Just read over the thread and I got some comments
1. Harrell is a good player but what is his upside? We need players who could some day end up being elite. Drafting a 21 year old 6'6 pf doesn't really have huge upside. If he's available with the Clippers pick we should take him but our pick is too early.
2. I think Kaminsky is a solid player but if he is the best player available we need to trade up. If we pick at 16 I would prefer Portis to Kaminsky but I think we need to go big either way and a good floor spacing big would help.
3. Someone compared Myles Turner to Thabeet. Turner has the chance to be a great shot blocker but he also is extremely skilled. If Thabeet had Turner's offensive game he wouldn't have been a bust.
4. I agree that WCS could drop since I doubt the Jazz, Philly, and Detroit pick a center and there should be 3 or 4 centers drafted ahead of WCS so maybe he slips. However, we will still need to trade up to at latest the 8-10 pick in order to draft him.
5. LaVert or RHJ would both be great picks with the Clippers pick.
I'm going to say the C's trade up to grab WCS, and then get LaVert or RHJ with the Clippers pick (or we trade the clippers pick and trade two of our seconds to move up and grab one of those guys).
-Turner to Thabeet comparison is good. Just not that mobile, agile on the court. Turner can move a little better but he has a strange running technique that imo will result in injuries sooner or later. Again he does not fit with CBS system overall, only for specific situations (Against Hibbert). But as of late we are making the opposing teams follow our lead (go small)
- Harrell is not 6'6. He matched up against Brice Johnson last week and he was only a tad shorter. Brice Johnson is 6'9. Harrell is 6'8
- Everyone want the Celts to move up in the draft. How easy is that? When was the last time anyone can remember a team able to move up to top 5 having a 14th pick for example? bc of the way the salary cap/structure is these days, picks are very valuable to keep/develop
Turner is a big who can block shots and step out and hit the 3. That sounds like a perfect fit for Steven's system. Turner probably won't be ready to play away but he has a ton more potential than Harrell and we need to swing for the fences in the draft because we don't need depth.
Draft Express has Harrell as 6'6.5 in shoes. (6'5 w/o shoes) He's certainly not 6'8.
I agree that we won't move into the top 5 but there have been a bunch of trades where a team moves up into the 8-12 range (Chicago moved up last year)
If Harrell is only 6'7 then thats ok still. He has a long wingspan, 8'11 reach and is explosive off the ground.
Blake Griffin is only 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan. Faried only 6'7 with 6'11 wingspan.
Harrell is a more explosive , intense version of Brandon Bass. Brandon Bass has fit really well under CBS system.
We would not be grabbing Harrell to be a center but he could guard centers occasionally (like Crowder , due to his strength, won't give up position easily), depending what CBS wants to do out on the floor.
IF Bass is not brought back, Harrell could fill in that mobile, athletic , ability to guard multiple position pf role and provide even more intensity.
I think Faried is a good comp for Harrell. But Harrell's lack of shooting would give you the same spacing problem Faried does for the Nuggets. As to the blake Griffin comparison, Blake is 6'8.5 with out shoes, Harrell is 6'5.5 without shoes. Harrell hasn't given the indication that he will ever be able to shoot like Bass.
Regardless, I don't think you draft a junior who is already what he will be long term vs a player with a higher ceiling (unless the Junior fits a need). We need the player with the higher ceiling. I don't agree that Harrell fits Steven's system either.
I'm not sure what your basing on what kind of player fits CBS system. But from what i have seen, he tends to like playing players who are tough, works extremely hard, versatile defender/guard multiple positions, able to run end to end on multiple occasions between whistles, good bbiq. Able to make the open jump shots is nice also
Harrell outside of ability to make jump shot on a consistent basis (he has improved though, and more willing to shoot it then in the past) meets all the other criteria I listed above. He is also explosive and is a capable rim protector.
So tell me, why wouldn't he fit under CBS system? or does he not fit in with what your looking for?
To me Stevens system likes position versatility, floor spacing and ball handlers.
Harrell is an undersized 4 in the NBA. I don't think you can have him guard anything but 4's in the NBA. So I don't see any positional versatility. He isn't a very good shooter so you won't see him space the floor much and he doesn't have any perimeter ball handling skills.
Stevens likes to go small, when he goes small he usually has lineup that consist of 5 shooters or 4 shooters and one big. Harrell can't be in the 5 shooter lineups because he can't shoot, and if you are playing him as your only big, he won't be able to protect the rim like you would want in that lineup.
A good comp for why he wouldn't succeed is Thomas Robinson. 4's that can't either shoot or block shots aren't succeeding as anything more than back ups in todays NBA.
I like him Harrell just not with our first pick because he doesn't have the upside because of his lack of size and age.
I disagree with many of your points. I have watched several Louisville last and this season games and Harrell can defend more than one position. He is all over the court some games. See the link below from 6:39. He can guard sfs and keep up even with some guards out on the perimeter. He has good lateral quickness. He is a strong kid and also will make it tough for some centers to gain inside position. Willing to battle on the inside.
The problem with that statement is that he's doing it on the college level. Covering big college stiffs is a far cry from how that'll translate to the next level.
You seem to be all over the place with your player likes, so I can't quite figure you out. However, the one common denominator is that you seem very keen on college basketball stats/production and thinking that means it'll translate on the next level. For me, I'd much rather take the young 18-19 year old freshman with upside, rather than the 21-22 year old (like your guys Kaminsky, Harrell, etc.) with a limited ceiling.
You'd rather have Kaminsky ahead of Turner and Harrell ahead of say, Cliff Alexander, but imagine for a second what those younger players would be doing on the college level at the same age as Kaminsky and Harrell.
but those players haven't. And we don't know if they will.
I value the proof of hard work and accomplishments more than "potential". How many guys with off the charts potential ever reach it?? Russell Westbrook is the last guy I can think of that didn't accomplish much in college to become a star in the NBA.
Would you draft Perry Jones over Jae Crowder? Jeremy Lamb over Marcus Smart?
something to think about
Those are strange comparisons. How about these? Would you draft Embiid over Smart? The Greek Freak over Olynyk? The correct answer is everyday and twice on Sunday.
For teams that have mediocre talent at best, the draft should be all about taking the best player available. NBA readiness, system fit, etc should be tertiary considerations. The potential for getting a star is worth the risk of a draft pick bust. Freshman and sophomores drafted for their potential are relatively speaking much more likely to succeed in the NBA than more accomplished juniors and seniors.
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