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Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #810 on: June 08, 2015, 06:20:02 PM »

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bfm, you're cutting and pasting D.o.s. incorrect statements from a different thread.  I've already put him in his place numerous times.  That dude doesn't need a cross-thread hype man.  He's brought up some flawed points that I've already addressed before he even brought up the flawed points.  Give it a rest, Flavor Flav.  I'm trying to move on from Biyombo in this thread.  If you have something of value to add, add it in the Biyombo thread that sspence started.

Oh, please! Anyone following that thread knows that D.o.s. is shredding into your Biyombo blitz. And those statements aren't incorrect.

There are lots of flawed points in that thread. But those aren't from him. ;)

P.S. - Is MKG available?
It's abundantly clear that I'm in the minority on Biyombo.  It's certainly not the first time I've been right while the rest of this forum was wrong.  *shrug* ... Took time for everyone to catch up with me on Steph Curry and Rondo too.  Give it time.


So when the time comes, am I going to be wrong about Biyombo...or MKG...or both? And who is Steph Curry in this scenario and who is Rondo? If I had to guess, Biyombo is Steph Curry here and MKG is Rondo. Correct?

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Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #811 on: June 08, 2015, 06:31:08 PM »

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bfm, you're cutting and pasting D.o.s. incorrect statements from a different thread.  I've already put him in his place numerous times.  That dude doesn't need a cross-thread hype man.  He's brought up some flawed points that I've already addressed before he even brought up the flawed points.  Give it a rest, Flavor Flav.  I'm trying to move on from Biyombo in this thread.  If you have something of value to add, add it in the Biyombo thread that sspence started.

Oh, please! Anyone following that thread knows that D.o.s. is shredding into your Biyombo blitz. And those statements aren't incorrect.

There are lots of flawed points in that thread. But those aren't from him. ;)

P.S. - Is MKG available?
It's abundantly clear that I'm in the minority on Biyombo.  It's certainly not the first time I've been right while the rest of this forum was wrong.  *shrug* ... Took time for everyone to catch up with me on Steph Curry and Rondo too.  Give it time.


So when the time comes, am I going to be wrong about Biyombo...or MKG...or both? And who is Steph Curry in this scenario and who is Rondo? If I had to guess, Biyombo is Steph Curry here and MKG is Rondo. Correct?
FWIW I've been wrong before while the rest of the forum was right.   I thought the 2012 Lakers would go 82-0.  I thought Ty Thomas had star potential.  I thought Greg Oden would be a franchise player.  I really thought Austin Rivers had a future.    Lol... Feel free to rub it in my face if Biyombo gets waived mid-season.   It's not going to take long to see if a change in scenery/role is what he needs.

Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #812 on: June 08, 2015, 06:48:16 PM »

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I was convinced Austin was going to be a star.  Tried to get him in this and the other league.  oh well - sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make.

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« Reply #813 on: June 08, 2015, 07:29:02 PM »

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I was convinced Royce White was going to be a star. I missed out on drafting him in the fantasy leagues and grabbed him later on after his fallout in Houston. I didn't imagine things would get worse on a team like Phili who could have played him 40 minutes a night, but boy was I wrong. He showed up sporting combo of physique and moves that you only find at the local YMCA in the men's over 50 leagues. On top if it all, he still refused to fly on planes and spoke in threatening terms regarding management.

I thought Donatas Motiejunas was going to be a star. I traded Andrew Bynum for him in the H2H league and got roasted for it, held on to Motiejunas for more than a year, then traded him for Glenn Davis right before he began getting regular playing time and became a very productive player. Eja saved me from myself regarding Motiejunas in the PTS league. Thank you Eja.
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« Reply #814 on: June 08, 2015, 07:40:38 PM »

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If I remember correctly the trade was BIYOMBO and a 2nd rounder that turned out to be Evan Fournier for Donatas.

I severely lost that trade by the fact that Biyombo is set to be the next......hmmmmm.....who's a guy that sucked for 4 years and then became some sort of a highly respectable starter?.....Ben Wallace? DPOY?  Is that what's going to happen?

Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #815 on: June 08, 2015, 07:48:17 PM »

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If I remember correctly the trade was BIYOMBO and a 2nd rounder that turned out to be Evan Fournier for Donatas.

I severely lost that trade by the fact that Biyombo is set to be the next......hmmmmm.....who's a guy that sucked for 4 years and then became some sort of a highly respectable starter?.....Ben Wallace? DPOY?  Is that what's going to happen?

Yep. You got killed at that time for that trade too in Yahoo. Totally bashed for trading a #7 pick for a low end draft pick like Donatas. Shows how much we all know sometimes. Motiejunas is by far the more talented and productive player, it's not even close. I was after him hard though, and you rejected so many of my offers that I eventually gave up.
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« Reply #816 on: June 08, 2015, 08:05:36 PM »

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Biyambo or MKG for the top waiver priority if fair IMO
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Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #817 on: June 08, 2015, 08:30:34 PM »

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If I remember correctly the trade was BIYOMBO and a 2nd rounder that turned out to be Evan Fournier for Donatas.

I severely lost that trade by the fact that Biyombo is set to be the next......hmmmmm.....who's a guy that sucked for 4 years and then became some sort of a highly respectable starter?.....Ben Wallace? DPOY?  Is that what's going to happen?

Yep. You got killed at that time for that trade too in Yahoo. Totally bashed for trading a #7 pick for a low end draft pick like Donatas. Shows how much we all know sometimes. Motiejunas is by far the more talented and productive player, it's not even close. I was after him hard though, and you rejected so many of my offers that I eventually gave up.
I have double checked and I don't see the bashing. It seems nobody believed in Biyombo even back then.

I got totally roasted for trading Andrew Bynum for Jonas Valanciunus.  Now....if you just give me like 5 minutes to laugh fiendishly.....almost done. Ok. phew.

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« Reply #818 on: June 08, 2015, 08:31:25 PM »

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I was convinced Royce White was going to be a star.
I got an autographed Royce White rookie card in a pack my girlfriend bought me.  I should frame that crap.

Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #819 on: June 08, 2015, 09:02:07 PM »

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I was convinced Royce White was going to be a star.
I got an autographed Royce White rookie card in a pack my girlfriend bought me.  I should frame that crap.


Send that over here! I can put it next to my framed, autographed Greg Minor and Eric Montross photos! (yes, I really do have those for some reason)

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« Reply #820 on: June 08, 2015, 11:31:13 PM »

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I was convinced Royce White was going to be a star.
I got an autographed Royce White rookie card in a pack my girlfriend bought me.  I should frame that crap.


Send that over here! I can put it next to my framed, autographed Greg Minor and Eric Montross photos! (yes, I really do have those for some reason)



Greg Minor -- in that one pretty decent year (95-96) -- would have averaged 19.1 ppg in this league.

The year before, Mr. Montross in an All-Rookie team performance averaged 24.0 ppg in 78 games.
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Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #821 on: June 09, 2015, 04:00:44 AM »

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For the record Mk can DO the Ubuntus... but I'll prob. disagree with every word SINCE UTAH FINISHED BELOW ME IN BOTH LEAGUES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAH!!!!!!!!!


Time to take the focus off of LB for a few minutes. I believe all this attention may be going to his head. ;)

Let's take a look at everyone's favorite H2H league commissioner/champion GC & his Point League silver plated roster!

Since UY! finished in second place this season, let's base this review of his teams viability to contend. We are using the baseline of 33.5ppg as the PAR value for a contending roster. A team averaging 33.5ppg over the 902 games season, will total 30,217. Pitt only totaled 29,537 points this season in 887 games for an average of 33.3ppg.

FBB Elite (50+ppg):
DeMarcus Cousins - If Cousins remains with the Kings, George Karl's uptempo offense may boost, his already obscene 53.7ppg. If/when Cousins is traded to the Cs, I would expect his ppg to remain about the same.

FBB Super Stars (44-50ppg):
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FBB All Stars(35-43ppg):
Rudy Gay - Like Cousins, Gay's stellar production may increase under Karl.
Paul Millsap - I expect Paul to remain with the Hawks, but regardless of where he ends up next season, his production will be similar.

Unrated/ Under Appreciated (30-34ppg):
Mike Conley - Boringly consistent.
Reggie Jackson - If Reggie elevated his game next season, I would not be surprised. SVG runs a PG friendly system. I can see him moving up to the All Stars by averaging ~40ppg.
David West - His production may take a hit next season, but should still be solid. Perhaps, 28-32ppg. Health is a concern.

Startable Depth (25-29ppg):
Roy Hibbert - Hibs is normally a pretty health guy. His production has violent swings in both directions. He's much easier to deal with in a points format. In a h2h league, his 3 week stretches of non-production are difficult to handle. He could use a change of scenery. It seems like Bird and co are ready to move on, but his production should remain consistent wherever he ends up.
Joe Johnson - Slowly fossilizing.
Jarret Jack - Jack's production depends on his team. Brooklyn is perfect for him. I would expect Billy King so offer him a max extension after next season b/c, well, he's Billy King.

Break In Case Of Emergency (20-24ppg):
C.J. Miles - PG13's return will cut into C.J.'s production. I can see a 17-19ppg ave for min next season.
Brandan Wright - Nothing new here.
Patrick Patterson - If Toronto make some changes, PPat may be inline for a boost. If his role increases, I would not be surprised is he hit 27-30ppg.
Jose Calderon - Jose is better when playing with better players. Is a bounce back season on the way? I am not sure. I would not gamble on it. He may be replace by a rookie or FA.

Prospects/Waiver Wire (<20ppg):
Justin Hamilton - I am not a fan. He's just another guy, but then I did some research. His 8th grade statics are remarkably similar to Bismack Biyombo's 15 y/o KBA (Kazakhstan Basketball League) production. I would expect GC to flip Hamilton for a lottery pick in this fall's draft.
2015 #8 (Draft Express - Frank Kaminsky PF) - GC acquired a very good lottery pick. I am a little hesitent to pencil in Frank the Tank b/c I expect him to be selected by BV, #1 or #1, but let's go with it.


2015/16 Projections:

PG Mike Conley       34ppg
PG Reggie Jackson    38ppg
SG Joe Johnson       26ppg
SG Jarret Jack       25ppg
SF Rudy Gay          43ppg
SF Paul Millsap      38ppg
PF David West        28ppg
PF Patrick Patterson 27ppg
C  DeMarcus Cousins  55ppg
C  Roy Hibbert       29ppg
U  Brandan Wright    21ppg
Total Points: 364
Average Points Per Game: 33.1

B  #8 (Kaminsky)     37ppg  (jk!!! let's go with 18ppg)
B  C.J. Miles        17ppg
B  Jose Calderon     16ppg
B  Justin Hamilton   8 ppg
B  <empty>



It looks like GC has a real chance to make the leap into true contention next season... or does he? The 33.1ppg is a little misleading b/c there is no adjustment for injuries. One way to work in an injury adjustment, it to add in the 12th most productive player's ppg ave (Let's use C.J's 17ppg instead of an unknown rookie's) and divide by 12. This drops GC's ppf to 31.75. This is a 1ppg increase over this pas season's 30.8ppg. This is good, but not quite contending.
 
For GC to solidify his roster, he needs to find a better 11th starter than Brandan Wright & his 21ppg and add one mid-level ~25ppg bench scorer. These two things can be done via trade or the waiver wire. GC really needs to hit on the #8 pick. Adding the right rookie here can inject a talented roster with a young player who will increasingly help as the year gets on. Striking gold with this pick, e.g. selecting a surprise ROY MCW (38ppg), may the special sauce to become just the second Points/H2H leagues cross-over Champion.


Mk

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I'm looking forward to seeing a preview of Pitts as well.  Team dominated last season, but interestingly enough their points total (29536.90) was 7th all-time and injuries forced them into a couple championship-securing long-term sacrifices that might cost them down the line. 

It would have been interesting if Utah had stayed the course for one more season... at the time of blowing it up, they had an average player score of 32.08 and Pitts had an average player score of 37.27... Pitts was on pace for a historical finish.   But by the end of the season, Pitts finished with 33.30.  Still better than Utah's peak this season, but considering Utah finished the previous season with an average of 35.50, championship #6 may have been within reach for the team. 

It's understandable why #firemkogav has been trending since December.  Ungrateful Utah fans. 

But really, even if you don't do all 20 teams publicly, you should do a Season preview post where you predict the rank and average player scores next year.  My money is on Ya'll Hate to be a major contender (after finishing 4th this year).  Average player score jumped from 25 to 28 by season end and they just made a couple key additions that could make a big difference. 
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Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #822 on: June 09, 2015, 04:37:54 AM »

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MOST IMPROVED TEAM AWARD

Congrats to Webskins who won the 2014-15 "Most Improved Team" award.  Webskins finished 8 spots higher than he did in 2013-14 (From 19th to 11th) and scored 6508.25 more points than the previous season. 

Runner-up was Designated Drinkers who finished 7 spots higher (From 15th to 8th) and 6080.20 points than the previous season.  Of note for DD, back in Jan 2014, the team had an average player score of 16.03, but after a rash of trades finished the 2013-14 season at 21.72.   They carried over that success into this season where they finished with an average player score of 29.15... that's 20th to 4th (average player score) in just 1.5 seasons.  Truly impressive.  It puts to rest the idea that it's "impossible" to build a contender in this league.

Great job, guys.

The biggest dropper shouldn't be a surprise.  After a historical championship finish, Utah stumbled into franchise-worst 7th place (6 spot drop) and scored 7226.10 less points than the previous season.  Runner-ups include MMSB (12th to 19th/-6610 points) and Champkind (3rd to 10th/-5025.65... a franchise worst)

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Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #823 on: June 09, 2015, 04:48:10 AM »

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Updated a couple pages. 

League history page: http://nedyken.com/cbpl/league-history/
Season recap:  http://nedyken.com/cbpl/league-history/2014-15/

Congrats to Juggs and Ubuntu for cracking the top 3 for the first time ever. 

I'll update the individual team pages when I get around to it. 

Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery
« Reply #824 on: June 09, 2015, 08:27:34 AM »

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I was convinced Royce White was going to be a star.
I got an autographed Royce White rookie card in a pack my girlfriend bought me.  I should frame that crap.


Send that over here! I can put it next to my framed, autographed Greg Minor and Eric Montross photos! (yes, I really do have those for some reason)

When I was younger (idk, like 8? 10?), I (somehow) got into some Celtics event that featured Dominque Wilkins and Eric Montross.  Glad I opted for that sweet picture of Montross and I rather than Dominque.