Is Rondo the Celtics Iverson ?

[GreenFaith1819]

I was not saying they were the same player.  The styles are nowhere the same.  Let me try to say what I mean.  When my friend was watching the 76ers he would not understand why when AI was out the team would play better.  I feal that way with Rondo at times (even though I think he is great ).  See the chicago game and then OKC.  Its almost like the players around them do not play as hard, but when they are out, effort goes up.

I see your point, but perhaps this is because of the coaching?

We played very well vs CHI, but I don't expect us to beat them many times without our best player. And I don't expect our frontline to play as well vs theirs under normal circumstances.

Pau-Joakim-Taj is perhaps the best out there, besides MEM's frontline.

IMO, that was almost a perfect game we played vs CHI.

[BballTim]

I really don't see any similarities between the two besides both being guards. 

Their styles of play & temperaments are completely different.

  Couple of tough customers though.

Tough customers play defense, don't they?

  Pretty much.

[BballTim]

I was not saying they were the same player.  The styles are nowhere the same.  Let me try to say what I mean.  When my friend was watching the 76ers he would not understand why when AI was out the team would play better.  I feal that way with Rondo at times (even though I think he is great ).  See the chicago game and then OKC.  Its almost like the players around them do not play as hard, but when they are out, effort goes up.

  That happens at times. Players depend on stars quite a bit and try to do more when they're out. As for your examples, the Celts outscored OKC by 1 when Rondo played and were outscored by 16 in the 12 minutes he sat on the bench. All of his detractors will tell you that that's the team losing because Rondo played without a second thought. Technically, without a first thought either.

[mr. dee]

The only similarities they have is the mental toughness. AI was being beaten physically by the likes of Shaq, Bowen, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4__dGlrS0po

[BballTim]

I really don't see any similarities between the two besides both being guards. 

Their styles of play & temperaments are completely different.

  Couple of tough customers though.

True.  Say what you want about Iverson's personality/play but he was one helluva tough ****

  I'd say those two would be the two nba players that I'd most expect to see in a sentence that started with "pound for pound...".

  I should amend this to include Isiah Thomas.

[flybono]

AI was the most inefficient scorer in the history of all basketball ever, Rondo is the best passer since Stockon. They`re the same?

I guess u never saw Magic Johnson play the point...
How long you been watching the Celtics/ Are you a pink hat?

He said Rondo is the best passer since stockton, who's career ended after Magic's , meaning Rondo is the best since Stockton. Why don't you try comprehending what you read .

I guess you haven't seen TParker or CPaul play either or perhaps SCurry oh wait, JWall, ?

  I'd guess you haven't either if you think that Parker or Curry are great passers.

We agree to disagree.
To be a max player or an elite player you need the all around game. Rondo is one or two dimensional. His play again is very good surrounded by an established winning team where his faults are not noticeable.
All Im saying is, he is not a player to build around. He is not Pierce or KG in their prime. He is not a JWall or CPaul type.
He is a chip in a rebuilding franchise.

I don't see him as a Player who can lure a MGasol, KDurant or James for that matter.
He's just not that type of player!

[gpap]

I am not sure that Rondo and AI could be anymore different

Guess I sorta see the similarities but they are totally different players.

Rondo needs a go to scorer to he can pass the ball to.

[GreenFaith1819]

We agree to disagree.
To be a max player or an elite player you need the all around game. Rondo is one or two dimensional. His play again is very good surrounded by an established winning team where his faults are not noticeable.
All Im saying is, he is not a player to build around. He is not Pierce or KG in their prime. He is not a JWall or CPaul type.
He is a chip in a rebuilding franchise.

I don't see him as a Player who can lure a MGasol, KDurant or James for that matter.
He's just not that type of player!

If Rondo is here past the Feb2015 trade deadline, I expect great things to happen in the future. I expect one of those stars you mention or perhaps someone you didn't mention joining BOS next season, or perhaps sooner.

A star will be drawn here by a collection of reasons - not just our All-Star future HOF PG. They will be drawn here on our Tradition. They will be drawn here by our competitiveness. They will be drawn here by Coach Stevens, Danny and our bright future.

For all the talk about John Wall, CP3 or some of the other star PGs, the rubber has to soon meet the road, especially with CP3.

We talk about "the talent surrounding Rajon making him better and hiding his flaws". What about CP3?

CP3 is perhaps the most well-rounded PG of our time. He's had David West, Tyson Chandler, and now Blake and DeAndre in their primes, and even Doc Rivers and Byron Scott as coaches.

Does it really take having a PG with ALL the tools to win it all? Some would say "No - but having a CP3 puts you in a better position." While I can't argue with that, so far it hasn't been proven to me, at least since Magic and Stockton helped lead their teams to success.

[BballTim]

AI was the most inefficient scorer in the history of all basketball ever, Rondo is the best passer since Stockon. They`re the same?

I guess u never saw Magic Johnson play the point...
How long you been watching the Celtics/ Are you a pink hat?

He said Rondo is the best passer since stockton, who's career ended after Magic's , meaning Rondo is the best since Stockton. Why don't you try comprehending what you read .

I guess you haven't seen TParker or CPaul play either or perhaps SCurry oh wait, JWall, ?

  I'd guess you haven't either if you think that Parker or Curry are great passers.

We agree to disagree.
To be a max player or an elite player you need the all around game. Rondo is one or two dimensional. His play again is very good surrounded by an established winning team where his faults are not noticeable.
All Im saying is, he is not a player to build around. He is not Pierce or KG in their prime. He is not a JWall or CPaul type.
He is a chip in a rebuilding franchise.

I don't see him as a Player who can lure a MGasol, KDurant or James for that matter.
He's just not that type of player!

  I guess we disagree about a few things. A guys who's a very good scorer and fairly mediocre rebounder, passer and defender has an "all around game", but a player who's a great passer, rebounder and defender but not a great scorer is "one or two dimensional". I think those terms mean the opposite of how you're using them. Clearly you don't think he's a player to build around, but that's not uncommon among people who can't see a difference in passing ability between players like Rondo and Parker.

[timobusa]

Iverson is a Hall of Famer my friend. Rondo's game isn't even close to AI on his best day..

I understand what your trying to say, no way in hell should Rondo and Iverson be spoken in the same sentence!

I said it once I'll say it again, Rondo's value to the Celtics is via trade. He proved his worth last night by not being able to hit open jump shots. He cannot shoot, he is not a leader..

Yes, he can be a viable PG on an established team. Not with rookies and or fringe players.
If Danny does not trade him, then Ainge himself should be shown the door!

Its about Scouting drafting development..

Rondo isn't close to AI ? You are insane. Rondo does much more than AI could ever do. AI was the ultimate chucker

Rondo makes everyone around him better , AI never did that .

Incredibly homer take, Iverson was a scoring champ and an MVP who single handedly lead his team to the finals. I realize this is a Celtics board but we are a more educated fan base than this. Respect the greatness of other teams players.

Lol Iversons only competition in the east was that time was Reggie Miller and the Pacers.

[vjcsmoke]

They couldn't be more different!

Iverson was a score-first point.  Rondo is a pass-first point.
Iverson was a volume scorer and could up points like nobody's business.
However he did not have half the court vision or passing ability of Rondo.
To each their own strengths.

[indeedproceed]

Iverson is a Hall of Famer my friend. Rondo's game isn't even close to AI on his best day..

I understand what your trying to say, no way in hell should Rondo and Iverson be spoken in the same sentence!

I said it once I'll say it again, Rondo's value to the Celtics is via trade. He proved his worth last night by not being able to hit open jump shots. He cannot shoot, he is not a leader..

Yes, he can be a viable PG on an established team. Not with rookies and or fringe players.
If Danny does not trade him, then Ainge himself should be shown the door!

Its about Scouting drafting development..

Rondo isn't close to AI ? You are insane. Rondo does much more than AI could ever do. AI was the ultimate chucker

Rondo makes everyone around him better , AI never did that .

Incredibly homer take, Iverson was a scoring champ and an MVP who single handedly lead his team to the finals. I realize this is a Celtics board but we are a more educated fan base than this. Respect the greatness of other teams players.

Lol Iversons only competition in the east was that time was Reggie Miller and the Pacers.

Jason Kidd and the Nets, Alonzo Morning, Tim Hardaway and the Heat, Ray Allen and the Bucks, and many other teams disagree. The East may have been crap, but the sixers werent the only turd trying to float to the top.

[ThaPreacher]

Rondo practices way harder than Iverson, so there!

[Celtics17]

Wow, I just read the first page of these posts but there sure are some opinions on here. It seems to me that the only way Rondo and Iverson are alike is that they are both their teams best players and the team MVP's. The only way this team is better without Rondo is if he is traded and that trade gets the team pieces that it needs more then a point guard.

I am amazed at all of the Rondo bashing I see on this forum. Is the guy perfect? Of course he isnt but he is very good and a lot of teams dont have a point anywhere near Rondo's ability. Some players are better suited for closing out games then others but it doesnt necessarily make them better players overall.

[pokeKingCurtis]

AI was the most inefficient scorer in the history of all basketball ever, Rondo is the best passer since Stockon. They`re the same?

I guess u never saw Magic Johnson play the point...
How long you been watching the Celtics/ Are you a pink hat?

He said Rondo is the best passer since stockton, who's career ended after Magic's , meaning Rondo is the best since Stockton. Why don't you try comprehending what you read .

I guess you haven't seen TParker or CPaul play either or perhaps SCurry oh wait, JWall, ?

  I'd guess you haven't either if you think that Parker or Curry are great passers.

We agree to disagree.
To be a max player or an elite player you need the all around game. Rondo is one or two dimensional. His play again is very good surrounded by an established winning team where his faults are not noticeable.
All Im saying is, he is not a player to build around. He is not Pierce or KG in their prime. He is not a JWall or CPaul type.
He is a chip in a rebuilding franchise.

I don't see him as a Player who can lure a MGasol, KDurant or James for that matter.
He's just not that type of player!

  I guess we disagree about a few things. A guys who's a very good scorer and fairly mediocre rebounder, passer and defender has an "all around game", but a player who's a great passer, rebounder and defender but not a great scorer is "one or two dimensional". I think those terms mean the opposite of how you're using them. Clearly you don't think he's a player to build around, but that's not uncommon among people who can't see a difference in passing ability between players like Rondo and Parker.

I dunno man...Rondo looks pretty two dimensional to me.

But then again, so do all other players since I am only able to watch through a screen.

Edit:

But guys like Big Baby and Sully...you know, guys who have a little girth to them...they really pop. Must be the HD broadcast. I'd say those guys are the ones who are really 3 dimensional, maybe more.