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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #465 on: April 08, 2016, 08:28:36 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
And this is where we hit a brick wall, because I wholeheartedly think this comment is completely off base and you aren't going to budge from it.  And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   

Noel and Okafor still have tremendous trade value.  And frankly some fans here should be embarrassed that they defend the trade value of someone like Marcus smart who shoots 17% from three while genuinely believing a guy like Okafor is worth a late 1st mid way through a rookie season averaging close to 20 and 10.  It reflects poorly on the intelligence of this forum when people think that way.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #466 on: April 08, 2016, 08:47:33 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   
Speculation. According to Steve Bulpett, Jimmy Butler was the mystery man at the deadline, not Okafor. Point is, we don't know, so no would be in denial in thinking that's a bogus rumor. Which it very well might be.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #467 on: April 08, 2016, 08:53:43 PM »

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Again you are telling people how they think about the 76ers and projecting your own ideas.


I'm not trying to tell anybody how they think, just trying to articulate what it seems to me is operating behind the staunch disagreement that's going on in this thread (and in others in the past).

That's based on my interpretation of what people have posted, and it's based on some impressions and assumptions of my own.  As such it's very much prone to error.  By no means do I assume it to be the gospel truth, nor am I trying to replace anybody's words or thoughts with my own. 

Just trying to diagnose the divide.  And I tried not to place value judgments on either side, by the way.  I think it's valid to say, "Hey, your job was to rebuild this team and after three years, you haven't started building a team.  That's a problem."
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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #468 on: April 08, 2016, 08:56:26 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   
Speculation. According to Steve Bulpett, Jimmy Butler was the mystery man at the deadline, not Okafor. Point is, we don't know, so no would be in denial in thinking that's a bogus rumor. Which it very well might be.
like I said... Denial.   It's bulpett who confirmed we almost landed Okafor:  http://nesn.com/2016/02/report-sixers-jahlil-okafor-was-celtics-target-in-mystery-trade/

Bulpett later also reported we made offers for butler.  But per bulpett  it was Okafor that ainge was referring to when he referenced offering a large package around the Brooklyn pick for a player and the other team backing out.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #469 on: April 08, 2016, 09:04:09 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   
Speculation. According to Steve Bulpett, Jimmy Butler was the mystery man at the deadline, not Okafor. Point is, we don't know, so no would be in denial in thinking that's a bogus rumor. Which it very well might be.
like I said... Denial.   It's bulpett who confirmed we almost landed Okafor:  http://nesn.com/2016/02/report-sixers-jahlil-okafor-was-celtics-target-in-mystery-trade/

Bulpett later also reported we made offers for butler.  But per bulpett  it was Okafor that ainge was referring to when he referenced offering a large package around the Brooklyn pick for a player and the other team backing out.
Which is why I said we don't know. I don't know why you pick and choose which rumors to believe. Numerous people, including your favorite Lowe, says he didn't think it was Okafor.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #470 on: April 08, 2016, 09:12:42 PM »

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Great ingredients don't make a great meal.

You need someone who can put it all together.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #471 on: April 08, 2016, 09:16:54 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
Mike, I tried a "Hail Mary" thought experiment with Eddie yesterday asking a series of questions that I hoped would finally get him to understand the fascination with Philly.  He predictably ignored the questions.

I'll try something similar with you.  You obviously think highly of your roster analysis abilities so here's a series of questions for you.

#1 - In your mind, are Okafor, Saric and Noel untradeable at this point?  I assume you don't believe the widespread reports that we offered the Brooklyn pick and additional assets for Okafor, but step beyond that... Do you genuinely believe they can't be traded ?

#2 - in your mind, is Philly's guaranteed top 4 pick less valuable than the Brooklyn pick?

#3 - In your mind, what do you see as the greatest weaknesses/needs of Philly's roster right now?

#4 -  In your mind, could philly fill any of those weaknesses by trading any of their assets ?

#5 -  In your mind, could Philly fill any of those weaknesses via multiple 1st rounders and 80 million in cap space this summer ?

#6 -  In your mind, is it possible for anyone to accurately predict what Philly's needs will be before the draft and free agency or does too much depend on lotto balls and the swaying market?

You don't even need to answer out loud.  I'm pretty confident that if you are honest with your answers you'll understand exactly what I mean when I say Philly could have traded their assets to build a more balanced roster at any time - they just didn't want to.   Why fill needs today when you don't know what your needs will be.  What if they had taken Marcus smart for Noel and ended up with a guard as the best player available in the draft ?  Suddenly they'd have the same problem with a different position.

If you actually look at the assets Philly has amassed and think through their options, it becomes extremely clear why they decided to tank through the season and address the issues in the Summer.  What their needs are today are not necessarily the same needs they will have in August. 
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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #472 on: April 08, 2016, 09:22:46 PM »

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Great ingredients don't make a great meal.

You need someone who can put it all together.
Agreed.  Hinkie was great at getting the ingredients. I don't know if he's a chef tho.  It will be interesting to see what Philly's new chef decides to make now that the kitchen is stocked and they are ready to start cooking.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #473 on: April 08, 2016, 10:07:43 PM »

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Great ingredients don't make a great meal.

You need someone who can put it all together.
Agreed.  Hinkie was great at getting the ingredients. I don't know if he's a chef tho.  It will be interesting to see what Philly's new chef decides to make now that the kitchen is stocked and they are ready to start cooking.

But then you need the right coach.   That's an important piece.  This could take a LONG time.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #474 on: April 08, 2016, 10:17:55 PM »

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #475 on: April 08, 2016, 10:20:39 PM »

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Great ingredients don't make a great meal.

You need someone who can put it all together.
Agreed.  Hinkie was great at getting the ingredients. I don't know if he's a chef tho.  It will be interesting to see what Philly's new chef decides to make now that the kitchen is stocked and they are ready to start cooking.

Just because you repeat the same nonsense doesn't make it a fact. Let me know when you're ready to make another horrible prediction, so I can update my signature for next season.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #476 on: April 08, 2016, 10:28:15 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   
Speculation. According to Steve Bulpett, Jimmy Butler was the mystery man at the deadline, not Okafor. Point is, we don't know, so no would be in denial in thinking that's a bogus rumor. Which it very well might be.
like I said... Denial.   It's bulpett who confirmed we almost landed Okafor:  http://nesn.com/2016/02/report-sixers-jahlil-okafor-was-celtics-target-in-mystery-trade/

Bulpett later also reported we made offers for butler.  But per bulpett  it was Okafor that ainge was referring to when he referenced offering a large package around the Brooklyn pick for a player and the other team backing out.

Couldn't it be that the C's were engaged in a 3 team deal that would've netted Butler, Nets 1st rd pick to Philly, and Chicago raised Okafor to the Bulls? This seems much more likely as Okafor looks like an awful fit in Stevens' offense and trading for a player that had an off-court incident, just a couple of months prior in Boston, seems odd at best.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #477 on: April 08, 2016, 10:38:35 PM »

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #478 on: April 08, 2016, 10:47:21 PM »

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #479 on: April 08, 2016, 10:49:01 PM »

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They could have traded assets and built a more balanced team at any time. 

No they couldn't.  The values of Noel and Okafor are as low right as any time in their careers. 
And it's why so many folks like you are in denial when you hear Boston tried offering several assets, including the Brooklyn 1st, for Okafor as recently as the trade deadline.   
Speculation. According to Steve Bulpett, Jimmy Butler was the mystery man at the deadline, not Okafor. Point is, we don't know, so no would be in denial in thinking that's a bogus rumor. Which it very well might be.
like I said... Denial.   It's bulpett who confirmed we almost landed Okafor:  http://nesn.com/2016/02/report-sixers-jahlil-okafor-was-celtics-target-in-mystery-trade/

Bulpett later also reported we made offers for butler.  But per bulpett  it was Okafor that ainge was referring to when he referenced offering a large package around the Brooklyn pick for a player and the other team backing out.

Funny thing is nowhere does it say the Brooklyn pick, lol. I think that was what is offered, but just funny you linked a source that doesn't speak about the BKLN pick
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