C's , Cavs, Pelican 3 team deal in works?(Rumor) UPDATES on pg 1

[D Dub]

Looks like the Pel's don't have to take back much salary.  If it goes down, might look something like this--

NOL gets Young, Jerebko, Bos 2016 1st
CLE gets AB, Anderson, Sully, Dal 2016 1st + the 2017 BKL swap rights
C's get Love

[jpotter33]

Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

I have to say, that would be the best trade proposal I've seen so far.

It's still hurtful giving up Bradley and Olynyk for sure, but if you are getting both Horford and Love I guess it's a given you are going to have to give up some players of real value.

My only thing with this trade is the Brooklyn pick - that would be the one piece that would make me begrudgingly say no, mainly because:

* I don't feel adding either Horford or Love (or both) is a transcendent move due to so/so fit
* The risk with Love's contract
* The fact that Horford is a FA and can walk after the season

Because of those three things combined, giving up all those players AND the Brooklyn pick just hurts too much. 

I'd be happy to offer the 2018 Brooklyn pick, or even to offer them the 2017 Celtics pick (right to swap) AND the 2018 Brooklyn pick  - that's essentially giving up two future unprotected picks so we can keep the 2016 one.

But overall it is a well thought our proposal - nicely done

would you prefer Howard over Horford if the price is near the same ?

I would

A Love/Howard front court would be perfect

I like Horford over Howard because A) you can't hack Horford and B) he'd provide more spacing for Love to work down in the post more, where he really excels that Cleveland didn't take advantage of.

Also, Horford's character and work-ethic is perfect for this team, and I think he'd be much more likely to stay in Boston than Howard.

[jpotter33]

Could a Love trade be this simple?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gohho6d

probably have to include KO or get them Anderson somehow so they still have spacing

But

I think they really want AB, they desperately need someone who can stay with Curry in the finals.

I think they probably want Crowder, but if I'm Danny, I'm trying to sell them on AB.

Yeah, if I'm I would say Crowder, Thomas and the 2016 Nets pick would be 100% off limits for anything short of a superstar (Blake Griffin or Demarcus Cousins).

Yep. Bradley is (somewhat) expendable due to having Smart just aching for a bigger role behind him, but we literally don't have any good options to replace Crowder. For me, though I don't think he's our current best player or has all that much higher of a ceiling, he's probably our most valuable player at the moment, because he's a very good two-way player that is A) at a crucial position, B) affordable over a long time period, and C) very, very versatile offensively and defensively, and D) our only legitimate option right now for a starting caliber small forward.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I think we've been removed from the equation here (if we were ever in play for a 3 team deal). The sources weren't reliable to begin with, and it's now rumored that ORL may deal Frye to CLE as the Clips drag their feet until tomorrow morning on a Lance-Frye flip. If CLE has turned to Frye, a deal with NO probably fell through or never gained much traction.

Begs the question of why CLE is pursuing Frye if they're holding onto Love. Frye definitely isn't going to replace Love, nor even come relatively close like Andersen may have. So CLE wants Frye for... insurance? Perhaps the assumption is that Love has a weak/injury prone vajayjay? All seems wonky to me, doubt anything happens for the Cs by tomorrow afternoon.

[crimson_stallion]

Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

I have to say, that would be the best trade proposal I've seen so far.

It's still hurtful giving up Bradley and Olynyk for sure, but if you are getting both Horford and Love I guess it's a given you are going to have to give up some players of real value.

My only thing with this trade is the Brooklyn pick - that would be the one piece that would make me begrudgingly say no, mainly because:

* I don't feel adding either Horford or Love (or both) is a transcendent move due to so/so fit
* The risk with Love's contract
* The fact that Horford is a FA and can walk after the season

Because of those three things combined, giving up all those players AND the Brooklyn pick just hurts too much. 

I'd be happy to offer the 2018 Brooklyn pick, or even to offer them the 2017 Celtics pick (right to swap) AND the 2018 Brooklyn pick  - that's essentially giving up two future unprotected picks so we can keep the 2016 one.

But overall it is a well thought our proposal - nicely done

would you prefer Howard over Horford if the price is near the same ?

I would

A Love/Howard front court would be perfect

Yeah, I definitely would.
 
In today's NBA finding a big man who can dominate the paint is quite rare, because all the bigs coming out these days are finesse guys who shoot threes.

If we could get Dwight on board as a rim protector, rebounding and interior scorer, then finding a stretch four to put alongside him wouldn't be hard.  Kevin Love, Al Horford, Thad Young, Kelly Olynyk - you name it.  They are everywhere.

But if you get Horford, tying to find a quality interior defender/rebounder to put alongside him night not be so easy unless we can pry Noel from Philly.  There is Whiteside, but I feel he is a high risk proposition giving the type of contract he'll likely command.

I think either Love+Dwight or Horford+Dwight  is a championship caliber front line. 

I feel Love+Horford is a good front line, but not a championship caliber one.

I have to admit though, handling the personalities involved in a Love+Dwight frontcourt...wholy cow that would be a full time job in itself 

[guava_wrench]

Saw this on realgm, not sure about the source but...

Mark Clark @marksword

Potential Deal: Has the Pelicans with Celtics #1 pick(top 3)maybe a shot at Ben Simmons with (Cavaliers) (Ryan& Bradley)#NBATradeDeadline

so would we send brk pick to pelicns\
ab and anderson to cavs

Love to bos ?

Can't even read that. What is that supposed to be? Love to BOS, Ryno and Bradley to CLE, pick (and salary filler) to NOP?

Yeah this is some serious Twibberish (Twitter gibberish). 

Playing along, I'm really really hoping that (top 3) would mean the pick is top 3 protected, but it would have to be our #1 in that case, and therefore moot.  And the Ben Simmons reference then makes 0 sense unless the idea is that the Pelicans would now be tanking hard. 

That's it, I definitely need a translator.  Someone get an 11 year old on the phone stat.  Wait they probably don't talk on the phone....er, the textybox.

TP for putting the pieces in the right order on how this trade might go down.

It's a complete guess but I think the Pels would probably be happy with a mediocre #1 for Anderson, they've been trying to move him for a while.  And the Cavs MIGHT consider AB and Ryno a decent return for Love. 

Don't see how Ben Simmons would fit in, or how we'd get Love for basically AB and our own #1, but it's semi-plausible  if my interpretation is right, but I need the [dang] Rosetta Stone to cut through this.

Love has way too much value for just AB and our own #1. Other teams would give better offers.

[crimson_stallion]

Is this enough for Love and Horford? And is it worth it?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h74b2dv (one big deal or broke into two deals of Bos/Cle/NOR and Bos/Atl)

Boston In: Love, Horford, Sefalosha

Cleveland In: Anderson, Bradley, 2016 Brooklyn Pick

New Orleans In: Jerebko, Olynyk, 2016 Boston Pick

Atlanta In: Lee, Sullinger, choice of 2016 Dallas pick or future Memphis pick

Would we still have enough cap space to potentially sign Durant in the offseason if we waited to sign Horford to go over the cap?

How far could this team go this season? I think we challenge Cleveland for the best team in the East.

PG: IT, Turner, Rozier
SG: Smart, Hunter,Young
SF: Crowder, Sefalosha
PF: Love, Amir, Mickey
C: Horford, Zeller

I have to say, that would be the best trade proposal I've seen so far.

It's still hurtful giving up Bradley and Olynyk for sure, but if you are getting both Horford and Love I guess it's a given you are going to have to give up some players of real value.

My only thing with this trade is the Brooklyn pick - that would be the one piece that would make me begrudgingly say no, mainly because:

* I don't feel adding either Horford or Love (or both) is a transcendent move due to so/so fit
* The risk with Love's contract
* The fact that Horford is a FA and can walk after the season

Because of those three things combined, giving up all those players AND the Brooklyn pick just hurts too much. 

I'd be happy to offer the 2018 Brooklyn pick, or even to offer them the 2017 Celtics pick (right to swap) AND the 2018 Brooklyn pick  - that's essentially giving up two future unprotected picks so we can keep the 2016 one.

But overall it is a well thought our proposal - nicely done

would you prefer Howard over Horford if the price is near the same ?

I would

A Love/Howard front court would be perfect

I like Horford over Howard because A) you can't hack Horford and B) he'd provide more spacing for Love to work down in the post more, where he really excels that Cleveland didn't take advantage of.

Also, Horford's character and work-ethic is perfect for this team, and I think he'd be much more likely to stay in Boston than Howard.

But Love doesn't work in the Post anymore - for the last three years Love has taken less than a quarter of his offense inside the restricted area, and his 53% shooting inside three feet this year is disgraceful. 

That's probably the biggest reason why a Horford/Love combination turns me off so much. 

Over the past three years Love has taken between 35%-45% of his shots outside the three point line, and 60% of his shots outside of 10 feet.  Over the past three years Horford has also taken between 50% - 60% of his shots outside of 10 feet (ant this year, 25% have been from three).

With Thomas, Smart and Crowder all being predominantly perimeter oriented players, I have some concern about adding two front-court players who also spend 60% of their time on the perimeter.

Horford is a pretty good inside scorer, so if we can leave Love on the perimeter and keep Horford down in the paint then that might work, but I'm just 50/50 on that fit to be honest.

That's kinda why I would be so more more interested in combining Love or Horford with a more traditional inside scorer like Dwight or Monroe.

But alas you kinda have to take the options you have available, and if Love + Horford is the best we can get then it's not a terrible plan B. 

[slamtheking]

Looks like the Pel's don't have to take back much salary.  If it goes down, might look something like this--

NOL gets Young, Jerebko, Bos 2016 1st
CLE gets AB, Anderson, Sully, Dal 2016 1st + the 2017 BKL swap rights
C's get Love

good lord I hope that's not it.  too much.

Young (prospect), Sully (starting PF/C), AB (starting SG), Jerebko (backup SF/PF) and 3 firsts including a Brooklyn pick for 2017 for Love?  too much.   take the Nets swap off the table.

[crimson_stallion]

Saw this on realgm, not sure about the source but...

Mark Clark @marksword

Potential Deal: Has the Pelicans with Celtics #1 pick(top 3)maybe a shot at Ben Simmons with (Cavaliers) (Ryan& Bradley)#NBATradeDeadline

so would we send brk pick to pelicns\
ab and anderson to cavs

Love to bos ?

Can't even read that. What is that supposed to be? Love to BOS, Ryno and Bradley to CLE, pick (and salary filler) to NOP?

Yeah this is some serious Twibberish (Twitter gibberish). 

Playing along, I'm really really hoping that (top 3) would mean the pick is top 3 protected, but it would have to be our #1 in that case, and therefore moot.  And the Ben Simmons reference then makes 0 sense unless the idea is that the Pelicans would now be tanking hard. 

That's it, I definitely need a translator.  Someone get an 11 year old on the phone stat.  Wait they probably don't talk on the phone....er, the textybox.

TP for putting the pieces in the right order on how this trade might go down.

It's a complete guess but I think the Pels would probably be happy with a mediocre #1 for Anderson, they've been trying to move him for a while.  And the Cavs MIGHT consider AB and Ryno a decent return for Love. 

Don't see how Ben Simmons would fit in, or how we'd get Love for basically AB and our own #1, but it's semi-plausible  if my interpretation is right, but I need the [dang] Rosetta Stone to cut through this.

Love has way too much value for just AB and our own #1. Other teams would give better offers.

I doubt it, I think you underrate the value of our assets and overrate the value of Love.

Minnesota sent Love to Cleveland and all they got was a #1 pick and some useless scraps, and this was back when Love was putting up superstar numbers.

Right now Love's trade value is the lowest it's ever been (by a mile) and given his injury history the long contract doesn't help that. 

Our pick has #1 potential, and Avery Bradley is FAR better than the garbage that Cleveland gave to Minny (wasn't it Bennett and Waiters??) so this proposal would carry fairly similar value to the one the Minny accepted from Cleveland.

The fact that Love looked like a superstar back then more than makes up for the fact that he was on an expiring contract, so that evens that out.

Pretty fair value really.

Might not be for Cleveland since they want to win now (so players are worth more than picks) but in terms of raw asset value, pretty fair.

[crimson_stallion]

Looks like the Pel's don't have to take back much salary.  If it goes down, might look something like this--

NOL gets Young, Jerebko, Bos 2016 1st
CLE gets AB, Anderson, Sully, Dal 2016 1st + the 2017 BKL swap rights
C's get Love

good lord I hope that's not it.  too much.

Young (prospect), Sully (starting PF/C), AB (starting SG), Jerebko (backup SF/PF) and 3 firsts including a Brooklyn pick for 2017 for Love?  too much.   take the Nets swap off the table.

I can actually kinda live with that. 

Boston gets Love and keeps the 2016 Nets pick...

Pelicans get the Celtics 2016 pick (which will be a mid-late first), a very raw prosepct (Young) and a 3rd tier role player (Jerebko) for Anderson

Clevleand gets Bradley, Anderson, Sully, Dallas 2016 first (mid to late 1st rounder) and the 2017 BRK pick (which I expect to go 8-12 range) for Love.

I mean I'm not the biggest fan of Love, but I think that's a pretty reasonably deal.   Maybe a bit of an overpay to Cleveleand, but not dramatically so.

[SHAQATTACK]

I hope it all is

Bunk

[guava_wrench]

...
If you look at Sully's Per 36 numbers this year and compare them to Love's Per 36 numbers, they are pretty darn close.  Love is +2 on scoring, but Sully is shoots a higher percentage (as scary as that is to say) and is rebounding at a slightly better rate.  Sully is way up on assists, and is a significant better defensive player (IMHO) than Love is.

Playing time is also a moot point since Sully averaged just under 28 MPG for the previous two seasons, and the only reason his minutes are down this year is because we have a logjam up front. 
...

Playing time is not a moot point because Sully has horrible conditioning.

And why even mention Sully's minutes from previous season if we are only going to look at Love's numbers in Cleveland? If we are going to talk about Sully's previous 2 seasons, we should also consider Love's last season in Minny.

[guava_wrench]

Looks like the Pel's don't have to take back much salary.  If it goes down, might look something like this--

NOL gets Young, Jerebko, Bos 2016 1st
CLE gets AB, Anderson, Sully, Dal 2016 1st + the 2017 BKL swap rights
C's get Love

How do you trade "swap rights"?

I think you mean the 2017 BOS pick (w/ right to swap)

We can't trade both our 2016 1st and our 2017 first. You can't trade consecutive #1s.

If you could trade swap rights, we could trade them to GS for a good return and NJ would end up with the last pick.

[slamtheking]

Looks like the Pel's don't have to take back much salary.  If it goes down, might look something like this--

NOL gets Young, Jerebko, Bos 2016 1st
CLE gets AB, Anderson, Sully, Dal 2016 1st + the 2017 BKL swap rights
C's get Love

good lord I hope that's not it.  too much.

Young (prospect), Sully (starting PF/C), AB (starting SG), Jerebko (backup SF/PF) and 3 firsts including a Brooklyn pick for 2017 for Love?  too much.   take the Nets swap off the table.

I can actually kinda live with that. 

Boston gets Love and keeps the 2016 Nets pick...

Pelicans get the Celtics 2016 pick (which will be a mid-late first), a very raw prosepct (Young) and a 3rd tier role player (Jerebko) for Anderson

Clevleand gets Bradley, Anderson, Sully, Dallas 2016 first (mid to late 1st rounder) and the 2017 BRK pick (which I expect to go 8-12 range) for Love.

I mean I'm not the biggest fan of Love, but I think that's a pretty reasonably deal.   Maybe a bit of an overpay to Cleveleand, but not dramatically so.

I don't see trades that way.  I look at them as "what's the net exchange for the C's"?  from that POV, this trade is a net overpayment for the C's.

[tazzmaniac]

Looks like the Pel's don't have to take back much salary.  If it goes down, might look something like this--

NOL gets Young, Jerebko, Bos 2016 1st
CLE gets AB, Anderson, Sully, Dal 2016 1st + the 2017 BKL swap rights
C's get Love

How do you trade "swap rights"?

I think you mean the 2017 BOS pick (w/ right to swap)

We can't trade both our 2016 1st and our 2017 first. You can't trade consecutive #1s.

If you could trade swap rights, we could trade them to GS for a good return and NJ would end up with the last pick.

We can trade our 2016 and 2017 1sts because we still have other teams' 2016 1sts.