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Re: C's , Cavs, Pelican 3 team deal in works?(Rumor)
« Reply #165 on: February 17, 2016, 08:24:43 PM »

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A guy like Love is a means to an end. You gotta get the ball rolling somewhere. C's don't have that one piece yet.

Every team he's played for has ended in disaster.

Also I do firmly agree that trading any assets of value for Love would bring about the end of this current Celtics team's success.

So I guess I can see some accuracy in that statement.

:P
Love would be amazing here.
on offense, working within a system created by CBS, love would be amazing.

on defense, working within a system created by CBS, love would be....hmmmm...to be honest i dont know. i suspect he will suck as ever, but perhaps CBS can both teach him to play SOME defense while covering him up with good defensive schemes.

i am not in love with love as some members here. i worry that his history shows a player who plays farther and farther from the basket, thereby reducing his ability to be an elite rebounder.

well...regardless, we should know by tomorrow evening.

I'll be honest I've talked myself into hoping they acquire Love, even for the Nets pick and it's mainly for the some of reasons listed here. He'd be awesome in this system, and I bet Brad could find a way to mask his defense. His offense would be epic though, and I think he'd really help this team. He put up empty stats in Minnesota but this isn't the same team. I do want to keep Crowder if we get him though so would rather give up the pick if it came down to it.

I think his post game is underrated as well. He'd grab boards here

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« Reply #166 on: February 17, 2016, 08:39:02 PM »

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Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller
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« Reply #167 on: February 17, 2016, 08:42:44 PM »

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Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

It's good value for everyone, but Cleveland doesn't need the Brooklyn Pick.
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« Reply #168 on: February 17, 2016, 08:44:20 PM »

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Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d
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« Reply #169 on: February 17, 2016, 08:46:23 PM »

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I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #170 on: February 17, 2016, 08:46:45 PM »

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Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d

Maybe... but I'm with DA in the sense that we have players more valuable than the Nets pick, and Crowder is one. He needs to be on this team if we get Love, we need his defense. Obviously the Cavs probably don't want the pick and would want a player like Crowder but this is why we're hearing about a potential 3 way deal with NO. They'd take the pick... I bet DA definitely gives up the pick before Crowder.

But who knows

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« Reply #171 on: February 17, 2016, 08:47:37 PM »

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Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d

probably have to include KO or get them Anderson somehow so they still have spacing

But

I think they really want AB, they desperately need someone who can stay with Curry in the finals.


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« Reply #172 on: February 17, 2016, 08:52:03 PM »

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I'm bitter.

Re: C's , Cavs, Pelican 3 team deal in works?(Rumor) UPDATES on pg 1
« Reply #173 on: February 17, 2016, 08:53:29 PM »

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Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d

-2 wins for us lol


According to ESPN our starting SF would be no one lol

It'd be Turner which would blow... got to keep Crowder

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« Reply #174 on: February 17, 2016, 08:54:04 PM »

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Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

You'd have to sweeten Atlanta's take somewhat and blunt Cleveland's take (too much for Love).  I also think the Pelicans get much to much for just Anderson. 

No pick to NO.  Atlanta gets another pick from somewhere.  Cleveland gets a pick but not such a good one...I could be off base but isn't KO worth more than Anderson by himself?  Due to being more well rounded?

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« Reply #175 on: February 17, 2016, 09:02:47 PM »

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For those doubting Love's impact on the Celts, just think of it this way -- he could play in the EXACT SAME ROLE that Sullinger has right now, play 30-32 minutes a game, and put up 18-20 points on a regular basis, without changing the offense much at all. 

And when the games get tight and Isaiah doesn't have it going, you give it to Love at the top of the key or on the left elbow and let him go to work.

I understand what you're saying, and I don't doubt that Love is an upgrade over our current front line.  I don't think anybody can deny that.

My main concern is pretty much exactly what you have said above - that Love would play pretty much the  exact same role as Sulllinger, and that the only significant thing we'd be gaining above Sullinger is an improved three point shot. 

If you look at Sully's Per 36 numbers this year and compare them to Love's Per 36 numbers, they are pretty darn close.  Love is +2 on scoring, but Sully is shoots a higher percentage (as scary as that is to say) and is rebounding at a slightly better rate.  Sully is way up on assists, and is a significant better defensive player (IMHO) than Love is.

Playing time is also a moot point since Sully averaged just under 28 MPG for the previous two seasons, and the only reason his minutes are down this year is because we have a logjam up front. 

In his old days Love had two big edges over Sully - three point shooting, and his ability to draw fouls at an elite rate.  Now that Love is drawing fouls at a worse rate than Sully, that leaves three point shooting as the ONLY significant advantage.  It's a good thing to have and worthy of an upgrade, but only if the cost is reasonable.

If we got rid of some of the 'competition' in the front court and had Sully back up to playing 28 MPG again, then he'd be giving us about 85% - 90% of what Love would give us without the need for us to tie ourselves up with a $110m contract, and without the need for us to give up any core players or any Nets picks.

Personally, I think we are better off with:

* Sully
* 2016 Brooklyn Pick
* The cap space to sign two max (or near max) free agents

Than we are with:

* Love

I understand why other people are so eager for the deal.  People think that Love's numbers have only dropped because of his role change in Cleveland, and that bringing him to Boston in a key role will see him re-emerge as a superstar again.

But that's all conjecture, and there is no evidence to suggest that will happen.  If we give up the 2016 Nets pick AND a core player or two for Love, and he doesn't regain his old form and looks just as bad here as he does in Cleveland now...then what?

Then we will be the third team in four years trying to trade Kevin Love, every team in the NBA will know that he is no longer a superstar, he will become the next 'Amare Stoudemire' contract, and we will suffer the fate that the Knicks suffered for how many years up until now?

Maybe the best does happen.  Maybe we trade, and Love does fit well here, and he does become a star again, and he gains some maturity under Brad Stevens and us deep in the playoffs, and the Brooklyn pick ends up falling 5th or 6th. 

But the risk...just so much risk.  I just feel like the chance of it blowing up in our faces exceeds the chance of it succeeding something like 5:1.

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« Reply #176 on: February 17, 2016, 09:03:12 PM »

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Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d

probably have to include KO or get them Anderson somehow so they still have spacing

But

I think they really want AB, they desperately need someone who can stay with Curry in the finals.

I think they probably want Crowder, but if I'm Danny, I'm trying to sell them on AB.
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« Reply #177 on: February 17, 2016, 09:11:07 PM »

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Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

I have to say, that would be the best trade proposal I've seen so far.

It's still hurtful giving up Bradley and Olynyk for sure, but if you are getting both Horford and Love I guess it's a given you are going to have to give up some players of real value.

My only thing with this trade is the Brooklyn pick - that would be the one piece that would make me begrudgingly say no, mainly because:

* I don't feel adding either Horford or Love (or both) is a transcendent move due to so/so fit
* The risk with Love's contract
* The fact that Horford is a FA and can walk after the season

Because of those three things combined, giving up all those players AND the Brooklyn pick just hurts too much. 

I'd be happy to offer the 2018 Brooklyn pick, or even to offer them the 2017 Celtics pick (right to swap) AND the 2018 Brooklyn pick  - that's essentially giving up two future unprotected picks so we can keep the 2016 one.

But overall it is a well thought our proposal - nicely done :)


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« Reply #178 on: February 17, 2016, 09:13:06 PM »

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Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d

probably have to include KO or get them Anderson somehow so they still have spacing

But

I think they really want AB, they desperately need someone who can stay with Curry in the finals.

I think they probably want Crowder, but if I'm Danny, I'm trying to sell them on AB.

Yeah, if I'm I would say Crowder, Thomas and the 2016 Nets pick would be 100% off limits for anything short of a superstar (Blake Griffin or Demarcus Cousins).


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« Reply #179 on: February 17, 2016, 09:19:56 PM »

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Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

I have to say, that would be the best trade proposal I've seen so far.

It's still hurtful giving up Bradley and Olynyk for sure, but if you are getting both Horford and Love I guess it's a given you are going to have to give up some players of real value.

My only thing with this trade is the Brooklyn pick - that would be the one piece that would make me begrudgingly say no, mainly because:

* I don't feel adding either Horford or Love (or both) is a transcendent move due to so/so fit
* The risk with Love's contract
* The fact that Horford is a FA and can walk after the season

Because of those three things combined, giving up all those players AND the Brooklyn pick just hurts too much. 

I'd be happy to offer the 2018 Brooklyn pick, or even to offer them the 2017 Celtics pick (right to swap) AND the 2018 Brooklyn pick  - that's essentially giving up two future unprotected picks so we can keep the 2016 one.

But overall it is a well thought our proposal - nicely done :)

would you prefer Howard over Horford if the price is near the same ?

I would

A Love/Howard front court would be perfect