My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics

[Tr1boy]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.

I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.

Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.

I'm not sure what your basing on what kind of player fits CBS system. But from what i have seen, he tends to like playing players who are tough, works extremely hard, versatile defender/guard multiple positions, able to run end to end  on multiple occasions between whistles, good bbiq.   Able to make the open jump shots is nice also

Harrell outside of ability to make jump shot on a consistent basis (he has improved though, and more willing to shoot it then in the past) meets all the other criteria I listed above.   He is also explosive and is a capable rim protector.   

So tell me, why wouldn't he fit under CBS system?  or does he not fit in with what your looking for?

[FreddieJ]

I agree with you on Turner- I think he's going to be a Hasheem Thabeet type bust.
He less agile than Hibbert was and Hibbert came a looong way. I guess you could argue that Hibbert took until he was 24-25 years old to grow into his body so that gives Turner some hope.

I'd personally take Caris Levert and then see who wants to give us some assets for someone else.
If Caris Levert can overcome his foot issue then he's got All Star potential given how well he can shoot, dribble and create his own offense on the perimeter, and his left hand is a huge advantage ala Harden and the hesitation dribble.

I would like to get Porzingis by trading our pick, the Clippers pick, 2 Brooklyn picks and Kelly Olynk or Sullinger to the Knicks or Lakers if they get 4th or 5th and he's still on the board.
I would literally give them anything other than Smart.

I also think Thomas would work great in the triangle offense with Carmelo in New York.
But it's unlikely that they see any of our assets as having enough worth to even begin that conversation.

Smart is shooting 35%. I'd take the Brooklyn picks or even the Celtics pick this year over him

[Evantime34]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.

I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.

Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.

I'm not sure what your basing on what kind of player fits CBS system. But from what i have seen, he tends to like playing players who are tough, works extremely hard, versatile defender/guard multiple positions, able to run end to end  on multiple occasions between whistles, good bbiq.   Able to make the open jump shots is nice also

Harrell outside of ability to make jump shot on a consistent basis (he has improved though, and more willing to shoot it then in the past) meets all the other criteria I listed above.   He is also explosive and is a capable rim protector.   

So tell me, why wouldn't he fit under CBS system?  or does he not fit in with what your looking for?

To me Stevens system likes position versatility, floor spacing and ball handlers.

Harrell is an undersized 4 in the NBA. I don't think you can have him guard anything but 4's in the NBA. So I don't see any positional versatility. He isn't a very good shooter so you won't see him space the floor much and he doesn't have any perimeter ball handling skills.

Stevens likes to go small, when he goes small he usually has lineup that consist of 5 shooters or 4 shooters and one big. Harrell can't be in the 5 shooter lineups because he can't shoot, and if you are playing him as your only big, he won't be able to protect the rim like you would want in that lineup.

A good comp for why he wouldn't succeed is Thomas Robinson. 4's that can't either shoot or block shots aren't succeeding as anything more than back ups in todays NBA.

I like him Harrell just not with our first pick because he doesn't have the upside because of his lack of size and age.

[Tr1boy]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.

I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.

Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.

I'm not sure what your basing on what kind of player fits CBS system. But from what i have seen, he tends to like playing players who are tough, works extremely hard, versatile defender/guard multiple positions, able to run end to end  on multiple occasions between whistles, good bbiq.   Able to make the open jump shots is nice also

Harrell outside of ability to make jump shot on a consistent basis (he has improved though, and more willing to shoot it then in the past) meets all the other criteria I listed above.   He is also explosive and is a capable rim protector.   

So tell me, why wouldn't he fit under CBS system?  or does he not fit in with what your looking for?

To me Stevens system likes position versatility, floor spacing and ball handlers.

Harrell is an undersized 4 in the NBA. I don't think you can have him guard anything but 4's in the NBA. So I don't see any positional versatility. He isn't a very good shooter so you won't see him space the floor much and he doesn't have any perimeter ball handling skills.

Stevens likes to go small, when he goes small he usually has lineup that consist of 5 shooters or 4 shooters and one big. Harrell can't be in the 5 shooter lineups because he can't shoot, and if you are playing him as your only big, he won't be able to protect the rim like you would want in that lineup.

A good comp for why he wouldn't succeed is Thomas Robinson. 4's that can't either shoot or block shots aren't succeeding as anything more than back ups in todays NBA.

I like him Harrell just not with our first pick because he doesn't have the upside because of his lack of size and age.

I disagree with many of your points.  I have watched several Louisville last and this season games and Harrell can defend more than one position. He is all over the court some games.  See the link below from 6:39. He can guard sfs and keep up even with some guards out on the perimeter. He has good lateral quickness.  He is a strong kid and also will make it tough for some centers to gain inside position. Willing to battle on the inside.

From 6:39 and 9:09 - lateral quickness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-sc9EhDiS4

As for his lack of jump shot, like I have stated before he didn't even attempt to shoot jumpers in his 1st season and last season rarely shot the ball.  He shot the ball more at the U19 tourney. 
Watch the clip below of a game earlier this season and he made several open jump shots. You can tell he was practising in the offseason.   This is a big jump for a guy like Harrell.  Near the end of this season , the coach wanted/needed him to play around the post and he hasn't been able to shoot as many jumpers.  But under CBS with what he has been able to do , to help Smart, Crowder,  Harrell imo could become a decent jump shooter.  Also if you watch the other part of the clip below, you will see how decent his lateral quickness is and overall defensive impact he has on the floor.   

All jumpers he makes - 0:29 , 2:44, 3:10, 5:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHnAKaNPMJ8

[Eddie20]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.

I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.

Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.

I'm not sure what your basing on what kind of player fits CBS system. But from what i have seen, he tends to like playing players who are tough, works extremely hard, versatile defender/guard multiple positions, able to run end to end  on multiple occasions between whistles, good bbiq.   Able to make the open jump shots is nice also

Harrell outside of ability to make jump shot on a consistent basis (he has improved though, and more willing to shoot it then in the past) meets all the other criteria I listed above.   He is also explosive and is a capable rim protector.   

So tell me, why wouldn't he fit under CBS system?  or does he not fit in with what your looking for?

To me Stevens system likes position versatility, floor spacing and ball handlers.

Harrell is an undersized 4 in the NBA. I don't think you can have him guard anything but 4's in the NBA. So I don't see any positional versatility. He isn't a very good shooter so you won't see him space the floor much and he doesn't have any perimeter ball handling skills.

Stevens likes to go small, when he goes small he usually has lineup that consist of 5 shooters or 4 shooters and one big. Harrell can't be in the 5 shooter lineups because he can't shoot, and if you are playing him as your only big, he won't be able to protect the rim like you would want in that lineup.

A good comp for why he wouldn't succeed is Thomas Robinson. 4's that can't either shoot or block shots aren't succeeding as anything more than back ups in todays NBA.

I like him Harrell just not with our first pick because he doesn't have the upside because of his lack of size and age.

I disagree with many of your points. I have watched several Louisville last and this season games and Harrell can defend more than one position. He is all over the court some games.  See the link below from 6:39. He can guard sfs and keep up even with some guards out on the perimeter. He has good lateral quickness.  He is a strong kid and also will make it tough for some centers to gain inside position. Willing to battle on the inside.

The problem with that statement is that he's doing it on the college level. Covering big college stiffs is a far cry from how that'll translate to the next level.

You seem to be all over the place with your player likes, so I can't quite figure you out. However, the one common denominator is that you seem very keen on college basketball stats/production and thinking that means it'll translate on the next level. For me, I'd much rather take the young 18-19 year old freshman with upside, rather than the 21-22 year old (like your guys Kaminsky, Harrell, etc.) with a limited ceiling.

You'd rather have Kaminsky ahead of Turner and Harrell ahead of say, Cliff Alexander, but imagine for a second what those younger players would be doing on the college level at the same age as Kaminsky and Harrell.

[Tr1boy]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.

I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.

Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.

I'm not sure what your basing on what kind of player fits CBS system. But from what i have seen, he tends to like playing players who are tough, works extremely hard, versatile defender/guard multiple positions, able to run end to end  on multiple occasions between whistles, good bbiq.   Able to make the open jump shots is nice also

Harrell outside of ability to make jump shot on a consistent basis (he has improved though, and more willing to shoot it then in the past) meets all the other criteria I listed above.   He is also explosive and is a capable rim protector.   

So tell me, why wouldn't he fit under CBS system?  or does he not fit in with what your looking for?

To me Stevens system likes position versatility, floor spacing and ball handlers.

Harrell is an undersized 4 in the NBA. I don't think you can have him guard anything but 4's in the NBA. So I don't see any positional versatility. He isn't a very good shooter so you won't see him space the floor much and he doesn't have any perimeter ball handling skills.

Stevens likes to go small, when he goes small he usually has lineup that consist of 5 shooters or 4 shooters and one big. Harrell can't be in the 5 shooter lineups because he can't shoot, and if you are playing him as your only big, he won't be able to protect the rim like you would want in that lineup.

A good comp for why he wouldn't succeed is Thomas Robinson. 4's that can't either shoot or block shots aren't succeeding as anything more than back ups in todays NBA.

I like him Harrell just not with our first pick because he doesn't have the upside because of his lack of size and age.

I disagree with many of your points. I have watched several Louisville last and this season games and Harrell can defend more than one position. He is all over the court some games.  See the link below from 6:39. He can guard sfs and keep up even with some guards out on the perimeter. He has good lateral quickness.  He is a strong kid and also will make it tough for some centers to gain inside position. Willing to battle on the inside.

The problem with that statement is that he's doing it on the college level. Covering big college stiffs is a far cry from how that'll translate to the next level.

You seem to be all over the place with your player likes, so I can't quite figure you out. However, the one common denominator is that you seem very keen on college basketball stats/production and thinking that means it'll translate on the next level. For me, I'd much rather take the young 18-19 year old freshman with upside, rather than the 21-22 year old (like your guys Kaminsky, Harrell, etc.) with a limited ceiling.

You'd rather have Kaminsky ahead of Turner and Harrell ahead of say, Cliff Alexander, but imagine for a second what those younger players would be doing on the college level at the same age as Kaminsky and Harrell.

but those players haven't. And we don't know if they will.

I value the proof of hard work and accomplishments more than "potential". How many guys with off the charts potential ever reach it??  Russell Westbrook is the last guy I can think of that didn't accomplish much in college to become a star in the NBA.

Would you draft Perry Jones over Jae Crowder?  Jeremy Lamb over Marcus Smart?

something to think about

[sofutomygaha]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

Sweet-shooting PF-C who came into the draft lacking nba athleticism and strength! Here's an arbitrary sampling. Ready?

------- The 2006 guys you think of first who ruined it for everyone--------
2006: Andrea Bargnani, Adam Morrison, Oleksiy Pecherov, Steve Novak
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--------------------------- Everyone since then -----------------------------
2007: Spencer Hawes, Nick Fazekas
2008: Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, Ante Tomic
2009: Goran Suton
2010:
2011: Nikola Mirotic, Trey Thompkins, Jon Leuer
2012: Draymond Green,
2013: Kelly Olynyk, Grant Jarrett
2014: Doug McDermott, Nikola Jokic

[Tr1boy]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

Yes that's right.   I can't see Kaminsky becoming an all star in the NBA. But starter/6th man quite possible. 

Some of you guys here are crazy nitpickers. I mean what do you want to get from a mid teens pick? The next all star?    We are past the tank mode and should think about that starter/6th man type player we can add on the team. That fit's with what is going on

[BDeCosta26]

After DA signs Kevin Love , he's gonna trade our pick, the LAC pick, the PHI 2nd and KO/Sullinger to a team like the Kings to move up a few slots and add a Defensive minded big.

Obviously....

[Cman]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

Yes that's right.   I can't see Kaminsky becoming an all star in the NBA. But starter/6th man quite possible. 

Some of you guys here are crazy nitpickers. I mean what do you want to get from a mid teens pick? The next all star?    We are past the tank mode and should think about that starter/6th man type player we can add on the team. That fit's with what is going on

Along these lines and back to Harrell: If he ends up being a similar player to Brandon Bass, then I'm fine with him as the pick at #15. Put differently, Harrell would be considered quite the steal at #15 in retrospect, if he becomes a player like Brandon Bass.

[Tr1boy]

After DA signs Kevin Love , he's gonna trade our pick, the LAC pick, the PHI 2nd and KO/Sullinger to a team like the Kings to move up a few slots and add a Defensive minded big.

Obviously....

Trust me, Kevin Love is not coming to Boston.   And if he does, I will puke.

There is definitely a chance though that one of Sullinger or KO gets moved in the offseason. Especially if Danny plans to resign Bass, has his eyes on a PF/C with one of our picks.

[Evantime34]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

Yes that's right.   I can't see Kaminsky becoming an all star in the NBA. But starter/6th man quite possible. 

Some of you guys here are crazy nitpickers. I mean what do you want to get from a mid teens pick? The next all star?    We are past the tank mode and should think about that starter/6th man type player we can add on the team. That fit's with what is going on

I would be fine with either Kaminsky or Portis at 15 if we are not able to trade up, but my preference is to use our extra picks to trade up.

[jonaslopes]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

This.

I don't want him with a 9th, 10th or 11th pick. But he is ok for 15th. To me we could trade up and pick Hezonja or Winslow or Johnson. But I don't know if we can do that. The bad teams are already dreaming with those players too. Detroit wants a SF badly, they won't trade down and lose the chance of getting Hezonja or Winslow or Oubre.

[Tr1boy]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

Yes that's right.   I can't see Kaminsky becoming an all star in the NBA. But starter/6th man quite possible. 

Some of you guys here are crazy nitpickers. I mean what do you want to get from a mid teens pick? The next all star?    We are past the tank mode and should think about that starter/6th man type player we can add on the team. That fit's with what is going on

I would be fine with either Kaminsky or Portis at 15 if we are not able to trade up, but my preference is to use our extra picks to trade up.

I agree , me too.

The question is will a team in the top 10 be willing to give up their pick? Do they like a couple of players later on in the draft.

In turn, does Danny want to give up 2 1sts for a 7-8 pick??  Is he ok just sitting it out and letting the BPA drop to his lap at 13-15?

[Eddie20]

Hawes was a lottery pick, but he, much like Kamimsky, had limited upside. Can you name the last perimeter oriented big (non foreign player), who lacks athleticism and strength, and excelled in the league? Not just a role player either, but to the level you're hyping him up? Because lately the list hasn't been pretty.

Don't overstate how much the Kaminsky supporters are hyping him up. They are saying he'd be a good #15 selection, not an all-star.

Sweet-shooting PF-C who came into the draft lacking nba athleticism and strength! Here's an arbitrary sampling. Ready?

------- The 2006 guys you think of first who ruined it for everyone--------
2006: Andrea Bargnani, Adam Morrison, Oleksiy Pecherov, Steve Novak
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------- Everyone since then -----------------------------
2007: Spencer Hawes, Nick Fazekas
2008: Kevin Love, Ryan Anderson, Ante Tomic
2009: Goran Suton
2010:
2011: Nikola Mirotic, Trey Thompkins, Jon Leuer
2012: Draymond Green,
2013: Kelly Olynyk, Grant Jarrett
2014: Doug McDermott, Nikola Jokic

How am I overstating anything? He ranked Kaminsky 9th on his list. Ahead of Turner, Oubre, Winslow, and Looney. That's not a top 15 pick, that's a top 10 pick. To make matters worse, not only would he have us passing on better talent, but Kaminsky does not fill any need whatsoever. With a different roster makeup he would potentially be a nice fit, but not with our team.

As for your list, you might want to exclude a lot of players there. You included a few SF's  and players that never had questions of strength (Love was actually overweight) or athleticism (Mirotic is NOT unathletic) to mask the argument.