Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.

[hwangjini_1]

Again you are telling people how they think about the 76ers and projecting your own ideas.

I'm not trying to tell anybody how they think, just trying to articulate what it seems to me is operating behind the staunch disagreement that's going on in this thread (and in others in the past).

That's based on my interpretation of what people have posted, and it's based on some impressions and assumptions of my own.  As such it's very much prone to error.  By no means do I assume it to be the gospel truth, nor am I trying to replace anybody's words or thoughts with my own. 

Just trying to diagnose the divide.  And I tried not to place value judgments on either side, by the way.  I think it's valid to say, "Hey, your job was to rebuild this team and after three years, you haven't started building a team.  That's a problem."

Nice response, nice post pho.

[action781]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

[Dino Pitino]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

[knuckleballer]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

In his resignation letter where he defended his tanking strategy, he referenced Abraham Lincoln.  That's comically over the top.

[LarBrd33]

They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 

And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   

Speculation. According to Steve Bulpett, Jimmy Butler was the mystery man at the deadline, not Okafor. Point is, we don't know, so no would be in denial in thinking that's a bogus rumor. Which it very well might be.

like I said... Denial.   It's bulpett who confirmed we almost landed Okafor:  http://nesn.com/2016/02/report-sixers-jahlil-okafor-was-celtics-target-in-mystery-trade/

Bulpett later also reported we made offers for butler.  But per bulpett  it was Okafor that ainge was referring to when he referenced offering a large package around the Brooklyn pick for a player and the other team backing out.

Funny thing is nowhere does it say the Brooklyn pick, lol. I think that was what is offered, but just funny you linked a source that doesn't speak about the BKLN pick

If you are unfamiliar with this story I'll give you the short version.

Ainge was asked if there were any deals he was close to making including the Brooklyn pick.  He said yes, there was a large package including the Brooklyn pick he was offering for a player he liked. The other team backed out last minute.   It was reported by multiple sources he was referring to Okafor.  Nobody from either side denied it.  Fans here didn't want to believe it.  Later, it comes out that we made an offer for butler close to the deadline - so those in denial want to believe it was butler who ainge was referring to... Even though it was never suggested a deal for butler was close and it's kind of a given we would have made offers for him.  We also made offers for Kevin love and I'm sure we made offers for several other notable players.  GM's make offers all the time. But Okafor was apparently the one ainge said actually came close to happening.

The fun thing about this Philly thing is it will not take long to see if guys like Okafor and Noel are truly untradeable.  Moves are inevitable.  So let's just wait and see if hinkies plan worked out.  Clearly neither side is going to budge at this point.  Either you understand the trade value of those assets and see the possibilities with Philly - or you see the 10 wins and assume they are doomed.

[Dino Pitino]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

In his resignation letter where he defended his tanking strategy, he referenced Abraham Lincoln.  That's comically over the top.

He quoted Lincoln. Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I'll spend the first four sharpening the axe. Right. It's a good quote. It's wise thinking. The people saying he's obviously full of himself because he quoted great minds have it ass-backwards. Instead of explaining the same things as if he himself had come up with the ideas, he's deferring to and crediting obvious superiors. He's not equating himself to them. He might still be full of himself anyway, but quoting Lincoln and referencing Buffett and such is the opposite of evidence for that. If anything it might show insecurity in him that he needs to justify his thoughts by tracing them to famous big brains. I get the sense there's a bit of resentment toward Hinkie for just daring to be thoughtful.

[LarBrd33]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

In his resignation letter where he defended his tanking strategy, he referenced Abraham Lincoln.  That's comically over the top.

He quoted Lincoln. Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I'll spend the first four sharpening the axe. Right. It's a good quote. It's wise thinking. The people saying he's obviously full of himself because he quoted great minds have it ass-backwards. Instead of explaining the same things as if he himself had come up with the ideas, he's deferring to and crediting obvious superiors. He's not equating himself to them. He might still be full of himself anyway, but quoting Lincoln and referencing Buffett and such is the opposite of evidence for that. If anything it might show insecurity in him that he needs to justify his thoughts by tracing them to famous big brains. I get the sense there's a bit of resentment toward Hinkie for just daring to be thoughtful.

I guess he could have just quoted Machiavelli by saying "the end justifies the means", but he went with buffet and Lincoln instead.  His point was just that the team had to be willing to take heat in the short term from those who didn't see the big picture.  They had to be willing to be misunderstood for a while.

It's the dirty secret most don't want to admit, but the last 3 years may indeed end up proving to be worth it. Just have to wait and see how they handle building the team with those assets.

For the record, as a Celtic fan I'm still rooting for them to fail. 

[greece66]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

In his resignation letter where he defended his tanking strategy, he referenced Abraham Lincoln.  That's comically over the top.

This quote is attributed to President Abraham Lincoln. However, according to Quote Investigator, there is no substantive evidence that he made this remark.

The earliest instance of these quote appears in a journal about agricultural education entitled, Increasing Understanding of Public Problems and Policies.

A woodsman (whose name remains a mystery) was once asked, “What would you do if you had just five minutes to chop down a tree?” He answered, “I would spend the first two and a half minutes sharpening my axe.” Let us take a few minutes to sharpen our perspective.

Source:

http://genius.com/Sam-hinkie-philadelphia-76ers-resignation-letter-annotated

[Dino Pitino]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

In his resignation letter where he defended his tanking strategy, he referenced Abraham Lincoln.  That's comically over the top.

This quote is attributed to President Abraham Lincoln. However, according to Quote Investigator, there is no substantive evidence that he made this remark.

The earliest instance of these quote appears in a journal about agricultural education entitled, Increasing Understanding of Public Problems and Policies.

A woodsman (whose name remains a mystery) was once asked, “What would you do if you had just five minutes to chop down a tree?” He answered, “I would spend the first two and a half minutes sharpening my axe.” Let us take a few minutes to sharpen our perspective.

Source:

http://genius.com/Sam-hinkie-philadelphia-76ers-resignation-letter-annotated

That's hilarious. He must've seen it on a lifehacker blog or something. Just accentuates how much the substance of the quote matters more than the source. "Brush your teeth!" - Nelson Mandela.

[Eddie20]

Wow, just read the letter.  Hinkie really thinks he's a genius, huh?  Such a wanna-be philosopher, he reminds me of Robert California from The Office.  I can't believe all the praise guys like Lowe are giving him.

Please specify what philosophizing in the letter you aren't impressed by.

In his resignation letter where he defended his tanking strategy, he referenced Abraham Lincoln.  That's comically over the top.

He quoted Lincoln. Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I'll spend the first four sharpening the axe. Right. It's a good quote. It's wise thinking. The people saying he's obviously full of himself because he quoted great minds have it ass-backwards. Instead of explaining the same things as if he himself had come up with the ideas, he's deferring to and crediting obvious superiors. He's not equating himself to them. He might still be full of himself anyway, but quoting Lincoln and referencing Buffett and such is the opposite of evidence for that. If anything it might show insecurity in him that he needs to justify his thoughts by tracing them to famous big brains. I get the sense there's a bit of resentment toward Hinkie for just daring to be thoughtful.

It's the dirty secret most don't want to admit, but the last 3 years may indeed end up proving to be worth it. Just have to wait and see how they handle building the team with those assets.

That's your main problem though. You keep talking about "assets", but this isn't NBA2K or fantasy basketball. What if other teams don't think those said assets are as valuable as you do? Are you going to sell low? Are you willing to punt yet another season, which devalues players like Okafor and Noel further (less years remaining on their  rookie scale deal, lack of improvement, older so perceived upside is subsequently reduced)? Hinkie created a disaster by treating the player as assets, rather than of a foundation to build upon. These are human beings, not pawns on a board, and they were put in a position to fail. Whether the Colangelo's turn this mess around or not, still doesn't change the fact that Hinkie failed miserably. Your blinded by it because you try to rationalize his approach with your obvious enthusiasm for fantasy basketball, but this is real life basketball. "The process" isn't as simplified as you make it sound.

[MBunge]

I get the sense there's a bit of resentment toward Hinkie for just daring to be thoughtful.

The only people who resent Hinkie are Sixer fans with an ounce of self-respect.

People dislike, are angered by, are disgusted by, are outraged by and are amused with Hinkie.  Those are distinct emotional states that are different and separate from resentment.

I swear, sometimes it's like Hinkie defenders live in a parallel reality that only occasionally overlaps with our own.

Mike

[MBunge]

It's the dirty secret most don't want to admit, but the last 3 years may indeed end up proving to be worth it. Just have to wait and see how they handle building the team with those assets.

For the record, as a Celtic fan I'm still rooting for them to fail.

You must live on a farm because it's the only way to get the material for all these strawmen you keep putting up.

If the ping pong balls bounce their way and Philly gets Simmons and Ingram, things could work out for them.  I could also win the lottery if I took out a loan and bought $100,000 worth of tickets.  Since you're so optimistic about the former, why don't you go out and try the latter?

And you are the type of Celtics fan who spends years obsessively defending the Philadelphia 76ers on a Celtics message board.  I'm sure Red up in Heaven is impressed with your devotion.

Mike

[Celtics18]

http://www.sporcle.com/games/naqwerty3/trust-the-process

This is a fun game to play.

How many of the players who spent time on the Sixers during Hinkie's tenure can you name?

I got 30.

That was fun.  You killed me.  I only got fifteen.

[hwangjini_1]

http://www.sporcle.com/games/naqwerty3/trust-the-process

This is a fun game to play.

How many of the players who spent time on the Sixers during Hinkie's tenure can you name?

I got 30.

That was fun.  You killed me.  I only got fifteen.

sigh. i got 3. 

[Celtics18]

http://www.sporcle.com/games/naqwerty3/trust-the-process

This is a fun game to play.

How many of the players who spent time on the Sixers during Hinkie's tenure can you name?

I got 30.

That was fun.  You killed me.  I only got fifteen.

sigh. i got 3. 

I wasted two and a half minutes trying to remember the name of the floppy haired, skinny Russian guard who played for them for a while.

I also forgot about all the previous generation Sixers like our own Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Lavoy Allen.  I thought those guys were pre-Hinkie.  Jason Richardson?