Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?

[Mazingerz]

oh boy..those 16 assists are so allen Iverson-like......I don't see how the team does better without him....

Rondo also abhors practice

[D.o.s.]

It always seems to get forgotten, but Iverson wasn't the only likely Hall of Famer on that 2001 Sixers team.  Iverson very much carried the offense, but Mutombo was arguably just as important on the other side of the ball.

Dikembe Mutumbo was an all-star in the year Philly went to the finals, wasn't he?

He was also a husk of himself at that point in his career.

He won defensive player of the year that season....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Defensive_Player_of_the_Year_Award

KG was also past his prime when he won his DPOY. What's your point?

  Mutombo also led the league in rebounding that year. I think you're a couple of years off on your "husk" comment.

He was 34, and his rebounding actually dipped down after he was traded to Philly, but you might be right -- particularly since he didn't retire until 2009, and didn't fall completely off a cliff until the end of the 2002 season. To continue the KG comp, he was akin to the 2012 Garnett.

That said, a lot of those turn of the century Playoff series are on youtube. You can judge for yourself.

[jwmann2]

Off the court, Iverson had a checkered past. Rondo does not and is a family guy, goes to church, etc. On the court, Iverson was a pure scorer. They're both the same size almost. Rondo can score to but is more of a traditional point guard. How many titles did Iverson ever win anyway? I rest my case.

[D.o.s.]

Off the court, Iverson had a checkered past. Rondo does not and is a family guy, goes to church, etc. On the court, Iverson was a pure scorer. They're both the same size almost. Rondo can score to but is more of a traditional point guard. How many titles did Iverson ever win anyway? I rest my case.

Rondo's 2-3 inches taller than Iverson, depending on footwear.

[dmopower]

Iverson did not carry his team to the finals.  He had Mutombo in the paint to clean up his mess.  He was a great scorer if you can be called a great scorer while shooting so badly.  But he never used his tallents to make anyone around him better.

  Matt Harpring after signing with Utah Jazz when asked why he left the 76'ers.  "Well in Utah when you cut to the basket, they actually pass you the ball".  Iverson had terrible court vision and often took bad shots while missing open teammates.

 Rondo and Iverson are alike in that Iverson only trusted himself to take shots and Rondo prefers to be the one making the play.  But Ill take Rondo 8 days a week over Iverson.

 If Rondo plays Brads game plan we are better with him. So is any other team he likley would play for. As long as Rondo remains coachable he is a beast!

[slamtheking]

Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.

Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

your credibility took a huge hit just praising Iverson but you eliminated whatever was left by calling PP and Ray only All-Stars.  They'll be in the HOF and it's not even in question.  obviously your talent evaluation isn't as good as you think

as for the main topic, I'd take Rondo over Iverson all day long.  Iverson was always an overrated chucker who didn't make any of his teammates better.  Rondo gets his teammates involved and is unselfish to a fault.  He also contributes to the game in so many more ways than Iverson ever did.

Can't stand Iverson  -- he represents everything that was wrong with basketball in the 90's and early 00's.  only positive aspect to him is he hated losing--I'll at least give him that.  but even then, he would only try to win on his terms but he was too pig-headed to realize that his way of playing would never result in a championship

HAHA  You guys crack me up..
When did you start following the Celtics? Pre 90 or Post 90. I go back to 1974 when Jo Jo White ran the point for 2 Championship seasons my friend. You ever see Jo Jo play?
Rondo couldn't hold Jo Jo White's Jock..

I tell you what Brother, when AI is giving his speech in Springfield you make sure you praise him then.
When Rondo puts himself in front of the Celtics again, and it will happen, you make sure you get invited to his birthday party.

Back to AI. Go search out some stats, most elite point guards shot between 40 and 50 % from the field, so the argument is moot..

Like I said, Rondo has value, not in Boston. If this player was a Team Player he would not be asking for a Max deal!

pretty arrogant for someone that likes Iverson's game.  IF he makes the HOF, it's on ballots of people who only look at PPG and not the rest of his game.   I still take Rondo every day of the week over AI.

Been watching the C's since Bird's rookie year bud.  seen plenty of great players in my time.  Iverson isn't one of them.  couldn't care less if you saw JoJo play.  doesn't give you better credentials than anyone else.  your posts however, kill your credibility

[D.o.s.]

pretty arrogant for someone that likes Iverson's game.  IF he makes the HOF, it's on ballots of people who only look at PPG and not the rest of his game.   I still take Rondo every day of the week over AI.

Been watching the C's since Bird's rookie year bud.  seen plenty of great players in my time.  Iverson isn't one of them.  couldn't care less if you saw JoJo play.  doesn't give you better credentials than anyone else.  your posts however, kill your credibility

Nah, that's not true. You can dislike his game but he was definitely a first ballot Hall of Fame talent, and not simply because he scored a lot of points.

Interestingly enough, I can't think of a single player that's seen so much bile tossed his way since he retired. It's like all the people who didn't like him just waited until the hype died down to do nothing but urinate on his ashes, as it were. Definitely one of, if not the, most divisive NBA careers of all time.


Of course, the Rondo/Iverson comparison is complete and utter twiddle, but that's neither here nor there. You could just as easily keep it in house and compare Rondo to 'Toine or something. Or Jason Kidd on the Nets, if you want to compare players who, you know, actually bear any kind of resemblance to each other on the court.

[kozlodoev]

Don't know about first-ballot HoF, but he's definitely on my first  ballot for comic relief...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vBkTcpMGs

[flybono]

Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.

Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

your credibility took a huge hit just praising Iverson but you eliminated whatever was left by calling PP and Ray only All-Stars.  They'll be in the HOF and it's not even in question.  obviously your talent evaluation isn't as good as you think

as for the main topic, I'd take Rondo over Iverson all day long.  Iverson was always an overrated chucker who didn't make any of his teammates better.  Rondo gets his teammates involved and is unselfish to a fault.  He also contributes to the game in so many more ways than Iverson ever did.

Can't stand Iverson  -- he represents everything that was wrong with basketball in the 90's and early 00's.  only positive aspect to him is he hated losing--I'll at least give him that.  but even then, he would only try to win on his terms but he was too pig-headed to realize that his way of playing would never result in a championship

HAHA  You guys crack me up..
When did you start following the Celtics? Pre 90 or Post 90. I go back to 1974 when Jo Jo White ran the point for 2 Championship seasons my friend. You ever see Jo Jo play?
Rondo couldn't hold Jo Jo White's Jock..

I tell you what Brother, when AI is giving his speech in Springfield you make sure you praise him then.
When Rondo puts himself in front of the Celtics again, and it will happen, you make sure you get invited to his birthday party.

Back to AI. Go search out some stats, most elite point guards shot between 40 and 50 % from the field, so the argument is moot..

Like I said, Rondo has value, not in Boston. If this player was a Team Player he would not be asking for a Max deal!

pretty arrogant for someone that likes Iverson's game.  IF he makes the HOF, it's on ballots of people who only look at PPG and not the rest of his game.   I still take Rondo every day of the week over AI.

Been watching the C's since Bird's rookie year bud.  seen plenty of great players in my time.  Iverson isn't one of them.  couldn't care less if you saw JoJo play.  doesn't give you better credentials than anyone else.  your posts however, kill your credibility

Take the foot out of your mouth.. Your right you never saw Jo Jo White play, cus if you did you would see what it takes fro be a complete point guard and a Player to build around..
Far as Iverson, he's a Hall of Famer end of discussion. Not one super star player ever won a Championship on his own. Far as Mutumbo, he was never Parrish, Olajuwan Jabbar, Shaq or even Duncan. 

My Post are that of the truth about Rondo's Game. Take the rose colored glasses off.
Unless you surround Rondo with superior talent to showcase his skill of being a pass only point guard he is not going to lead you anywhere.
Tell me, where are you going to get the talent? Free Agents, none will sign here, as the case with Anthony and Love. It will be the same next season.

If Rondo was CPaul talent your [dang] right u keep him. He's not. He has value to further rebuild this team vis trade.

[rondohondo]

Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.

Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

your credibility took a huge hit just praising Iverson but you eliminated whatever was left by calling PP and Ray only All-Stars.  They'll be in the HOF and it's not even in question.  obviously your talent evaluation isn't as good as you think

as for the main topic, I'd take Rondo over Iverson all day long.  Iverson was always an overrated chucker who didn't make any of his teammates better.  Rondo gets his teammates involved and is unselfish to a fault.  He also contributes to the game in so many more ways than Iverson ever did.

Can't stand Iverson  -- he represents everything that was wrong with basketball in the 90's and early 00's.  only positive aspect to him is he hated losing--I'll at least give him that.  but even then, he would only try to win on his terms but he was too pig-headed to realize that his way of playing would never result in a championship

HAHA  You guys crack me up..
When did you start following the Celtics? Pre 90 or Post 90. I go back to 1974 when Jo Jo White ran the point for 2 Championship seasons my friend. You ever see Jo Jo play?
Rondo couldn't hold Jo Jo White's Jock..

I tell you what Brother, when AI is giving his speech in Springfield you make sure you praise him then.
When Rondo puts himself in front of the Celtics again, and it will happen, you make sure you get invited to his birthday party.

Back to AI. Go search out some stats, most elite point guards shot between 40 and 50 % from the field, so the argument is moot..

Like I said, Rondo has value, not in Boston. If this player was a Team Player he would not be asking for a Max deal!

pretty arrogant for someone that likes Iverson's game.  IF he makes the HOF, it's on ballots of people who only look at PPG and not the rest of his game.   I still take Rondo every day of the week over AI.

Been watching the C's since Bird's rookie year bud.  seen plenty of great players in my time.  Iverson isn't one of them.  couldn't care less if you saw JoJo play.  doesn't give you better credentials than anyone else.  your posts however, kill your credibility

Take the foot out of your mouth.. Your right you never saw Jo Jo White play, cus if you did you would see what it takes fro be a complete point guard and a Player to build around..
Far as Iverson, he's a Hall of Famer end of discussion. Not one super star player ever won a Championship on his own. Far as Mutumbo, he was never Parrish, Olajuwan Jabbar, Shaq or even Duncan. 

My Post are that of the truth about Rondo's Game. Take the rose colored glasses off.
Unless you surround Rondo with superior talent to showcase his skill of being a pass only point guard he is not going to lead you anywhere.
Tell me, where are you going to get the talent? Free Agents, none will sign here, as the case with Anthony and Love. It will be the same next season.

If Rondo was CPaul talent your [dang] right u keep him. He's not. He has value to further rebuild this team vis trade.

What are you even talking about? Love wasn't a free agent, and the C's had no cap space to sign Melo . The C's have plenty of trade chips ( KO,Smart, Sully , tons of picks) and cap room this off-season to resign Rondo and add another max player.  Rondo makes everyone around him a better player, why wouldn't you want to build around a player like that? Literally makes zero sense.

We still need a closer/go to guy and rim protector , but I don't see how trading away a top 20 player in the NBA,only 28 yrs old,  makes a rebuild faster

[greg683x]

HAHA  You guys crack me up..
When did you start following the Celtics? Pre 90 or Post 90. I go back to 1974 when Jo Jo White ran the point for 2 Championship seasons my friend. You ever see Jo Jo play?
Rondo couldn't hold Jo Jo White's Jock..

I tell you what Brother, when AI is giving his speech in Springfield you make sure you praise him then.
When Rondo puts himself in front of the Celtics again, and it will happen, you make sure you get invited to his birthday party.

Back to AI. Go search out some stats, most elite point guards shot between 40 and 50 % from the field, so the argument is moot..

Like I said, Rondo has value, not in Boston. If this player was a Team Player he would not be asking for a Max deal!

   WHAT?!

Dude thats like saying most great baseball players bat between .200 and .300.    Way to leave the largest range imaginable out there so you can be right in every possible way, even when youre wrong.

[BballTim]

Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.

Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

your credibility took a huge hit just praising Iverson but you eliminated whatever was left by calling PP and Ray only All-Stars.  They'll be in the HOF and it's not even in question.  obviously your talent evaluation isn't as good as you think

as for the main topic, I'd take Rondo over Iverson all day long.  Iverson was always an overrated chucker who didn't make any of his teammates better.  Rondo gets his teammates involved and is unselfish to a fault.  He also contributes to the game in so many more ways than Iverson ever did.

Can't stand Iverson  -- he represents everything that was wrong with basketball in the 90's and early 00's.  only positive aspect to him is he hated losing--I'll at least give him that.  but even then, he would only try to win on his terms but he was too pig-headed to realize that his way of playing would never result in a championship

HAHA  You guys crack me up..
When did you start following the Celtics? Pre 90 or Post 90. I go back to 1974 when Jo Jo White ran the point for 2 Championship seasons my friend. You ever see Jo Jo play?
Rondo couldn't hold Jo Jo White's Jock..

I tell you what Brother, when AI is giving his speech in Springfield you make sure you praise him then.
When Rondo puts himself in front of the Celtics again, and it will happen, you make sure you get invited to his birthday party.

Back to AI. Go search out some stats, most elite point guards shot between 40 and 50 % from the field, so the argument is moot..

Like I said, Rondo has value, not in Boston. If this player was a Team Player he would not be asking for a Max deal!

pretty arrogant for someone that likes Iverson's game.  IF he makes the HOF, it's on ballots of people who only look at PPG and not the rest of his game.   I still take Rondo every day of the week over AI.

Been watching the C's since Bird's rookie year bud.  seen plenty of great players in my time.  Iverson isn't one of them.  couldn't care less if you saw JoJo play.  doesn't give you better credentials than anyone else.  your posts however, kill your credibility

Take the foot out of your mouth.. Your right you never saw Jo Jo White play, cus if you did you would see what it takes fro be a complete point guard and a Player to build around..
Far as Iverson, he's a Hall of Famer end of discussion. Not one super star player ever won a Championship on his own. Far as Mutumbo, he was never Parrish, Olajuwan Jabbar, Shaq or even Duncan. 

My Post are that of the truth about Rondo's Game. Take the rose colored glasses off.
Unless you surround Rondo with superior talent to showcase his skill of being a pass only point guard he is not going to lead you anywhere.
Tell me, where are you going to get the talent? Free Agents, none will sign here, as the case with Anthony and Love. It will be the same next season.

If Rondo was CPaul talent your [dang] right u keep him. He's not. He has value to further rebuild this team vis trade.

  I'm with slamtheking on this one. The fact that you saw JoJo play doesn't in and of itself make you some kind of expert, and your posts are pretty long on "I"m right because I say so" and not so long on anything else. You're not the only one here who saw JoJo play, by the way, just the only one who thinks that having seen JoJo play greatly elevates the status of their opinion.

[dark_lord]

rondo could never carry a team the way iverson did in philly

[slamtheking]

Call me crazy but didn't Rondo WIN a title?  Took a team to another one and might have won a second if my second least favorite player in the history of the NBA didn't try to break his arm.

Two totally different styles but the biggest difference is AI couldn't have played with other great offensive players like Pierce and Ray Ray while Rondo helped them excel.

Pierce established All-Star, Allen All-star, Garnett Hall of Famer. To think Rondo took a team anywhere is absurd. He was a piece to a large puzzle that put it all together.
Lets not forget, Pierce was already here.

Rondo is not Pierce nor is he CPaul. He is not going to attract any big time free agents here in Boston. We saw that last season with Anthony. Don't tell me Ainge couldn't have gotten creative like Clev did to obtain Love by trading salaries and picks to get Anthony signed . If Love told MN he wanted Boston he'd be in Boston. There is a reason, and it probably runs deeper than Rondo the player on the court.

All Im saying is, Rondo is a legit trade chip to improve this Team going forward with the rebuilding process. If you keep him here in Boston, your never going to win. He will age with a big contract you'll never move plus, I don't believe he is a true Leader. He proved that when he thru Stevens under the bus with the birthday bash!

your credibility took a huge hit just praising Iverson but you eliminated whatever was left by calling PP and Ray only All-Stars.  They'll be in the HOF and it's not even in question.  obviously your talent evaluation isn't as good as you think

as for the main topic, I'd take Rondo over Iverson all day long.  Iverson was always an overrated chucker who didn't make any of his teammates better.  Rondo gets his teammates involved and is unselfish to a fault.  He also contributes to the game in so many more ways than Iverson ever did.

Can't stand Iverson  -- he represents everything that was wrong with basketball in the 90's and early 00's.  only positive aspect to him is he hated losing--I'll at least give him that.  but even then, he would only try to win on his terms but he was too pig-headed to realize that his way of playing would never result in a championship

HAHA  You guys crack me up..
When did you start following the Celtics? Pre 90 or Post 90. I go back to 1974 when Jo Jo White ran the point for 2 Championship seasons my friend. You ever see Jo Jo play?
Rondo couldn't hold Jo Jo White's Jock..

I tell you what Brother, when AI is giving his speech in Springfield you make sure you praise him then.
When Rondo puts himself in front of the Celtics again, and it will happen, you make sure you get invited to his birthday party.

Back to AI. Go search out some stats, most elite point guards shot between 40 and 50 % from the field, so the argument is moot..

Like I said, Rondo has value, not in Boston. If this player was a Team Player he would not be asking for a Max deal!

pretty arrogant for someone that likes Iverson's game.  IF he makes the HOF, it's on ballots of people who only look at PPG and not the rest of his game.   I still take Rondo every day of the week over AI.

Been watching the C's since Bird's rookie year bud.  seen plenty of great players in my time.  Iverson isn't one of them.  couldn't care less if you saw JoJo play.  doesn't give you better credentials than anyone else.  your posts however, kill your credibility

Take the foot out of your mouth.. Your right you never saw Jo Jo White play, cus if you did you would see what it takes fro be a complete point guard and a Player to build around..
Far as Iverson, he's a Hall of Famer end of discussion. Not one super star player ever won a Championship on his own. Far as Mutumbo, he was never Parrish, Olajuwan Jabbar, Shaq or even Duncan. 

My Post are that of the truth about Rondo's Game. Take the rose colored glasses off.
Unless you surround Rondo with superior talent to showcase his skill of being a pass only point guard he is not going to lead you anywhere.
Tell me, where are you going to get the talent? Free Agents, none will sign here, as the case with Anthony and Love. It will be the same next season.

If Rondo was CPaul talent your [dang] right u keep him. He's not. He has value to further rebuild this team vis trade.

dude, your the one that needs to stop stuffing your foot in your mouth every time you open it.

your just being obnoxious because you can't seem to deal with people (many here in fact) disagreeing with you.  get over yourself.  your 'knowledge' of basketball isn't impressive.  in fact, it's quite the opposite.  I'm done.