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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #255 on: December 15, 2015, 10:00:24 AM »

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"I have to mentor and I have to advise, and I mean that across the board -- ownership, coaching," Colangelo said Sunday. "Brett has been on the phone with me a lot. There aren't a lot of basketball people in the organization. And then with Sam, I've been there and done that, and I'm trying to help, move things along."


Pretty [dang]ing about the Sixers front office.

Sounds like they got too many stats guys and not enough basketball voices to provide a balanced point of view. Too many similar minds with limited basketball backgrounds.

 
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After the news conference announcing Brown's extension, Hinkie said he welcomed Colangelo and his extensive contacts.

"My network and his network don't overlap a lot," Hinkie said. "The folks I have on speed dial and the folks he has on speed dial are very different. He has deep and wide relationships with the best players in the world, particularly the best players in our country. I don't think that's going to be a panacea immediately, but I'd be shocked if that doesn't help us over time."

Makes a lot of sense, when you look at the moves they've made.  Good sense on paper, from a purely theoretical, big picture standpoint. 

A lot of poor moves with respect to managing relationships and actually making it work on the floor.

Hiring Colangelo might mean that Hinkie is basically done.  That's probably what's going on here.  That said, hiring a traditional basketball mind to help cover Hinkie's blind spots in that area would make a ton of sense.

Probably shoulda done that when they hired Hinkie to begin "The Process," though.

Hinkie should be done.  What he and the owner have done to a once-proud NBA franchise is disgusting.  If this was playing out in Charlotte or New Orleans no one would care.  Vancouver should have done this at one point.  The Clippers did it for almost 2 decades and got away with it because they had a more important team sharing their gym

I don't see how anyone can give this guy credit for doing a good job.  I could run the 76ers just as well.
except it wasn't Hinkie that made the Bynum trade and put the Sixers on this path
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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #256 on: December 18, 2015, 03:44:34 PM »

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #257 on: December 18, 2015, 03:53:05 PM »

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I'm not sure why you'd hire a basketball guy until you were ready to actually try winning basketball games.   

Because managing a basketball franchise is about more than moving numbers or names around on a ledger sheet.  It's more than playing a strategy board game.  There are people involved.

Sure, Hinkie can design and execute "The Process" to maximize their chances of lottery picks, but even once you've got those superstar prospects in place, you need to have relationships with players, agents, other GMs, and the league office in order to successfully build the team beyond that point. 

I don't think it's arguable that Hinkie's actions (or inaction) were sabotaging the franchise in those areas.
I don't think any of that mattered.  I expect that at least 5 of their 6 top players next season aren't playing on the team this year... so who cares if it's a mess in the short-term.  What "foundation" are you setting up if it's an entirely different roster a year from now?   Most of these guys are pure assets.   Waste of time to try to make it a functional basketball team at this point.   Most of those guys are there as buy-low options who will get inflated stats on a horrible team and then get flipped for 2nd rounders... or they are there to literally help them lose games so they can increase the value of their draft pick.    Only Noel and Okafor matter both of those kids will retain value into the offseason barring injury.  Highly doubtful they are both on Philly next season. 

Now is a good time to bring in a basketball guy, though... so they can start to take steps towards building an actual team this summer.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #258 on: January 14, 2016, 10:13:29 PM »

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240440/Jerry-Colangelo-No-Change-Of-Course-For-76ers-Plan

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Jerry Colangelo believes the Philadelphia 76ers will improve their record sooner rather than later. Colangelo also admitted that Sam Hinkie has done a good job of accumulating assets.

"There's no guarantee, but the thing you have to do is give people hope," Colangelo said to reporters after attending the Sixers practice at PCOM. "This isn't like, let's look down the road five years and see where we are. No, I don't see that at all. I see the opportunity here to get some big things done over the next year."

Colangelo was hired to help Hinkie accelerate his timeline.

"There's one way to go here and that's up," Colangelo said. "I'm very optimistic [and], you've got to be a little bit lucky, too, in terms of all the things I'm talking about. I use the expression, 'The stars have to be aligned,' and if we have a good alignment, it could happen in '16. So, we could have a turnaround in one year that would surprise people."

Hinkie has been to Phoenix several times to confer with Colangelo.

"As far as the plan, whatever people think the plan is, nothing is changing as far as a course," Colangelo said. "The reality is, and I've come to understand this, that Sam has really done a great job of accumulating assets. Now, it's a matter of when do you pull the trigger on using all those assets. So, as I look at the board, if you will, I see some things that could happen sooner than later."

So basically... tank until the Summer as intended and deal with it then.


Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #259 on: January 14, 2016, 10:50:12 PM »

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240440/Jerry-Colangelo-No-Change-Of-Course-For-76ers-Plan

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Jerry Colangelo believes the Philadelphia 76ers will improve their record sooner rather than later. Colangelo also admitted that Sam Hinkie has done a good job of accumulating assets.

"There's no guarantee, but the thing you have to do is give people hope," Colangelo said to reporters after attending the Sixers practice at PCOM. "This isn't like, let's look down the road five years and see where we are. No, I don't see that at all. I see the opportunity here to get some big things done over the next year."

Colangelo was hired to help Hinkie accelerate his timeline.

"There's one way to go here and that's up," Colangelo said. "I'm very optimistic [and], you've got to be a little bit lucky, too, in terms of all the things I'm talking about. I use the expression, 'The stars have to be aligned,' and if we have a good alignment, it could happen in '16. So, we could have a turnaround in one year that would surprise people."

Hinkie has been to Phoenix several times to confer with Colangelo.

"As far as the plan, whatever people think the plan is, nothing is changing as far as a course," Colangelo said. "The reality is, and I've come to understand this, that Sam has really done a great job of accumulating assets. Now, it's a matter of when do you pull the trigger on using all those assets. So, as I look at the board, if you will, I see some things that could happen sooner than later."

So basically... tank until the Summer as intended and deal with it then.
He never said that.  He said when the proper deal presents itself he will pull the trigger.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #260 on: January 14, 2016, 11:13:33 PM »

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240440/Jerry-Colangelo-No-Change-Of-Course-For-76ers-Plan

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Jerry Colangelo believes the Philadelphia 76ers will improve their record sooner rather than later. Colangelo also admitted that Sam Hinkie has done a good job of accumulating assets.

"There's no guarantee, but the thing you have to do is give people hope," Colangelo said to reporters after attending the Sixers practice at PCOM. "This isn't like, let's look down the road five years and see where we are. No, I don't see that at all. I see the opportunity here to get some big things done over the next year."

Colangelo was hired to help Hinkie accelerate his timeline.

"There's one way to go here and that's up," Colangelo said. "I'm very optimistic [and], you've got to be a little bit lucky, too, in terms of all the things I'm talking about. I use the expression, 'The stars have to be aligned,' and if we have a good alignment, it could happen in '16. So, we could have a turnaround in one year that would surprise people."

Hinkie has been to Phoenix several times to confer with Colangelo.

"As far as the plan, whatever people think the plan is, nothing is changing as far as a course," Colangelo said. "The reality is, and I've come to understand this, that Sam has really done a great job of accumulating assets. Now, it's a matter of when do you pull the trigger on using all those assets. So, as I look at the board, if you will, I see some things that could happen sooner than later."

So basically... tank until the Summer as intended and deal with it then.
He never said that.  He said when the proper deal presents itself he will pull the trigger.

He reads what he wants to read. I wonder if there are Sixers fans in every team's forum or are we just really "lucky"?

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #261 on: January 14, 2016, 11:26:59 PM »

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #262 on: January 15, 2016, 12:36:10 AM »

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240440/Jerry-Colangelo-No-Change-Of-Course-For-76ers-Plan

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Jerry Colangelo believes the Philadelphia 76ers will improve their record sooner rather than later. Colangelo also admitted that Sam Hinkie has done a good job of accumulating assets.

"There's no guarantee, but the thing you have to do is give people hope," Colangelo said to reporters after attending the Sixers practice at PCOM. "This isn't like, let's look down the road five years and see where we are. No, I don't see that at all. I see the opportunity here to get some big things done over the next year."

Colangelo was hired to help Hinkie accelerate his timeline.

"There's one way to go here and that's up," Colangelo said. "I'm very optimistic [and], you've got to be a little bit lucky, too, in terms of all the things I'm talking about. I use the expression, 'The stars have to be aligned,' and if we have a good alignment, it could happen in '16. So, we could have a turnaround in one year that would surprise people."

Hinkie has been to Phoenix several times to confer with Colangelo.

"As far as the plan, whatever people think the plan is, nothing is changing as far as a course," Colangelo said. "The reality is, and I've come to understand this, that Sam has really done a great job of accumulating assets. Now, it's a matter of when do you pull the trigger on using all those assets. So, as I look at the board, if you will, I see some things that could happen sooner than later."

So basically... tank until the Summer as intended and deal with it then.
He never said that.  He said when the proper deal presents itself he will pull the trigger.
Oh... so before Colangelo, they weren't willing to pull the trigger on a "proper deal"?



As I've been saying all along and Colango explicitly confirmed... "nothing is changing as far as a course"

If they have a chance to trade one of their guys or their 1st for a star, I'm sure they'll do it.  I'm sure they would have done that regardless of Colangelo being there.   

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #263 on: January 15, 2016, 06:56:12 AM »

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He never said that the goal is to tank for the rest of the season, and as a matter of fact, the Ish Smith and Elton Brand deals show that the Sixers have in fact changed course.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #264 on: January 15, 2016, 08:33:58 AM »

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He never said that the goal is to tank for the rest of the season, and as a matter of fact, the Ish Smith and Elton Brand deals show that the Sixers have in fact changed course.
those players aren't a change in course at all. 
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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #265 on: January 15, 2016, 08:55:46 AM »

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Oh... so before Colangelo, they weren't willing to pull the trigger on a "proper deal"?



As I've been saying all along and Colango explicitly confirmed... "nothing is changing as far as a course"

If they have a chance to trade one of their guys or their 1st for a star, I'm sure they'll do it.  I'm sure they would have done that regardless of Colangelo being there.

LarBrd33, do you take Danny Ainge's and every other NBA GM's statements COMPLETELY at face value or is that just a courtesy you grant Philly?

I feel like we've now entered genuine conspiracy theory territory here, where every piece of information merely confirms the underlying delusion.  The suggestion that Colangelo is there to just rubber stamp whatever Hinkie was/is already doing defies rational explanation.  Every reasonable interpretation of the facts supports the argument that Philly ownership was not happy with how things have worked out but are too materially invested in "The Process" to pull the plug, so they went looking for someone to turn to for advice/direction other than Hinkie.

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #266 on: January 15, 2016, 09:09:06 AM »

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The most likely time they will make a big move is the summer.



What is so shocking about that?     


Is it any different then the most likely time the Celtics will make the big move? 





It comes down to this, when are such moves most likely to be available? 





Now, may there be a few more small in season moves that may happen?   Sure.  But not the "franchise altering" move.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #267 on: January 15, 2016, 09:11:05 AM »

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He never said that the goal is to tank for the rest of the season, and as a matter of fact, the Ish Smith and Elton Brand deals show that the Sixers have in fact changed course.
those players aren't a change in course at all.
Those are exactly the kind of moves that Hinkie was opposed to until Colangelo came along.  They would always get rid of marginal veterans to aquire second round picks, not the other way around.  It's completely opposite from what they have been doing.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #268 on: January 15, 2016, 09:49:08 AM »

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He never said that the goal is to tank for the rest of the season, and as a matter of fact, the Ish Smith and Elton Brand deals show that the Sixers have in fact changed course.
those players aren't a change in course at all.
Those are exactly the kind of moves that Hinkie was opposed to until Colangelo came along.  They would always get rid of marginal veterans to aquire second round picks, not the other way around.  It's completely opposite from what they have been doing.
agreed.  Ish showed he was one of the better players in Philly last time he was there and had a positive aspect for their play.  reacquiring him has improved their play.  they're no playoff team but they're less of a disaster since he's returned.   not seeing an impact from Brand but he may be bringing that vet presense to the lockerroom that's been mentioned

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #269 on: January 15, 2016, 09:55:49 AM »

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He never said that the goal is to tank for the rest of the season, and as a matter of fact, the Ish Smith and Elton Brand deals show that the Sixers have in fact changed course.
those players aren't a change in course at all.
Those are exactly the kind of moves that Hinkie was opposed to until Colangelo came along.  They would always get rid of marginal veterans to aquire second round picks, not the other way around.  It's completely opposite from what they have been doing.
except Hinkie was actually talking with Brand before Colango was hired.  Brand and everyone else confirmed this. 
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