My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics

[chambers]

I agree with you on Turner- I think he's going to be a Hasheem Thabeet type bust.
He less agile than Hibbert was and Hibbert came a looong way. I guess you could argue that Hibbert took until he was 24-25 years old to grow into his body so that gives Turner some hope.

I'd personally take Caris Levert and then see who wants to give us some assets for someone else.
If Caris Levert can overcome his foot issue then he's got All Star potential given how well he can shoot, dribble and create his own offense on the perimeter, and his left hand is a huge advantage ala Harden and the hesitation dribble.

I would like to get Porzingis by trading our pick, the Clippers pick, 2 Brooklyn picks and Kelly Olynk or Sullinger to the Knicks or Lakers if they get 4th or 5th and he's still on the board.
I would literally give them anything other than Smart.

I also think Thomas would work great in the triangle offense with Carmelo in New York.
But it's unlikely that they see any of our assets as having enough worth to even begin that conversation.

The general feeling coming out of Michigan right now is that Levert will not enter the draft this year.  That might change, depending what the draft advisory board (or whatever it's called) tells him, but he appears to be leaning that direction.

Yeah and I can understand why he would stay another year. Apparently he was playing with a broken foot for months. If he stays a year and his foot is healed he could go top 8 in 2016.

[tazzmaniac]

I can see WCS a dropping to the celtics look at who would have picks before us

Philly- has centers
Lakers- might take him
Bucks- might take him
Jazz- has a center
Nets - has a center
Sacramento- has a center
Minnesota- has a center
Denver- has a center
Knicks- might take him
Charlotte- has a center
Detroit- has a center
Orlando- has a center



Knicks lakers bucks are the three teams that need a center.

Knicks probably have a top 5 pick, don't see them taking WCS that high, would more likely trade that pick for a vet if needed.
Lakers, same as Knicks.

Bucks I could see them taking him which would be scary already have Gianni's 6'11 playing SG, Parker 6'9 playing SF and Henson 6'11 PF and MCW 6'6 PG that defense would be ridiculously long and all could switch on PnR. I could see the Bucks taking WCS. Now would Danny trade with them for him?

Second option.
Kaminsky?

A lineup of
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Kanminsky
Sully

Is a lineup in which EVERYONE can shoot the ball, what brad wants
Even throw Kelly in there

Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Kelly
Kaminsky

I mean I know our interior defense would be terrible, but the ball movement and shooting would be A1 and a problem for the league.

Those are the two I want for our first round pick. Now with clippers pick, I would take Valentin from Michigan state, kid can poor em up for a PF, Anderson from Virginia, Lyles from Kentucky, Or Harrell.

Atlanta has the Nets pick.  Just because a team has a center (e.g. Denver) doesn't mean they won't take WCS. 

[TheTruthFot18]

Kaminsky is as much a center as Olynyk. Pass

[saltlover]

Kaminsky is as much a center as Olynyk. Pass

I think Kaminsky is a better version of Olynyk.  They're similar offensively.  Olynyk might be a little better taking players off the dribble, but he doesn't do that much anyway.  Similar shooters and passers.

But Kaminsky is better on defense.  He has much better technique.  He's probably going to be somewhat limited still in terms of agility/athleticism, but he doesn't get off balance or as out of position.  I'd be happy with Kaminsky -- if Olynyk were moved.  Right now, they're redundant.

[Evantime34]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

[Monkhouse]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

Agree with the majority of your points.

I, too, think WCS will definitely at least drop 4-5 spots. I'm not too sure if Ainge would draft him, as not too many reports seem to endorse any of his interest in WCS. But then again, this is Ainge we're explicitly talking about.

I don't see the infatuation with Harrell. Yes he'll be a great glue/hustle guy, but if we're using our first round pick on someone, I would want someone like Oubre, or at least someone with higher potential.

I would love to draft Lavert. I think his game will translate well in the NBA, although, we should be wary of his injury history.

[Tr1boy]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

[Monkhouse]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

I never understood why people ever figured Thabeet would be a great player. He just seemed so slow to me. I still don't think Kaminsky is the best player for us... Yes he does fit the system, but we don't need another KO.

[Eddie20]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

- The Turner-Thabeet comparisons aren't accurate. Turner is a lot more skilled and mobile than Thabeet ever was.

Ford...

Scouts are not down on him at all, despite his up-and-down play. He is big, protects the rim and can shoot the 3. Plus, everyone I have spoken with thinks he will be much better in the NBA. Turner remains a bit of a mystery to scouts. His size and ability to stretch the floor and protect the rim make him unique and one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. The challenge continues to be his inconsistency. He's a pretty polarizing player among scouts. Some absolutely love him and see him as a contender for a top-5 pick. Others are very wary. The upside is clearly there -- he's an athletic 7-footer who can stretch the floor, rebound and protect the rim. Those guys don't come along every day. But Turner has been inconsistent, especially against elite teams, and so many scouts can't get over the awkward way that he runs the floor

- Harrell is actually listed as 6-7 on ESPN with a wingspan of 7-3. For comparison, James Young is 6-7 with a wingspan of 7-0.

- We don't have to move up to get a top 5 pick. We just need to move up far enough to get Turner or WCS as a big, or whichever one of the wings drop (Oubre, Winslow, Johnson). All dependent on who we perceive is the BPA.

[Tr1boy]

Turner vs Kentucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyJw_PiJoU

Harrell vs Kentucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ma1Xcooto

[Monkhouse]

Turner vs Kentucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyJw_PiJoU

Harrell vs Kentucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ma1Xcooto

I would trade a few picks from the Grizzlies/Suns/Wolves to move up to draft these players, but I wouldn't use any of the Clippers/Celtics/Mavs picks on them.

[Tr1boy]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

- The Turner-Thabeet comparisons aren't accurate. Turner is a lot more skilled and mobile than Thabeet ever was.

Ford...

Scouts are not down on him at all, despite his up-and-down play. He is big, protects the rim and can shoot the 3. Plus, everyone I have spoken with thinks he will be much better in the NBA. Turner remains a bit of a mystery to scouts. His size and ability to stretch the floor and protect the rim make him unique and one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. The challenge continues to be his inconsistency. He's a pretty polarizing player among scouts. Some absolutely love him and see him as a contender for a top-5 pick. Others are very wary. The upside is clearly there -- he's an athletic 7-footer who can stretch the floor, rebound and protect the rim. Those guys don't come along every day. But Turner has been inconsistent, especially against elite teams, and so many scouts can't get over the awkward way that he runs the floor

- Harrell is actually listed as 6-7 on ESPN with a wingspan of 7-3. For comparison, James Young is 6-7 with a wingspan of 7-0.

- We don't have to move up to get a top 5 pick. We just need to move up far enough to get Turner or WCS as a big, or whichever one of the wings drop (Oubre, Winslow, Johnson). All dependent on who we perceive is the BPA.

Turner imo has a long way to go. Could end up being fools gold.   Take a look at the highlight above vs Kentucky.  You can see how much he struggled and he has great size. Lacks great speed, explosiveness, strength

I rather take Dakari Johnson in the 2nd round or maybe take a chance on Upshaw

[Evantime34]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

[Tr1boy]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide as much energy/intensity as guys as Smart/Crowder on the floor

[Evantime34]

Just read over the thread and I got some comments

1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.

2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.

3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.

4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.

5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.

I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).

-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good.  Just not that mobile, agile on the court.  Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)

-  Harrell is not 6'6.  He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8

- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop

Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.

Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.

I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)

If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.   
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.   

Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass.  Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.

We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.   

IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.

I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.

Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.