a perimeter shooter, but how can you tell with a 19yo? School's still out, but Dunn looks better, though TO prone. Somebody pointed out the 3 yr age difference could be factor. Ainge knew that, too. I think he threw mud against the wall on Brown. Danny wasn't around when they drafted the "next great wing" Kedrick Brown. Beware of wings. They are not all Michael Jordan.

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« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2016, 09:03:21 AM »

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The kid is garbage!  He's indecisive and passive.  He is another Jeff green without the shot!  Great waste of #3 pick Danny.  And for all well he's only 19 apologists...Devon Booker says hi.

Danny only gets a draft pass because he got a steal with Nader and bentyl

If Danny blows this pick, his stock will go down. He had his choice of several other options many liked better.

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« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2016, 09:15:32 AM »

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Patience is required

Brown reminds me of Derozan. And Derozan tooks with ehat 2-3 years before he became comfortable

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« Reply #86 on: July 11, 2016, 09:17:38 AM »

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Marquess Chriss sure made a better impression..Heck even Thon Maker is doing better than Brown right now...the sky is falling and Jaylen Brown is just a bigger marcus smart.

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« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2016, 09:20:27 AM »

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The kid is garbage!  He's indecisive and passive.  He is another Jeff green without the shot!  Great waste of #3 pick Danny.  And for all well he's only 19 apologists...Devon Booker says hi.

Danny only gets a draft pass because he got a steal with Nader and bentyl

"Passive" is not how I'd describe Brown.

And, why do you prefer Bender over Brown?


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« Reply #88 on: July 11, 2016, 09:21:15 AM »

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lol sigh...

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« Reply #89 on: July 11, 2016, 09:29:47 AM »

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Marquess Chriss sure made a better impression..Heck even Thon Maker is doing better than Brown right now...the sky is falling and Jaylen Brown is just a bigger marcus smart.

Did chriss look good in game 1?

Its like after every game the stock moves way up or down