If I had a chance to trade Smart For Elfrid Peyton I would do it in a heartbeat

[Monkhouse]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Dude what are you talking about........can you read and comprehend

the guy said , his shooting in college even raises questions, then he proceeded to post statistics......

WHICH ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND FALSE...

stop trying to save face. I did not do anything wrong. The guy flat out failed, and posted false statistics.

Those are not even his NBA stats, if you even want to make that case and give this guy a pass........look at Marcus Smart's stats, those are not even his NBA stats either.

Stop, just stop

I literally just looked up the stats for the two of them, and those are the correct stats for this season.  I literally don't know what to say but that you should look them up, if you find different stats, go ahead and post them, but I think you'll find that those are correct.

As for the other poster, he said that Payton's shooting in college raised questions, which it did.  Like Smart, one of the knocks on him was his poor shooting. He never claimed the stats given were from college, and neither did I.

You need to read a little closer, especially if your gonna accuse people of lying or say that I can't "read and comprehend"

Lay off the drugs.

Why are you so defensive in every post? You're acting like a real jerk...

[celtics2030]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Ok so this failed to mention hes using different statistics to measure.....

The fact remains Smart is shooting 40% and Payton about 40% this year......

In College Payton had a very good FG %

Nothing is proven with those advanced style shooting stats....

It proves nothing about why I think Payton will be better or is a better pure point guard.

Again stats mean nothing in this comparison.

[celtics2030]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Dude what are you talking about........can you read and comprehend

the guy said , his shooting in college even raises questions, then he proceeded to post statistics......

WHICH ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND FALSE...

stop trying to save face. I did not do anything wrong. The guy flat out failed, and posted false statistics.

Those are not even his NBA stats, if you even want to make that case and give this guy a pass........look at Marcus Smart's stats, those are not even his NBA stats either.

Stop, just stop

I literally just looked up the stats for the two of them, and those are the correct stats for this season.  I literally don't know what to say but that you should look them up, if you find different stats, go ahead and post them, but I think you'll find that those are correct.

As for the other poster, he said that Payton's shooting in college raised questions, which it did.  Like Smart, one of the knocks on him was his poor shooting. He never claimed the stats given were from college, and neither did I.

You need to read a little closer, especially if your gonna accuse people of lying or say that I can't "read and comprehend"

Lay off the drugs.

Why are you so defensive in every post? You're acting like a real jerk...

And this is where the tide always turns! and the OP gets blasted for being the JERK.....

I posted my thoughts and opinion, I did not say Smart sucks, or what Smart will be or not be
, you look through the posts, Everyone else got defensive and then posted why IM WRONG, wrong about what? Im stating an opinion and also backing it up with some good evidence and scouting reports on the guy.

I was attacked because I pointed out a flat out post that was false, the way it was written was the fault.

[colincb]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Dude what are you talking about........can you read and comprehend

the guy said , his shooting in college even raises questions, then he proceeded to post statistics......

WHICH ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND FALSE...

stop trying to save face. I did not do anything wrong. The guy flat out failed, and posted false statistics.

Those are not even his NBA stats, if you even want to make that case and give this guy a pass........look at Marcus Smart's stats, those are not even his NBA stats either.

Stop, just stop

I literally just looked up the stats for the two of them, and those are the correct stats for this season.  I literally don't know what to say but that you should look them up, if you find different stats, go ahead and post them, but I think you'll find that those are correct.

As for the other poster, he said that Payton's shooting in college raised questions, which it did.  Like Smart, one of the knocks on him was his poor shooting. He never claimed the stats given were from college, and neither did I.

You need to read a little closer, especially if your gonna accuse people of lying or say that I can't "read and comprehend"

Lay off the drugs.

Why are you so defensive in every post? You're acting like a real jerk...

And this is where the tide always turns! and the OP gets blasted for being the JERK.....

I posted my thoughts and opinion, I did not say Smart sucks, or what Smart will be or not be
, you look through the posts, Everyone else got defensive and then posted why IM WRONG, wrong about what? Im stating an opinion and also backing it up with some good evidence and scouting reports on the guy.

I was attacked because I pointed out a flat out post that was false, the way it was written was the fault.

Not the way you read it?

[BitterJim]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Ok so this failed to mention hes using different statistics to measure.....

The fact remains Smart is shooting 40% and Payton about 40% this year......

In College Payton had a very good FG %

Nothing is proven with those advanced style shooting stats....

It proves nothing about why I think Payton will be better or is a better pure point guard.

Again stats mean nothing in this comparison.

I don't see how 2 and 3pt percentages could ever be considered "advanced", but... okay...

As for having similar shooting percentages, that's kind of a moot point, considering that Smart shoots WAY more three pointers, so the 2 and 3pt percentages give you a much better idea.

And honestly, I could care less whether you think Payton is better than Smart, though I disagree.

My problem is when you accuse me and another poster of lying.

[celtics2030]

Read it...

He said college shooting stats are bad

The instant thing would be to check out the college statistics......

but no the guy posted this year's NBA stats,,,,,,,,,but not even that, he posted advanced stats for 2pt and 3pt categories.

But no he did not point that out at all.

What I do know is Payton shot 50.9% from the field and averaged 19.2 points a game in his final college year...

But maybe the guy's stats do prove one thing, that Smart sucks at finishing around the rim.

[colincb]

No, Smart's shooting stats in the NBA are clearly better than Peyton's.

[BitterJim]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Dude what are you talking about........can you read and comprehend

the guy said , his shooting in college even raises questions, then he proceeded to post statistics......

WHICH ARE COMPLETELY WRONG AND FALSE...

stop trying to save face. I did not do anything wrong. The guy flat out failed, and posted false statistics.

Those are not even his NBA stats, if you even want to make that case and give this guy a pass........look at Marcus Smart's stats, those are not even his NBA stats either.

Stop, just stop

I literally just looked up the stats for the two of them, and those are the correct stats for this season.  I literally don't know what to say but that you should look them up, if you find different stats, go ahead and post them, but I think you'll find that those are correct.

As for the other poster, he said that Payton's shooting in college raised questions, which it did.  Like Smart, one of the knocks on him was his poor shooting. He never claimed the stats given were from college, and neither did I.

You need to read a little closer, especially if your gonna accuse people of lying or say that I can't "read and comprehend"

Lay off the drugs.

Why are you so defensive in every post? You're acting like a real jerk...

And this is where the tide always turns! and the OP gets blasted for being the JERK.....

I posted my thoughts and opinion, I did not say Smart sucks, or what Smart will be or not be
, you look through the posts, Everyone else got defensive and then posted why IM WRONG, wrong about what? Im stating an opinion and also backing it up with some good evidence and scouting reports on the guy.

I was attacked because I pointed out a flat out post that was false, the way it was written was the fault.

So, saying that you shouldn't accuse people of lying is attacking you, but telling me to "lay off the drugs" for no reason... isn't?

[celtics2030]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Ok so this failed to mention hes using different statistics to measure.....

The fact remains Smart is shooting 40% and Payton about 40% this year......

In College Payton had a very good FG %

Nothing is proven with those advanced style shooting stats....

It proves nothing about why I think Payton will be better or is a better pure point guard.

Again stats mean nothing in this comparison.

I don't see how 2 and 3pt percentages could ever be considered "advanced", but... okay...

As for having similar shooting percentages, that's kind of a moot point, considering that Smart shoots WAY more three pointers, so the 2 and 3pt percentages give you a much better idea.

And honestly, I could care less whether you think Payton is better than Smart, though I disagree.

My problem is when you accuse me and another poster of lying.

Because in reality he is

Smart shoots almost 2 shots inside the arc , compared to his 3.5 attempts from 3 point land

meaning he barely shoots 2 pointers , which means two things.

1 of those 2 shots can possibly be a 5 footer or a layup , so yes he is shooting 48 from inside the arc but since hes shooting so many 3 pointers his field goal percentage is taken down, which should be noted.

Elfrid takes .5 attempts from 3 point land, most of this shot attempts are layups and jumpers , so of course he will have a lower 2 point percentage, its understandable.

[celtics2030]

No, Smart's shooting stats in the NBA are clearly better than Peyton's.

No they are not...but he is shooting better so far.

They both are still 40% shooters, no matter how you want to spin it...

Although Elfrid has been an abomination at the line,

but he takes no three pointers.



Right now Smart is actually benefiting from this freelance offense SHOOTING WISE, but he still cant shoot, or drive.

[BitterJim]

Read it...

He said college shooting stats are bad

The instant thing would be to check out the college statistics......

but no the guy posted this year's NBA stats,,,,,,,,,but not even that, he posted advanced stats for 2pt and 3pt categories.

But no he did not point that out at all.

What I do know is Payton shot 50.9% from the field and averaged 19.2 points a game in his final college year...

But maybe the guy's stats do prove one thing, that Smart sucks at finishing around the rim.

Yup, he DID say that his shooting stats were bad.  But, again, he never said that those stats were for college, and they were correct for the NBA, so, no, me and him weren't lying

I don't know why you insist on trying to prove that the other poster was lying

[BitterJim]

folks here are using points, assists, and rebounds as comparison stats, which is fine. but when looking at differences shooting percentages need to be viewed fully as well.

peyton's shooting, even in college, raises questions.

peyton
2pt% = 41.1
3pt% = 21.1
ft% = 48.8

smart
2pt% = 48.9
3pt% = 35
ft% = 68.8

Why are you lying?

Why are you accusing him of lying? Those stats are correct, look them up.

so your lying as well?

Your telling me that Elfrid Payton did not average 19.2 points a game and 50.9% from the field in his final year?

I'm telling you that, this year, those stats are correct.  Seriously, look them up.  I don't care what he shot in college, he's shooting abysmally in the NBA

Ok so this failed to mention hes using different statistics to measure.....

The fact remains Smart is shooting 40% and Payton about 40% this year......

In College Payton had a very good FG %

Nothing is proven with those advanced style shooting stats....

It proves nothing about why I think Payton will be better or is a better pure point guard.

Again stats mean nothing in this comparison.

I don't see how 2 and 3pt percentages could ever be considered "advanced", but... okay...

As for having similar shooting percentages, that's kind of a moot point, considering that Smart shoots WAY more three pointers, so the 2 and 3pt percentages give you a much better idea.

And honestly, I could care less whether you think Payton is better than Smart, though I disagree.

My problem is when you accuse me and another poster of lying.

Because in reality he is

Smart shoots almost 2 shots inside the arc , compared to his 3.5 attempts from 3 point land

meaning he barely shoots 2 pointers , which means two things.

1 of those 2 shots can possibly be a 5 footer or a layup , so yes he is shooting 48 from inside the arc but since hes shooting so many 3 pointers his field goal percentage is taken down, which should be noted.

Elfrid takes .5 attempts from 3 point land, most of this shot attempts are layups and jumpers , so of course he will have a lower 2 point percentage, its understandable.

Shooting lots of layups should give someone a decreased shooting percentage?

[celtics2030]

It can if you suck at finishing

[celtics2030]

Read it...

He said college shooting stats are bad

The instant thing would be to check out the college statistics......

but no the guy posted this year's NBA stats,,,,,,,,,but not even that, he posted advanced stats for 2pt and 3pt categories.

But no he did not point that out at all.

What I do know is Payton shot 50.9% from the field and averaged 19.2 points a game in his final college year...

But maybe the guy's stats do prove one thing, that Smart sucks at finishing around the rim.

Yup, he DID say that his shooting stats were bad.  But, again, he never said that those stats were for college, and they were correct for the NBA, so, no, me and him weren't lying

I don't know why you insist on trying to prove that the other poster was lying

I took the lying back, but he was still wrong...

Payton shot 54% from 2 point land in college.....


i mean these stats are pointless
like i told you Smart takes about 2 shots again from inside the arc

Elfrid takes like 7,

so of course as rookies and not great shooters they will not shoot that well


Useless statistics.

But I know he was just trying to find anything to make Payton look bad and make Smart look better than he really is.

[celtics2030]

Read it...

He said college shooting stats are bad

The instant thing would be to check out the college statistics......

but no the guy posted this year's NBA stats,,,,,,,,,but not even that, he posted advanced stats for 2pt and 3pt categories.

But no he did not point that out at all.

What I do know is Payton shot 50.9% from the field and averaged 19.2 points a game in his final college year...

But maybe the guy's stats do prove one thing, that Smart sucks at finishing around the rim.

Yup, he DID say that his shooting stats were bad.  But, again, he never said that those stats were for college, and they were correct for the NBA, so, no, me and him weren't lying

I don't know why you insist on trying to prove that the other poster was lying

Dude he said Elfrid's shooting raises questions

so I look at Elfrid's 2 point percentage in College and he shot 54%,

Smart never shot better than any of Elfrid's 3 years at college.

So what questions are being raised?