Brown Sucks. The all Negativity thread.

[RockinRyA]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

[Clench123]

Hehe...never say I didn't tell you. 

Of course, Danny's apologists filled the threads as usual. 

[86MaxwellSmart]

Ainge's inability to Draft correctly is gonna KEEP us from being a Championship Team---you can't just Blow picks left and right.

Ainge is a Great trader--but (if it's possible) this team really needs to hire someone who can correctly evaluate potential draft picks... The Celtics would have been better off letting the Mock Draft guys make this 3rd pick---No, REALLY.

[KG Living Legend]

Ainge's inability to Draft correctly is gonna KEEP us from being a Championship Team---you can't just Blow picks left and right.

Ainge is a Great trader--but (if it's possible) this team really needs to hire someone who can correctly evaluate potential draft picks... The Celtics would have been better off letting the Mock Draft guys make this 3rd pick---No, REALLY.

 No. Absolutely your right Tp. I'm no genius but I would have taken Kris Dunn. The guy nearly everyone agreed was the third best prospect.

 Don't get cute Ainge . Dunns trade value will be sky high as soon as the real Games start.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

[Rondo9]

Hehe...never say I didn't tell you. 

Of course, Danny's apologists filled the threads as usual.

Stop insulting people.

[mahcus smaht]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

Are you under the impression James Young was picked in the same draft as Olynyk.

Giddens I guess was a reach. The only other reaches were Rozier and maybe Brown but everyone agreed brown was part of the clusterEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. of players that were not in the top 2 but was clearly in the 3rd tier of guys battling for the #3 spot.

Oh and Yabu. He was a reach, but if you wanna make yourself look like an idiot and claim you know how those picks are gonna pan out then go for it. I'm gonna evaluate the picks we can actually evaluate.

[Rondo9]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

Rozier seems to have a higher ceiling than Portis and who knew that Giannis would this good.

[__ramonezy__]

Most of the arguments I've read here are amusing and make absolutely no sense.

The only way Dunn would have been a better pick is if we were certain we wanted to trade it later, but if we want to keep the pick then Brown was among the better prospects that filled a gap for the team. Also please keep in mind Dunn is 22 while Brown is 19, so any comparisons between Brown and Dunn should factor in that one has 3 more years of organized basketball experience and coaching. If you need to compare the two, you should compare 19-year-old Brown with 19-year-old Dunn that averaged 6pts, 3asts and 2turnovers a game.

How can you judge someone's BBIQ in summer league where everyone is playing for very different reasons? Guys aren't passing, not in the right spots, not setting proper screens, etc. Players aren't concerned with the right basketball play, but fighting for their shot. This is not team basketball, but an individual showcase where an individual player goes off. Simmons seems to be the exception, but his job is secured.

He has come in as a rookie, with solid work ethic and natural talent... everything else can be taught.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

Are you under the impression James Young was picked in the same draft as Olynyk.

Giddens I guess was a reach. The only other reaches were Rozier and maybe Brown but everyone agreed brown was part of the cluster**** of players that were not in the top 2 but was clearly in the 3rd tier of guys battling for the #3 spot.

Oh and Yabu. He was a reach, but if you wanna make yourself look like an idiot and claim you know how those picks are gonna pan out then go for it. I'm gonna evaluate the picks we can actually evaluate.

Okay? You're somehow limited in what picks you can evaluate? Dunn was the clear selection at #3. Better known commodities were available at 16, and yet I still didn't completely knock it (DA was apparently creative, and Yabu does seem to have potential). You acknowledged Giddens, yet no one else I discussed.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Most of the arguments I've read here are amusing and make absolutely no sense.

The only way Dunn would have been a better pick is if we were certain we wanted to trade it later, but if we want to keep the pick then Brown was among the better prospects that filled a gap for the team. Also please keep in mind Dunn is 22 while Brown is 19, so any comparisons between Brown and Dunn should factor in that one has 3 more years of organized basketball experience and coaching. If you need to compare the two, you should compare 19-year-old Brown with 19-year-old Dunn that averaged 6pts, 3asts and 2turnovers a game.

How can you judge someone's BBIQ in summer league where everyone is playing for very different reasons? Guys aren't passing, not in the right spots, not setting proper screens, etc. Players aren't concerned with the right basketball play, but fighting for their shot. This is not team basketball, but an individual showcase where an individual player goes off. Simmons seems to be the exception, but his job is secured.

He has come in as a rookie, with solid work ethic and natural talent... everything else can be taught.

So these are the reasons:

No one else had him at #3

Most every one else had Dunn at #3

He's incredibly raw -- did he coast through HS and college on his athletic ability? That contradicts his "incredible work ethic." So which is it? He sucks... or he didn't try to develop himself in a basketball player? He would be just as well served in the NFL, as of now.

Dunn proved he can play at a high level in the NBA. He has elite size for his position and quite possibly better than average NBA skill.  When was the last time we drafted anyone with possibly higher than average NBA skill?

I want Brown to prove us wrong. There are also a lot of folks here that want us to contend now -- which is silly to me, I'm fine with a slow progression. But at the end of the day, Dunn was a much safer bet than Brown.

[mahcus smaht]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

Are you under the impression James Young was picked in the same draft as Olynyk.

Giddens I guess was a reach. The only other reaches were Rozier and maybe Brown but everyone agreed brown was part of the cluster**** of players that were not in the top 2 but was clearly in the 3rd tier of guys battling for the #3 spot.

Oh and Yabu. He was a reach, but if you wanna make yourself look like an idiot and claim you know how those picks are gonna pan out then go for it. I'm gonna evaluate the picks we can actually evaluate.

Okay? You're somehow limited in what picks you can evaluate? Dunn was the clear selection at #3. Better known commodities were available at 16, and yet I still didn't completely knock it (DA was apparently creative, and Yabu does seem to have potential). You acknowledged Giddens, yet no one else I discussed.

You wrote Danny picks a bunch of reaches that never pan out. Correct?

To say Brown Rozier and Yabu won't pan out is not something I'm willing to do quite yet.

i don't acknowledge The others because Giddens was the only clear reach and I'm giving you that cus I didn't really pay enough attention to that draft to remember.

Jajuan Johnson was a projected first rounder. Young was projected a few picks later than 17, but ESPN had him and I believe Gary Harris as the likely picks just before the selection was announced. Kelly was projected in the lotto I believe and neither Melo nor Sully were reaches. Smart obviously wasn't a reach.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

Are you under the impression James Young was picked in the same draft as Olynyk.

Giddens I guess was a reach. The only other reaches were Rozier and maybe Brown but everyone agreed brown was part of the cluster**** of players that were not in the top 2 but was clearly in the 3rd tier of guys battling for the #3 spot.

Oh and Yabu. He was a reach, but if you wanna make yourself look like an idiot and claim you know how those picks are gonna pan out then go for it. I'm gonna evaluate the picks we can actually evaluate.

Okay? You're somehow limited in what picks you can evaluate? Dunn was the clear selection at #3. Better known commodities were available at 16, and yet I still didn't completely knock it (DA was apparently creative, and Yabu does seem to have potential). You acknowledged Giddens, yet no one else I discussed.

You wrote Danny picks a bunch of reaches that never pan out. Correct?

To say Brown Rozier and Yabu won't pan out is not something I'm willing to do quite yet.

i don't acknowledge The others because Giddens was the only clear reach and I'm giving you that cus I didn't really pay enough attention to that draft to remember.

Jajuan Johnson was a projected first rounder. Young was projected a few picks later than 17, but ESPN had him and I believe Gary Harris as the likely picks just before the selection was announced. Kelly was projected in the lotto I believe and neither Melo nor Sully were reaches. Smart obviously wasn't a reach.

So if you have knowledge of where these guys were slotted and how they turned out, you can easily evaluate draft picks around the league and observe that we do not draft well.

[mahcus smaht]

I hate the pick, too. I gave up on Ainge as a drafter, though. Honestly believe he just tries to be "cute" by reaching on guys in the event that one exceeds expectations and makes him look like a genius. How else can you explain his repetition of "reaches" that never pan out?

Who are the reaches that never pan out?

James Young was expected to be picked in that range.
Fab Melo was also expected at that range
Same with JJJ
Rozier jury is still out on him, and with the rockets reportedly willing to draft him at 18, not a reach.
Olynyk is pretty decent for a 13th pick and was also in that range.

The only guy that fit your description is JR Giddens.

Do you still feel smart tarheels? This goes to show that you are just full of bias with 0 credibility. No fact to back your talk and just pure hater.

That's a pretty strong reaction. The two posters above seem to feel the same way, but I'll entertain your stance.

Fab Melo: Whatever -- a pick that late doesn't really bother me. It's silly he was drafted before Sully, but that's splitting hairs.

Young: Harris would've been my pick. Beyond that? Man... Caboclo, Hood, Capela, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Clarkson, Giannis, even Napier... that was a blunder in hindsight.

Olynyk: We traded up for this guy in the same draft. I have been an Olynyk apologist, through and through -- I even ran my own stats to try to figure out how he is most useful and why he occasionally sucks (seriously). Lots of guys taken after him that have had, and project to have, better NBA careers. I get the "stretchy 4" interest, but moving up for him? Crazy. He didn't have the mentality to be a rock in college (it took him years to develop), nor will he ever. 

JJJ: Awful pick, no one with knowledge of the game would've forecasted him to be an NBA player -- physically, he was never even close. The next 4 picks directly proceeding him turned out to be NBA rotation players. Beyond that, you have Leuer, L. Allen, even E. Moore, and Isaiah. That was just dumb.

Rozier: Portis was the clear choice. Every one in the world had him going to the Cs. He's a starting caliber big. Rozier is undersized, plays more like a SG than a PG, and thus projects to be a back-up at  best. Not a great pick -- universally considered a reach.

Smart: Not mad, but had both Randle and Vonleh (yikes) ahead of him. He was vastly overrated in college, has not improved since. I honestly don't know what the best move was with that pick, but Smart wasn't a good one. Beyond that, we have sat on him far too long -- his trade value drops every day he's still with us, and he ain't getting any better.

Brown: Dunn oozes 6x all-star. I could be wrong. But that kid appears NBA-ready, oozes all-star potential, and has shown out thus far. Brown is exactly as advertised, and annoyingly, has sucked at basketball like so many of Ainge's draft picks -- athletic, low BBIQ, offensively limited.

Yabu -- Why? He was climbing up the draft boards, I see the allure. But you still had a lotto-projected guy in Ellenson available, high upside with D. Davis, Beasly, M. Richardson, Levert, D. Murray, Brogdon, even D. Stone. It was a major reach -- he was a projected late-first/second rounder.

Are you under the impression James Young was picked in the same draft as Olynyk.

Giddens I guess was a reach. The only other reaches were Rozier and maybe Brown but everyone agreed brown was part of the cluster**** of players that were not in the top 2 but was clearly in the 3rd tier of guys battling for the #3 spot.

Oh and Yabu. He was a reach, but if you wanna make yourself look like an idiot and claim you know how those picks are gonna pan out then go for it. I'm gonna evaluate the picks we can actually evaluate.

Okay? You're somehow limited in what picks you can evaluate? Dunn was the clear selection at #3. Better known commodities were available at 16, and yet I still didn't completely knock it (DA was apparently creative, and Yabu does seem to have potential). You acknowledged Giddens, yet no one else I discussed.

You wrote Danny picks a bunch of reaches that never pan out. Correct?

To say Brown Rozier and Yabu won't pan out is not something I'm willing to do quite yet.

i don't acknowledge The others because Giddens was the only clear reach and I'm giving you that cus I didn't really pay enough attention to that draft to remember.

Jajuan Johnson was a projected first rounder. Young was projected a few picks later than 17, but ESPN had him and I believe Gary Harris as the likely picks just before the selection was announced. Kelly was projected in the lotto I believe and neither Melo nor Sully were reaches. Smart obviously wasn't a reach.

So if you have knowledge of where these guys were slotted and how they turned out, you can easily evaluate draft picks around the league and observe that we do not draft well.

I am saying that Ainges history of "'reaches' that never pan out" does not exist. The argument that he is a bad drafter is a tired one which has been had many times. not worth rehashing it here.

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Most of the arguments I've read here are amusing and make absolutely no sense.

The only way Dunn would have been a better pick is if we were certain we wanted to trade it later, but if we want to keep the pick then Brown was among the better prospects that filled a gap for the team. Also please keep in mind Dunn is 22 while Brown is 19, so any comparisons between Brown and Dunn should factor in that one has 3 more years of organized basketball experience and coaching. If you need to compare the two, you should compare 19-year-old Brown with 19-year-old Dunn that averaged 6pts, 3asts and 2turnovers a game.

How can you judge someone's BBIQ in summer league where everyone is playing for very different reasons? Guys aren't passing, not in the right spots, not setting proper screens, etc. Players aren't concerned with the right basketball play, but fighting for their shot. This is not team basketball, but an individual showcase where an individual player goes off. Simmons seems to be the exception, but his job is secured.

He has come in as a rookie, with solid work ethic and natural talent... everything else can be taught.

This. All the Internet GMs in here might disagree with you. But I have gotten a nice chuckle this morning from reading their despair and complete overreactions.#scheudenfreude