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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #330 on: April 07, 2016, 01:26:51 AM »

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Someone stab me with a pick axe. We just signed the guy who drafted Bargs #1 to run a war room that could have 2 top 5 picks and will have at least 3 firsts.

Bryan Colangelo smh. Hinkie botched the Okafor pick, but it's hard to hate on most of his other moves. He probably needed to do more, especially at PG... but now he's being replaced by Doug Collins 2.0.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #331 on: April 07, 2016, 01:33:07 AM »

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It might work out for Philly in the long run, but I hope not.  Three years of intentionally putrid basketball is unacceptable to me.  It's not fair to the fans or the players on the team.

Go check the Sixers page... Most of us aren't happy with this. Also, I'd take 3 intentionally bad years with top 5 picks over the decade of unintentionally terrible basketball that preceded Sam's tenure.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #332 on: April 07, 2016, 01:56:29 AM »

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Someone stab me with a pick axe. We just signed the guy who drafted Bargs #1 to run a war room that could have 2 top 5 picks and will have at least 3 firsts.

Bryan Colangelo smh. Hinkie botched the Okafor pick, but it's hard to hate on most of his other moves. He probably needed to do more, especially at PG... but now he's being replaced by Doug Collins 2.0.
Bargnani was a reasonable pick. LMA would have been better, but the other best players in that draft were picked outside the lottery. I'm also not sure that those other players did more for the teams that drafted them than Bargnani did outside of Rondo. And it isn't like the teams that drafted Lowry, Milsap, Redick, and Gay got anything back when those players moved on to other teams.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #333 on: April 07, 2016, 02:01:09 AM »

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Hinkie had to go for their assets to not be wasted. He did a great job acquiring assets, but what happens to players when they know that management doesn't actually want to win games?

The only way to get the young players to believe that the team is serious about trying to be respectable each game is to clean house up top.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #334 on: April 07, 2016, 02:03:48 AM »

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Someone stab me with a pick axe. We just signed the guy who drafted Bargs #1 to run a war room that could have 2 top 5 picks and will have at least 3 firsts.

Bryan Colangelo smh. Hinkie botched the Okafor pick, but it's hard to hate on most of his other moves. He probably needed to do more, especially at PG... but now he's being replaced by Doug Collins 2.0.
Bargnani was a reasonable pick. LMA would have been better, but the other best players in that draft were picked outside the lottery. I'm also not sure that those other players did more for the teams that drafted them than Bargnani did outside of Rondo. And it isn't like the teams that drafted Lowry, Milsap, Redick, and Gay got anything back when those players moved on to other teams.

It's not like the rest of his moves were any better. His stint in Toronto was brutal.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #335 on: April 07, 2016, 02:14:36 AM »

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I feel bad for 76er fans in the sense that most of them are too casual to see how good they have it.  That team can be very good very quickly if they make the right moves.  Hinkie did a fine job collecting assets, but has no track record of building a team.   Have to laugh when I see comments like "Philly botched the Okafor pick".  No they didn't.  As long as they have GM's like ainge willing to pay a hefty price for Okafor, they haven't botched anything. 

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #336 on: April 07, 2016, 03:03:41 AM »

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I don't think I'll ever fully understand why people got so riled up about the Hinkie Sixers.

It was an all-in strategy, one apparently approved by ownership.

Hinkie didn't execute it perfectly.  Most notably he was a bit tone deaf with PR and dealing with agents.  But he never made any moves that defied basic logic.

Purveying the notion that its ok to get curb-stomped 9 games out of 10 to young talented basketball players didn't defy logic to you?


No, because most of the fervent arguments against "tanking" ultimately rely on appeals to intangible things player motivation, team culture, and so on.  None of that's really based on logic.

Im not quite sure what you're implying. If its that being forced to be a perpetual loser at your job doesn't seriously affect your confidence, then you're incorrect. It doesnt matter if you cant measure it statistically to back up an argument. Its real.

The teams were always going to lose 60 games plus. Hinkie knew it, everyone knew it, the players knew it. That's not healthy for developing a team that you eventually want to WIN games. Sit back in the GM armchair and argue for the method until you're blue in the face.


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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #337 on: April 07, 2016, 03:14:39 AM »

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I don't think I'll ever fully understand why people got so riled up about the Hinkie Sixers.

It was an all-in strategy, one apparently approved by ownership.

Hinkie didn't execute it perfectly.  Most notably he was a bit tone deaf with PR and dealing with agents.  But he never made any moves that defied basic logic.

Purveying the notion that its ok to get curb-stomped 9 games out of 10 to young talented basketball players didn't defy logic to you?


No, because most of the fervent arguments against "tanking" ultimately rely on appeals to intangible things player motivation, team culture, and so on.  None of that's really based on logic.

Im not quite sure what you're implying. If its that being forced to be a perpetual loser at your job doesn't seriously affect your confidence, then you're incorrect. It doesnt matter if you cant measure it statistically to back up an argument. Its real.

The teams were always going to lose 60 games plus. Hinkie knew it, everyone knew it, the players knew it. That's not healthy for developing a team that you eventually want to WIN games. Sit back in the GM armchair and argue for the method until you're blue in the face.

Ehhh that didn't happen till this year. I think you're wayyy overselling it.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #338 on: April 07, 2016, 04:10:15 AM »

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The lesson in the Hinkie story is that you need to fail like everyone else. If you label something/admit the obvious, lose your job and rep.
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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #339 on: April 07, 2016, 04:34:16 AM »

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http://espn.go.com/pdf/2016/0406/nba_hinkie_redact.pdf

Amazing letter.

I want Ainge to hire Hinkie immediately as a future replacement, and to keep him away from all our competitors. He'd fit right in, because I bet Ainge and the rest of the Celtics front office will smile and nod vigorously throughout the whole letter as they read it, because I bet it almost totally describes their approach, too. Because it's the smartest approach, period.

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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #340 on: April 07, 2016, 05:41:05 AM »

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Hinkie is the scapegoat but in reality he did a good job. Aside from the lack of veteran presence he did everything that was on the roadmap. But sometimes that's the way it goes. In a few years time if the Sixers are in the playoffs people will say it is because of the Coangelo's but it reality they will have a lot to thank Sam Hinkie for

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #341 on: April 07, 2016, 06:36:26 AM »

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Someone stab me with a pick axe. We just signed the guy who drafted Bargs #1 to run a war room that could have 2 top 5 picks and will have at least 3 firsts.

Bryan Colangelo smh. Hinkie botched the Okafor pick, but it's hard to hate on most of his other moves. He probably needed to do more, especially at PG... but now he's being replaced by Doug Collins 2.0.

Yuck ... Bryan Colangelo ruined Toronto's chances of building a title contender. I expect he'll do the same to Philadelphia. I'd definitely rather trust Hinkie than choose someone who has shown himself to be nothing more than an average to below average GM for 10+ years.

I am guessing this is the end of the head coach too. Colangelo will want his own coach. Probably make D'Antoni head coach. Try to build Phoenix Suns 2.0 in Philly. Which will be another downgrade.

Hinkie > Colangelo
Brett Brown > D'Antoni

Owners showing themselves as shortsighted and incompetent as well.

Bad days for Philadelphia ... downgrading key leadership positions across the board.

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #342 on: April 07, 2016, 06:48:27 AM »

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Looking forward, who thinks Sam Hinkie could do a great job as Sacramento's GM?

Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #343 on: April 07, 2016, 07:35:13 AM »

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I'm pretty surprised by this. Wasn't he executing the plan exactly as it was laid out? Isn't the team right where it's supposed to be at this point in the "proccess"? Was he fired because everyone just thought he was ****?

If the 76ers turn into a powerhouse in 4 years with players drafted with picks he acquired, I wonder if he'll be remembered.
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Re: Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.
« Reply #344 on: April 07, 2016, 08:09:09 AM »

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I feel bad for 76er fans in the sense that most of them are too casual to see how good they have it.  That team can be very good very quickly if they make the right moves.  Hinkie did a fine job collecting assets, but has no track record of building a team.   Have to laugh when I see comments like "Philly botched the Okafor pick".  No they didn't.  As long as they have GM's like ainge willing to pay a hefty price for Okafor, they haven't botched anything.
You mean Butler.