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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2014, 10:41:24 AM »

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AI was the most inefficient scorer in the history of all basketball ever, Rondo is the best passer since Stockon. They`re the same?


I guess u never saw Magic Johnson play the point...
How long you been watching the Celtics/ Are you a pink hat?

He said Rondo is the best passer since stockton, who's career ended after Magic's , meaning Rondo is the best since Stockton. Why don't you try comprehending what you read .

I guess you haven't seen TParker or CPaul play either or perhaps SCurry oh wait, JWall, ?

  I'd guess you haven't either if you think that Parker or Curry are great passers.


We agree to disagree.
To be a max player or an elite player you need the all around game. Rondo is one or two dimensional. His play again is very good surrounded by an established winning team where his faults are not noticeable.
All Im saying is, he is not a player to build around. He is not Pierce or KG in their prime. He is not a JWall or CPaul type.
He is a chip in a rebuilding franchise.

I don't see him as a Player who can lure a MGasol, KDurant or James for that matter.
He's just not that type of player!

  I guess we disagree about a few things. A guys who's a very good scorer and fairly mediocre rebounder, passer and defender has an "all around game", but a player who's a great passer, rebounder and defender but not a great scorer is "one or two dimensional". I think those terms mean the opposite of how you're using them. Clearly you don't think he's a player to build around, but that's not uncommon among people who can't see a difference in passing ability between players like Rondo and Parker.

I dunno man...Rondo looks pretty two dimensional to me.

But then again, so do all other players since I am only able to watch through a screen.

Edit:

But guys like Big Baby and Sully...you know, guys who have a little girth to them...they really pop. Must be the HD broadcast. I'd say those guys are the ones who are really 3 dimensional, maybe more.

  I stand corrected.

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2014, 11:39:28 AM »

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Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.


Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

Of all the Rondo points of view that I believe to be exaggerated, the "Rondo carried the Celtics to a Championship" is the hardest to understand.  It is kind of like saying that Avery Johnson carried the Spurs to a championship in 1999 so he must be better than say Gary Payton.

Gee, do you think if Iverson had a player of the stature of KG and PP on the team that they might have done a little better?  The team that Rondo is working with now is not all that much different than the team Iverson had although that Phi team was more experienced where as this current Celtics team is mediocre and young.

As to the comparison to Iverson vs. Rondo in terms of being talented and also limiting to the team for a number of reasons, I guess you can get there but I feel you have to connect too many dots to make all that viable of a comparison.  I agree that Iverson forced you to build a specific team around him to allow him to do his thing and if you didn't, you negated much of his talent and contribution and there is a similar effect with Rondo but there are far more things about the two that are not comparable.
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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2014, 12:11:36 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2014, 12:17:16 PM »

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Evan Turner is our Iverson.

You wish Turner was 1% Iverson

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2014, 12:32:32 PM »

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Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.


Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

Of all the Rondo points of view that I believe to be exaggerated, the "Rondo carried the Celtics to a Championship" is the hardest to understand. 


  I don't think that's a very common claim. You frequently see "Rondo won a title" and "Rondo carried the team to the finals" (referring to 2010). I don't recall seeing very many "Rondo carried the team to the Championship".
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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2014, 05:16:36 PM »

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Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.


Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

Of all the Rondo points of view that I believe to be exaggerated, the "Rondo carried the Celtics to a Championship" is the hardest to understand.

I would find that assertion hard to understand as well.  Do you know of anybody who has actually ever made that claim?  I don't recall anyone ever doing so.

But it sure would be ridiculously easy to tear down that assertion if someone did.  Almost as if it were made of straw.

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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2014, 05:32:18 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.
Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2014, 05:59:54 PM »

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oh boy..those 16 assists are so allen Iverson-like......I don't see how the team does better without him....

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #68 on: November 16, 2014, 06:25:52 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.
Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

He was also a husk of himself at that point in his career.
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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #69 on: November 16, 2014, 06:30:59 PM »

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No. I like Rondo.
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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2014, 06:46:16 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.
Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

He was also a husk of himself at that point in his career.

He won defensive player of the year that season....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2014, 06:52:27 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.
Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

He was also a husk of himself at that point in his career.

He won defensive player of the year that season....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

KG was also past his prime when he won his DPOY. What's your point?
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
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Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2014, 06:59:59 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.
Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

He was also a husk of himself at that point in his career.

He won defensive player of the year that season....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

KG was also past his prime when he won his DPOY. What's your point?

  Mutombo also led the league in rebounding that year. I think you're a couple of years off on your "husk" comment.

Re: Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?
« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2014, 07:36:45 PM »

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It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.
Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

He was also a husk of himself at that point in his career.

He won defensive player of the year that season....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

KG was also past his prime when he won his DPOY. What's your point?

  Mutombo also led the league in rebounding that year. I think you're a couple of years off on your "husk" comment.

Yeah, I mean he wasn't Atlanta Mutombo but he was still a pretty insane 10/13.5/2.7 in '01. 

The NJ stint really spelled the end of his prime.  He was never the same past '02-03.  Age & injuries started getting to him. 


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