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Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2015, 11:41:03 PM »

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I can't imagine Turner falling that far.  I would really hope Danny trades up if he falls to 12

I do. Check out his stats for the last 5 games of the season. Not very good.  Maybe ran out of gas? Injury?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/myles-turner-1/gamelog/2015/

He is a nice prospect but with an old players body.  He struggles running end to end.  Not very athletic nor quick

The players that we draft need to fit in with CBS system .  Unless they are that good, CBS is not going to change around what he has built so far for the player.
I don't see Harrell or RHJ as good fits in the CBS system.  Neither of them are anywhere close to being decent 3pt shooters.  Having to watch Sully shoot 3s is bad enough.

Zeller, bass cant shoot threes either. 

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 11:41:53 PM »

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That's an interesting pair. I could see that.

And If Hollis-Jefferson is already taken then Justin Anderson. Another 6'6 , 225 pounds , 6'11 wingspan sf. Versatile defender, high motor, athletic and good 3 pt shooter
If he's healthy, Anderson should go before RHJ.  With Stevens being so 3pt happy, I'd prefer Anderson over RHJ.
Im torn here. Anderson is certainly a far superior 3 pt shooter and they both play terrific defense, but with his athleticism RHJ has a higher upside I would think. Id be happy with either at 25, but I doubt either will be available.
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Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2015, 11:42:47 PM »

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I can't imagine Turner falling that far.  I would really hope Danny trades up if he falls to 12

I do. Check out his stats for the last 5 games of the season. Not very good.  Maybe ran out of gas? Injury?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/myles-turner-1/gamelog/2015/

He is a nice prospect but with an old players body.  He struggles running end to end.  Not very athletic nor quick

The players that we draft need to fit in with CBS system .  Unless they are that good, CBS is not going to change around what he has built so far for the player.
I don't see Harrell or RHJ as good fits in the CBS system.  Neither of them are anywhere close to being decent 3pt shooters.  Having to watch Sully shoot 3s is bad enough.

Zeller, bass cant shoot threes either.
Its not an issue with Harrel, but a SF who cant shoot could present problems
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Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2015, 11:44:35 PM »

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I think we will move up if we are #15 unless someone in the top 11 (Im including Oubre) falls. I suspect we will package either the 2s or the clips pick or maybe even KO/Sully to grab someone we prefer in the 7-12 range.

That being said if the draft pans out the way you suggest I wouldnt mind Harrel/ Jefferson. I think Jefferson is a super safe pick. he is going to be a very good defender in this league. period. So getting him in the 20s would be good as you know he can fill a role on your team. As for Harrell, the only thing that makes me hesitant is his height, but I love the wingspan and energy he plays with.

I do remember hearing some character stuff in years past is that all gone or is that something we should worry about?

Harrell is a good teammate, coachable. He is an annoying opponent to face much like KG is.  Maybe at times can be a showoff. His energy, intensity is at elite level though.

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2015, 11:45:50 PM »

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Caris Levert is going to be a stud. I think his game would fit in the offense, and I think he could play SF in Brad's system. He reminds me of a poor version of Paul George.

And whatever Ainge does for big man, hopefully Ainge goes after Love and Asik hard.

I just don't see any impactful big man around our draft range. I'd prefer to package them for players.
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Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2015, 11:49:07 PM »

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Oubre, Winslow, and Turner will all go before Kaminsky. Kaminsky's stock is sure to drop once he posts some pedestrian numbers at the combine.

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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2015, 11:49:26 PM »

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I can't imagine Turner falling that far.  I would really hope Danny trades up if he falls to 12

I do. Check out his stats for the last 5 games of the season. Not very good.  Maybe ran out of gas? Injury?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/myles-turner-1/gamelog/2015/

He is a nice prospect but with an old players body.  He struggles running end to end.  Not very athletic nor quick

The players that we draft need to fit in with CBS system .  Unless they are that good, CBS is not going to change around what he has built so far for the player.
I don't see Harrell or RHJ as good fits in the CBS system.  Neither of them are anywhere close to being decent 3pt shooters.  Having to watch Sully shoot 3s is bad enough.

Zeller, bass cant shoot threes either.
Its not an issue with Harrel, but a SF who cant shoot could present problems

AB couldnt shoot well at first either. Now he is decent. RHJ has crazy athleticism and can score in other ways. At least his FT is at a respectable rate. CBS will help him with his jump shot.

Like Harrell, plays with incredible energy and intensity.    I love these kind of players. While you are huffing and puffing with less than 5 min, these guys become more energized

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2015, 11:52:32 PM »

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Oubre, Winslow, and Turner will all go before Kaminsky. Kaminsky's stock is sure to drop once he posts some pedestrian numbers at the combine.

Maybe. But once he nails 3 after 3  , handles the ball around with ease for a 7ft tall player , his stock will rise again.

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2015, 11:54:19 PM »

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Caris Levert is going to be a stud. I think his game would fit in the offense, and I think he could play SF in Brad's system. He reminds me of a poor version of Paul George.

And whatever Ainge does for big man, hopefully Ainge goes after Love and Asik hard.

I just don't see any impactful big man around our draft range. I'd prefer to package them for players.

I like Levert and his confidence. Injury is a big concern.

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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2015, 11:55:20 PM »

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Oubre, Winslow, and Turner will all go before Kaminsky. Kaminsky's stock is sure to drop once he posts some pedestrian numbers at the combine.

Maybe. But once he nails 3 after 3  , handles the ball around with ease for a 7ft tall player , his stock will rise again.

You and I are the only Kaminsky fans here, I think.
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Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2015, 11:55:57 PM »

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Turner levert with the first rounders
dakari johnson or upshaw and vzenkov with the swcond rounders

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2015, 11:56:40 PM »

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Oubre, Winslow, and Turner will all go before Kaminsky. Kaminsky's stock is sure to drop once he posts some pedestrian numbers at the combine.

Maybe. But once he nails 3 after 3  , handles the ball around with ease for a 7ft tall player , his stock will rise again.

Is this Dirk or Kaminsky we're talking about? Kaminsky is a good shooter, but he's not an elite shooter. Scouts have pointed out to a slow release that might give him problems on the next level.

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2015, 12:01:55 AM »

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Oubre, Winslow, and Turner will all go before Kaminsky. Kaminsky's stock is sure to drop once he posts some pedestrian numbers at the combine.

Maybe. But once he nails 3 after 3  , handles the ball around with ease for a 7ft tall player , his stock will rise again.

Is this Dirk or Kaminsky we're talking about? Kaminsky is a good shooter, but he's not an elite shooter. Scouts have pointed out to a slow release that might give him problems on the next level.
Come on, Dirk's release is pretty slow also.   Kaminsky is not as automatic but he is good shooter. Better than KO , and KO is considered a good 3 pt shooter for his height now.

Centers are going to have to respect Kaminsky shooting capabilities and come out to defend him.

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2015, 12:04:16 AM »

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I can't imagine Turner falling that far.  I would really hope Danny trades up if he falls to 12

I do. Check out his stats for the last 5 games of the season. Not very good.  Maybe ran out of gas? Injury?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/myles-turner-1/gamelog/2015/

He is a nice prospect but with an old players body.  He struggles running end to end.  Not very athletic nor quick

The players that we draft need to fit in with CBS system .  Unless they are that good, CBS is not going to change around what he has built so far for the player.
I don't see Harrell or RHJ as good fits in the CBS system.  Neither of them are anywhere close to being decent 3pt shooters.  Having to watch Sully shoot 3s is bad enough.

Zeller, bass cant shoot threes either.
Its not an issue with Harrel, but a SF who cant shoot could present problems

AB couldnt shoot well at first either. Now he is decent. RHJ has crazy athleticism and can score in other ways. At least his FT is at a respectable rate. CBS will help him with his jump shot.

Like Harrell, plays with incredible energy and intensity.    I love these kind of players. While you are huffing and puffing with less than 5 min, these guys become more energized
I could see drafting one or the other but not both.  Turner is a significantly better shooter that either of them.  Given the options presented, I'd rather go Turner and Anderson. 

Re: My early 2015 1st round picks for the Celtics
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2015, 12:09:24 AM »

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I can't imagine Turner falling that far.  I would really hope Danny trades up if he falls to 12

I do. Check out his stats for the last 5 games of the season. Not very good.  Maybe ran out of gas? Injury?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/myles-turner-1/gamelog/2015/

He is a nice prospect but with an old players body.  He struggles running end to end.  Not very athletic nor quick

The players that we draft need to fit in with CBS system .  Unless they are that good, CBS is not going to change around what he has built so far for the player.
I don't see Harrell or RHJ as good fits in the CBS system.  Neither of them are anywhere close to being decent 3pt shooters.  Having to watch Sully shoot 3s is bad enough.

Zeller, bass cant shoot threes either.
Its not an issue with Harrel, but a SF who cant shoot could present problems

AB couldnt shoot well at first either. Now he is decent. RHJ has crazy athleticism and can score in other ways. At least his FT is at a respectable rate. CBS will help him with his jump shot.

Like Harrell, plays with incredible energy and intensity.    I love these kind of players. While you are huffing and puffing with less than 5 min, these guys become more energized
I could see drafting one or the other but not both.  Turner is a significantly better shooter that either of them.  Given the options presented, I'd rather go Turner and Anderson.

Will Turner even play in the 4th quarter under CBS?
CBS has guys out in the 4th now that can guard at least 2 positions. Can run end to end multiple times between whistles. Turner has issues running end to end multiple times  now. It doesnt look natural. He would fit better under a half court oriented team imo