Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.

[celticsclay]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there.  Maurice Williams wasn't going to go there either.  Neither was David West.  Those guys aren't going to Philly.  The kind of veteran they could get by overpaying is not the guy that will go play for a contender for a veteran minimum type deal (I realize Bass isn't on a contender, but I'm sure he thought LA would be a lot better than it is).  The guys they could get wouldn't move the needle at all.  The team would be just as bad, but would have veterans.  Wippy Do.  Who cares.  A guy that has no future in the league beyond a season or two, who isn't going to contribute wins at all, isn't worth signing.  At least the young guys might hit (like Covington).  Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

As has been said by the coach himself, he wishes they had more veterans and he makes a difference. They like the coach and are offering him an extension so they must not disagree with his comments. Obviously the word from the horses mouth is a lot more valuable than your opinion.

[Eddie20]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Do you have any idea how you ridiculous you sound when you say things like that?

You would have much more credibility if you just say you were wrong about their plan, Embiid's injury, the talent you thought they had amassed, thinking they were smart in selecting players that would miss seasons based on injury (Noel & Embiid) or other issues (Saric) and after all that losing the best they have to show for it is a player who's upside is that of a Big Al/Zach Randolph type with off-court baggage.

[CelticPride2016]

Do you have any idea how you ridiculous you sound when you say things like that?

You would have much more credibility if you just say you were wrong about their plan, Embiid's injury, the talent you thought they had amassed, thinking they were smart in selecting players that would miss seasons based on injury (Noel & Embiid) or other issues (Saric) and after all that losing the best they have to show for it is a player who's upside is that of a Big Al/Zach Randolph type with off-court baggage.

The big question might be why isn't Larry Bird/Andy Kaufman a featured writer on the main page.

Personally, I stopped reading his posts. I can only suffer through so much unbelievable commentary on the 76er's genius tank approach or how the Brooklyn Nets are really good and might even slip into the playoffs.

His posts come across to me as typical mind games one finds all across the internet and not just pertaining to sports. Who has the time for that?

[Moranis]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there.  Maurice Williams wasn't going to go there either.  Neither was David West.  Those guys aren't going to Philly.  The kind of veteran they could get by overpaying is not the guy that will go play for a contender for a veteran minimum type deal (I realize Bass isn't on a contender, but I'm sure he thought LA would be a lot better than it is).  The guys they could get wouldn't move the needle at all.  The team would be just as bad, but would have veterans.  Wippy Do.  Who cares.  A guy that has no future in the league beyond a season or two, who isn't going to contribute wins at all, isn't worth signing.  At least the young guys might hit (like Covington).  Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

As has been said by the coach himself, he wishes they had more veterans and he makes a difference. They like the coach and are offering him an extension so they must not disagree with his comments. Obviously the word from the horses mouth is a lot more valuable than your opinion.

More veterans may or may not help, but they aren't going to sign the type of guy that would go there because it won't yield to win and the guys will just take up roster spots.  Look they had Mbah a Moute last year to help with Embiid, that worked so well they brought him back.  Oh wait they didn't.  Hmmm.  A veteran like Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard, who they went after, sure they would be great.  A veteran like Mbah a Moute, no thank you.

[celticsclay]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there.  Maurice Williams wasn't going to go there either.  Neither was David West.  Those guys aren't going to Philly.  The kind of veteran they could get by overpaying is not the guy that will go play for a contender for a veteran minimum type deal (I realize Bass isn't on a contender, but I'm sure he thought LA would be a lot better than it is).  The guys they could get wouldn't move the needle at all.  The team would be just as bad, but would have veterans.  Wippy Do.  Who cares.  A guy that has no future in the league beyond a season or two, who isn't going to contribute wins at all, isn't worth signing.  At least the young guys might hit (like Covington).  Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

As has been said by the coach himself, he wishes they had more veterans and he makes a difference. They like the coach and are offering him an extension so they must not disagree with his comments. Obviously the word from the horses mouth is a lot more valuable than your opinion.

More veterans may or may not help, but they aren't going to sign the type of guy that would go there because it won't yield to win and the guys will just take up roster spots.  Look they had Mbah a Moute last year to help with Embiid, that worked so well they brought him back.  Oh wait they didn't.  Hmmm.  A veteran like Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard, who they went after, sure they would be great.  A veteran like Mbah a Moute, no thank you.

Mbah a Moute (along with several other veterans) signed on with the clippers for a chance to win a championship. How you take that to mean they didn't want him back is a pretty big leap on your part. Brandon Bass signed on with a team that was pretty obviously a lottery team. Neither of us knows whether he would have signed on with Philly for a little more money to provide a veteran presence for their young big men. I challenged you in the your other thread to admit some mistakes that Philly has made or bad moves and you didn't list a single one.
I have listed plenty of good moves I thought they had made. If you are going to be so one sided and take the Philly is infallible position you are just wasting everyone's time.

[MBunge]

There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Do you actually read what you write?  Stauskas was a freakin' lottery pick and now you think it proves something to say other teams would offer him a vet minimum deal?  That other teams would pay them peanuts to be the 12th or 13th guy on the roster?  That's supposed to prove something positive about Philly, three years into a tank?

Mike

[MBunge]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there. 

SNIP

Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

1.  If you can't sign a Brandon Bass-type now, when there's little to no competition, why will you be able to sign better free agents in the future, when there will be four or five or 10 other teams throwing money at them?

2.  Tony Wroten is not a "home run shot."  Robert Covington is not a "home run shot."  Isaiah Canaan is not a "home run shot."  These are late first round, second round and undrafted guys who projected out to be marginal NBA players.  Every so often, one of these types of guys turns out to be a legitimate pro, like E'Twaun Moore.  Even more rarely, one will turn out to be really good.  And by rarely, I mean one out of every two or three drafts.  That's why you take a chance on one or two of these guys, not fill your whole roster them.

Mike

[MBunge]

A veteran like Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard, who they went after, sure they would be great.  A veteran like Mbah a Moute, no thank you.

This is like an unemployed guy in a bar who ignores the cute waitress because he thinks only a supermodel is good enough for him.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Do you have any idea how you ridiculous you sound when you say things like that?

You would have much more credibility if you just say you were wrong about their plan, Embiid's injury, the talent you thought they had amassed, thinking they were smart in selecting players that would miss seasons based on injury (Noel & Embiid) or other issues (Saric) and after all that losing the best they have to show for it is a player who's upside is that of a Big Al/Zach Randolph type with off-court baggage.

It's not ridiculous.  The plan hasn't "failed".   They have unlimited options this Summer.   I'm not the only one that gets it.    I'm not going to make apologies for being one of the few that does.

If you have trouble understanding how Boston turned Jerome Moiso and Jiri Welsch into Jae Crowder, RJ Hunter and five future draft picks, you probably wouldn't understand why Philly is in a golden position heading forward.

[Moranis]

There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Do you actually read what you write?  Stauskas was a freakin' lottery pick and now you think it proves something to say other teams would offer him a vet minimum deal?  That other teams would pay them peanuts to be the 12th or 13th guy on the roster?  That's supposed to prove something positive about Philly, three years into a tank?

Mike

Um, did you not read the post I responding to?

[celticsclay]

There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Do you actually read what you write?  Stauskas was a freakin' lottery pick and now you think it proves something to say other teams would offer him a vet minimum deal?  That other teams would pay them peanuts to be the 12th or 13th guy on the roster?  That's supposed to prove something positive about Philly, three years into a tank?

Mike

Um, did you not read the post I responding to?

You can do it. Say one small mistake or bad move the 76ers made? It won't kill ya i promise.

[Evantime34]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Do you have any idea how you ridiculous you sound when you say things like that?

You would have much more credibility if you just say you were wrong about their plan, Embiid's injury, the talent you thought they had amassed, thinking they were smart in selecting players that would miss seasons based on injury (Noel & Embiid) or other issues (Saric) and after all that losing the best they have to show for it is a player who's upside is that of a Big Al/Zach Randolph type with off-court baggage.

It's not ridiculous.  The plan hasn't "failed".   They have unlimited options this Summer.   I'm not the only one that gets it.    I'm not going to make apologies for being one of the few that does.

If you have trouble understanding how Boston turned Jerome Moiso and Jiri Welsch into Jae Crowder, RJ Hunter and five future draft picks, you probably wouldn't understand why Philly is in a golden position heading forward.

The plan certainly hasn't failed... yet. They have built up their assets but there is still a long way to go to turn their assets into a team.

[Moranis]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there. 

SNIP

Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

1.  If you can't sign a Brandon Bass-type now, when there's little to no competition, why will you be able to sign better free agents in the future, when there will be four or five or 10 other teams throwing money at them?

2.  Tony Wroten is not a "home run shot."  Robert Covington is not a "home run shot."  Isaiah Canaan is not a "home run shot."  These are late first round, second round and undrafted guys who projected out to be marginal NBA players.  Every so often, one of these types of guys turns out to be a legitimate pro, like E'Twaun Moore.  Even more rarely, one will turn out to be really good.  And by rarely, I mean one out of every two or three drafts.  That's why you take a chance on one or two of these guys, not fill your whole roster them.

Mike

1. because Philly is going to start winning games in the near future.  They didn't have the talent to do so this year, which everyone knew.  That won't be the case forever.

2. Wroten was a 1st round pick, he wasn't the type of guy I was referring to.  When you cut things out of post you lose context.  I'd say a guy like Covington is in fact a home run shot.  A guy who was undrafted and Philly found in the trash heap (after Houston let him go) that is averaging 14 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.7 steals with a TS% of 55.4% in his third year in just 30 minutes a game, is a quite valuable find and a home run.  BTW, every single one of those except the TS% (and minutes) would be Brandon Bass' career best.  This is from a 3rd player on the worst team in the league.  Covington is also a + defender.  In fact, his DRTG is under 100, the next best Sixer is 103 (Noel). 

[celticsclay]

Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

A gunner like Lou Williams wouldn't have done anything for Philly but signing a guy like Bass, a consummate pro with years of experience who will do his job but isn't good enough to really make the difference between winning and losing, is exactly the kind of vet Philly needs.

Philly has to spend up to the salary ceiling.  Why not overpay to bring in guys like Bass and Richard Jefferson to set the example for the rest of the roster?

Mike

Because they wouldn't sign there. 

SNIP

Better to take the home run shot than to lay down a bunt when the product on the floor is basically the same.

1.  If you can't sign a Brandon Bass-type now, when there's little to no competition, why will you be able to sign better free agents in the future, when there will be four or five or 10 other teams throwing money at them?

2.  Tony Wroten is not a "home run shot."  Robert Covington is not a "home run shot."  Isaiah Canaan is not a "home run shot."  These are late first round, second round and undrafted guys who projected out to be marginal NBA players.  Every so often, one of these types of guys turns out to be a legitimate pro, like E'Twaun Moore.  Even more rarely, one will turn out to be really good.  And by rarely, I mean one out of every two or three drafts.  That's why you take a chance on one or two of these guys, not fill your whole roster them.

Mike

1. because Philly is going to start winning games in the near future.  They didn't have the talent to do so this year, which everyone knew.  That won't be the case forever.

2. Wroten was a 1st round pick, he wasn't the type of guy I was referring to.  When you cut things out of post you lose context.  I'd say a guy like Covington is in fact a home run shot.  A guy who was undrafted and Philly found in the trash heap (after Houston let him go) that is averaging 14 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.7 steals with a TS% of 55.4% in his third year in just 30 minutes a game, is a quite valuable find and a home run.  BTW, every single one of those except the TS% (and minutes) would be Brandon Bass' career best.  This is from a 3rd player on the worst team in the league.  Covington is also a + defender.  In fact, his DRTG is under 100, the next best Sixer is 103 (Noel).

Moranis talking about the 76ers reminds of the MSNBC interview with Trump this morning that had to go to commercial early.

[Moranis]

There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Do you actually read what you write?  Stauskas was a freakin' lottery pick and now you think it proves something to say other teams would offer him a vet minimum deal?  That other teams would pay them peanuts to be the 12th or 13th guy on the roster?  That's supposed to prove something positive about Philly, three years into a tank?

Mike

Um, did you not read the post I responding to?

You can do it. Say one small mistake or bad move the 76ers made? It won't kill ya i promise.

The Sixers have done some things I probably wouldn't have done, but that doesn't mean it was a mistake.  For example, I wouldn't have drafted Saric.  They already had Noel coming back from injury and had just drafted Embiid who was going to miss time.  Adding another lottery pick who wasn't going to play for awhile seemed like an odd move, but I can't say it was a mistake either until I see what Saric actually does when he comes over.  Saric might go on to a Hall of Fame career in Philly, or he might flame out of the league.  You can't call that a mistake until you see what Saric does as a NBA player.  What I can commend Philly on is they knew they wanted Saric so they went and found a trade where they re-acquired their own pick to move back a couple of spots and still got Saric.  That is a brilliant move because they got the guy they wanted and additional assets. 

I would have kept Aldemir, who I think would have been a quality backup big man.  I would have made a harder push to keep Thomas Robinson, but who knows may TRob was out the door anyway. 

The reality is, looking at the moves in a vacuum you can't say Philly lost any of them.  The Holiday/Noel trade was a great move.  The MCW/lakers pick trade is looking better and better.  KJ McDaniel can't get off the bench in Houston at over 3 million a year (another great move from Philly). 

Everyone says they should sign some veterans for leadership. Ok who?  Everyone knew that team wasn't going to be very good, so what kind of veteran are they going to sign to that team.  No one of "quality" was going to sign there unless it is was their last resort.  I believe that will change this summer when the Sixers have an influx of talent i.e. Embiid, Saric, 1 or 2 high 1st round picks, and another couple of 1st round picks.  That team won't look nearly as bad to incoming free agents and thus players will potentially be signed (and guys like Wood, Holmes, etc. won't be on the team).