Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.

[Forza Juventus]

he is an arrogant sad little man and im glad hes gone

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

What a failure hinkie was. That's all I got to say

If they end up with #1 and #4 in this draft and trade Okafor for an established player, it starts to look less like a failure, though, doesn't it?

They don't even need it to be an established player per se, just someone that makes more sense from roster construction.

Imagine they do get Simmons at 1, Murray at 4, Saric comes over, and Embiid by some miracle is healthy.  They obviously have to move Okafor in that scenario.  Say they get a SG.

PG - Murray/Smith
SG - ?/Stauskas
SF - Saric/Thompson
PF - Simmons/Covington
C - Noel/Embiid

All of a sudden that looks like a pretty attractive young team.

Lot of growing pains. Can't see a team starting 3 rookies faring well. Could be good in a couple years, though.

Yeah.  I don't think there's any scenario in which they win a decent number of games next season, even if Simmons or Ingram is absolutely stupendous as a rookie.

Still, simply winning 20+ games, putting together a few stretches where they look competitive, and having an identifiable group of young players with star potential who can actually thrive together on the floor at the same time, would probably drastically alter the perception of them around the league and among casual fans.

They're going to spend stupid money this offseason I think. I bet most of the rookies are pretty sheltered next year.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

What does poor talent evaluation have to do with the process? No team building strategy works with a bad talent evaluator. The person executing the plan might not be the right guy, but it doesn't invalidate a pretty proven strategy.

[Eddie20]

What a failure hinkie was. That's all I got to say

If they end up with #1 and #4 in this draft and trade Okafor for an established player, it starts to look less like a failure, though, doesn't it?

They don't even need it to be an established player per se, just someone that makes more sense from roster construction.

Imagine they do get Simmons at 1, Murray at 4, Saric comes over, and Embiid by some miracle is healthy.  They obviously have to move Okafor in that scenario.  Say they get a SG.

PG - Murray/Smith
SG - ?/Stauskas
SF - Saric/Thompson
PF - Simmons/Covington
C - Noel/Embiid

All of a sudden that looks like a pretty attractive young team.

Lot of growing pains. Can't see a team starting 3 rookies faring well. Could be good in a couple years, though.

Yeah.  I don't think there's any scenario in which they win a decent number of games next season, even if Simmons or Ingram is absolutely stupendous as a rookie.

Still, simply winning 20+ games, putting together a few stretches where they look competitive, and having an identifiable group of young players with star potential who can actually thrive together on the floor at the same time, would probably drastically alter the perception of them around the league and among casual fans.

They're going to spend stupid money this offseason I think. I bet most of the rookies are pretty sheltered next year.

On who, exactly? Now ask yourself if you're that player why would you sign with that laughing stock of a franchise. Everyone has money to spend so why would a player choose the Sixers over any other organization that could offer an equal amount?

[PhoSita]

What a failure hinkie was. That's all I got to say

If they end up with #1 and #4 in this draft and trade Okafor for an established player, it starts to look less like a failure, though, doesn't it?

They don't even need it to be an established player per se, just someone that makes more sense from roster construction.

Imagine they do get Simmons at 1, Murray at 4, Saric comes over, and Embiid by some miracle is healthy.  They obviously have to move Okafor in that scenario.  Say they get a SG.

PG - Murray/Smith
SG - ?/Stauskas
SF - Saric/Thompson
PF - Simmons/Covington
C - Noel/Embiid

All of a sudden that looks like a pretty attractive young team.

Lot of growing pains. Can't see a team starting 3 rookies faring well. Could be good in a couple years, though.

Yeah.  I don't think there's any scenario in which they win a decent number of games next season, even if Simmons or Ingram is absolutely stupendous as a rookie.

Still, simply winning 20+ games, putting together a few stretches where they look competitive, and having an identifiable group of young players with star potential who can actually thrive together on the floor at the same time, would probably drastically alter the perception of them around the league and among casual fans.

They're going to spend stupid money this offseason I think. I bet most of the rookies are pretty sheltered next year.

What, like max out Bazemore and Luol Deng or something?  They'll have to drastically overpay middle of the road players to get anybody who's starter-caliber.

[mctyson]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

This article is PERFECT. 

[mctyson]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

What does poor talent evaluation have to do with the process? No team building strategy works with a bad talent evaluator. The person executing the plan might not be the right guy, but it doesn't invalidate a pretty proven strategy.

This is a joke, right?

[Emmette Bryant]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

What does poor talent evaluation have to do with the process? No team building strategy works with a bad talent evaluator. The person executing the plan might not be the right guy, but it doesn't invalidate a pretty proven strategy.

Are you trying to be funny funny or ironic funny?  I have to admit sometimes I can't tell the difference.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

What does poor talent evaluation have to do with the process? No team building strategy works with a bad talent evaluator. The person executing the plan might not be the right guy, but it doesn't invalidate a pretty proven strategy.

Are you trying to be funny funny or ironic funny?  I have to admit sometimes I can't tell the difference.

Neither. He didn't draft well enough. That doesn't invalidate the plan, it just means he was the wrong guy to implement. Deadspin is pretty clueless, and that article is par for the course. If he had Gmthe Greek Freek and Porzingis he'd look like a genius. His "process" worked, he just hasn't done a great job of capitalizing on the picks.

Please list the team building methods that work without good talent evaluation.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

What a failure hinkie was. That's all I got to say

If they end up with #1 and #4 in this draft and trade Okafor for an established player, it starts to look less like a failure, though, doesn't it?

They don't even need it to be an established player per se, just someone that makes more sense from roster construction.

Imagine they do get Simmons at 1, Murray at 4, Saric comes over, and Embiid by some miracle is healthy.  They obviously have to move Okafor in that scenario.  Say they get a SG.

PG - Murray/Smith
SG - ?/Stauskas
SF - Saric/Thompson
PF - Simmons/Covington
C - Noel/Embiid

All of a sudden that looks like a pretty attractive young team.

Lot of growing pains. Can't see a team starting 3 rookies faring well. Could be good in a couple years, though.

Yeah.  I don't think there's any scenario in which they win a decent number of games next season, even if Simmons or Ingram is absolutely stupendous as a rookie.

Still, simply winning 20+ games, putting together a few stretches where they look competitive, and having an identifiable group of young players with star potential who can actually thrive together on the floor at the same time, would probably drastically alter the perception of them around the league and among casual fans.

They're going to spend stupid money this offseason I think. I bet most of the rookies are pretty sheltered next year.

What, like max out Bazemore and Luol Deng or something?  They'll have to drastically overpay middle of the road players to get anybody who's starter-caliber.

Take a look at the career of Bryan Colangelo. That's pretty much what he does, and yes that's exactly what I'm expecting.

[Dino Pitino]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

What does poor talent evaluation have to do with the process? No team building strategy works with a bad talent evaluator. The person executing the plan might not be the right guy, but it doesn't invalidate a pretty proven strategy.

Are you trying to be funny funny or ironic funny?  I have to admit sometimes I can't tell the difference.

Neither. He didn't draft well enough. That doesn't invalidate the plan, it just means he was the wrong guy to implement. Deadspin is pretty clueless, and that article is par for the course. If he had Gmthe Greek Freek and Porzingis he'd look like a genius. His "process" worked, he just hasn't done a great job of capitalizing on the picks.

Please list the team building methods that work without good talent evaluation.

He wouldn't look like a genius if he'd taken Steven Adams over Nerlens Noel. That's the moment I knew I was reading a Deadspin article written by a moron.

[mctyson]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

What does poor talent evaluation have to do with the process? No team building strategy works with a bad talent evaluator. The person executing the plan might not be the right guy, but it doesn't invalidate a pretty proven strategy.

Are you trying to be funny funny or ironic funny?  I have to admit sometimes I can't tell the difference.

Neither. He didn't draft well enough. That doesn't invalidate the plan, it just means he was the wrong guy to implement. Deadspin is pretty clueless, and that article is par for the course. If he had Gmthe Greek Freek and Porzingis he'd look like a genius. His "process" worked, he just hasn't done a great job of capitalizing on the picks.

Please list the team building methods that work without good talent evaluation.

Yes, it by definition completely invalidates the plan, because it was his plan to build through the draft. 

He resigned because his "process" failed - his bosses brought in other guys who know more about basketball than he does.  That's kind of a bad thing if you are a GM.

[LarBrd33]

http://deadspin.com/the-idea-behind-the-process-is-wrong-and-always-has-be-1769688492

"The simple fact of the matter is that in three years Sam Hinkie showed that he was a poor talent evaluator. Nerlens Noel isn’t Steven Adams or Rudy Gobert, Michael Carter-Williams isn’t Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid isn’t Aaron Gordon, Jahlil Okafor isn’t Kristaps Porzingis. Hinkie drafted over 10 players in the second round and tore through D-Leaguers and end-of-the-benchers via trade and ended up with just one (or maybe two) back-of-the-rotation players. One of the few times he did find something resembling real talent in the second round—K.J. McDaniels—Hinkie offered the player an insulting contract and soon traded him."

Exceptionally stupid article.  Unless you're saying hinkie should have traded down to take even greater gambles, the guys he selected were very clearly the best player available every year.  Most of the people writing about the process don't understand the process.  The process is still happening.  Embiid's health is still a question but it's one that could be answered soundly next year.   Okafor is still plenty valuable. 

[PAOBoston]

The situation in Philly is a dumpster fire. The organization made the conscious decision to hire Hinkie and agreed with his "vision" of being a 10 win team for 5-7 years until they drafted a superstar. If they agreed then, I don't get their about face with the Colangelo signing and forcing out of Hinkie. To me, this screams that the heads that make the NBA go did not agree with the super tanking strategy and probably gave the Philly brass some sort of nudge/pressure to improve ASAP. A big market like that being that bad for that long is not good for the NBA.

This is not to say that Hinkie was or was not on the "right" path. Personally, I think their plan was overall stupid. Yes, I agree with stripping the team down, getting picks, and freeing up cap space. BUT the point is to improve, something which was lost in the plan. Also, out of their treasure trove of draft picks, only 2 of them have shown any real promise (Noel, Okafor) while the rest have not even played an NBA minute yet (and quite frankly, I'm not even sure what kind of value a draft-n-stash guy and a big man project that has sat out with foot injuries the first 2 years of his NBA career really have).

[Dino Pitino]

Embiid and Saric aren't Fails yet, they're Incompletes. Okafor isn't Kristaps, but he's also not a bad pick. Noel was a good pick. MCW was probably a bad pick, but very quickly got turned into a mulligan. It's only been three years. Hinkie did not actually fail as a drafter. Not yet. That Deadspin article is STUPID.