Really.. noone saw this? Hou to call on Rondo?

[kozlodoev]

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't get all the fuss about Chandler Parsons. Trading Rondo for him (and Lin and a late first round pick)?  No way I do that deal.  Parsons's has good numbers because who else is going to score for Houston after Harden? I absolutely hate Parsons' 3 point shot, it is flat, off balance.  He does some decent things, obviously a valuable contract, and playing way better than a second round pick. But is he a guy you trade your best player, an all-star, for? Is he a guy you use to build a championship team?

No.  He isn't.

And yet, he's making 37% of it, on close to 1,000 career attempts. Which is probably not affected by the Harden all that much.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I wonder if the Spurs would take Rondo for Tony Parker?

 

lol

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Its simply due diligence. Most if not every GM is probably and has probably called on Rondo at one point in time or another over the last 4 years. My guess is the calls go something like this:

Danny: Hello

Other GM: Het Danny! Its _______________

Danny: Oh hey, what's up?

Other GM: Is Rondo available.

Danny: Depends. Are you offering me just one player that is better than Rondo? Yes

Other GM: No. I just have a couple guys who's salary matches Rondo's. What do you want

Danny: How about Lin + Asik's expiring and Parsons for Rondo and Green.

Other GM: Okay.  I'll think about it.

Fixed

5 years later and still calling for a Rondo trade and think Ainge is actually shopping him, huh LB? How many deadlines have to pass with Rondo on this team and how many seasons have to start with Rondo on this team before it sinks in that your idea that Ainge is constantly shopping Rondo is a fantasy?

No way Ainge makes that trade you just "fixed" my post with. None whatsoever.

Definitely not a fantasy.  Rondo has been available for years.  Nobody has been willing to give up anything for him, though.  Ainge wouldn't have just traded him for the sake of trading him.

I don't think he'll be traded this offseason.  Doubt anyone will offer anything worthwhile.  I think we'll keep him until he's a free agent.

  Obviously a fantasy. Everything in your post is pure speculation, and the fact that your predictions about Rondo being on his way out the door have been wrong time after time doesn't help bolster your claim either.

ouch

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Sometimes I just need to remind myself on these forums...

hah

[LilRip]

Haven't read through the whole thread but if Houston was calling, I'd do something like:

Rondo+Wallace+Bass+Bogans

For

Parsons+Jones+Asik+Lin+2 future first rounders.

We lose an all star in Rondo but we get flexibility, picks, a legit Center and some interesting prospects like Parsons and Terrence Jones (hey, I like him :p)

[PhoSita]

If other free agents want to come here, that might be the perfect time to sell Rondo on the home town discount to coerce his salary lower to afford more high profile players. It might also be a perfect way to convince him his salary demands are too high as he waits to see what he could possibly get on the market and from whom. It also might be a great way to get another player in a sign and trade as most contenders, teams Rondo would want to go to, probably wouldn't have the space to sign him to a contract he wants. And there's the possibility that other players better than Rondo might all want to team in Boston and its the best way to clear cap space to afford as many players as possible.

This is an interesting way to look at it.  You may be right about the advantages.  But it's a major risk to take.

[CFAN38]

Im all over the place in my mind about a potential Rockets - Celtics Rondo trade.

For me the lottery and how the playoffs play out will decide alot for me.

In terms of the playoffs ill be interested to see how dominate miami is. Rondo is 28 and Lebron is 29 their windows for dominance will stay open and close at about the same time. This is an issue for me because if the ultimate goal is to win the next championship I dont want to see this team beat itself against a wall to just rebuild again in 5 years. I feel like it taking the easy way out but ultimately building a team with championship aspirations in 4 years rather then 1-2 might be the safer bet.

The lottery will also sway my desition. If the Cs get lucky and land Parker a player who can contribute right away and be a primary scorer then Im all for keeping Rondo. But if the Cs end up at #5 then Smart is the likely choice. I really like Smart and think he will be an allstar but his skills are not a great match for Rondo. The Cs would likely have to trade the pick either down or out all together for Vet help around Rondo (#12 + Afflalo for #5?). Another option would be making the drafting of Smart step one in the post Rondo plan.


Step 1 draft Marcus Smart #5

Step 2 complete following trade with Rockets

Rockets: get Rondo and Green

Celtics:  get Parson, Lin, Asik, #25 pick, and 2 2015 2rd pick

Step 3 Either draft BPA at #17 (Hood?) and #25 (draft and stash Capella or Tavares) or trade both picks to move up for Nurkic.

Step 4 resign AB (around 6.5mill), let  bayless and humph walk as FA

Step 5 look to move Bogans to a team in need of cap space

2015 Celtics

PG   Smart
SG   AB
SF   Parson
PF   Sully
C    Asik
6th Lin
7th KO
8th Bass
9th Wallace
10th Hood?
11th Pressey
12th Johnson
13th Fav
14th Anthony


This team wont blow anyone away but it does have a nice mix of guys and they should be a low level playoff team. I think the combo of young vets, solid role players and young talent will make for an exciting season.  Then next off-season Lin, Asik, Bass and Anthony all come off the books. Figuring Pasons signs for about 10mill the next offseason would have the Cs salary at around 38.5 mill with Parson, Wallace, Smart, Sully, KO, AB (at 6.5), Fav, Pressey and Johnson all on the books. Leaving before cap hold and Rookie salaries roughly 24mill in free cap.

This plan lays a foundation of a future with Smart, Parson and Sully and starters and AB and KO as the 6th and 7th guys playing heavy min off the bench. If these guys can hit what I see as their ceilings for potential then we could have a nice championship core in 2-3 years. Smart could very well become a Westbrook/Rose type guard just stronger and less athletic then either. Sully if heathly and in shape should be a solid 18pt 9rb guy in the z randolph mold. Parsons I can see taking the next step to a 18-20 a game solid #2-3 scorer who defends the wing and fills the stat sheet. Parson, Sully and KO are all above average passers at their positions and could work perfectly with a scoring PG.
 

 

[pokeKingCurtis]

If other free agents want to come here, that might be the perfect time to sell Rondo on the home town discount to coerce his salary lower to afford more high profile players. It might also be a perfect way to convince him his salary demands are too high as he waits to see what he could possibly get on the market and from whom. It also might be a great way to get another player in a sign and trade as most contenders, teams Rondo would want to go to, probably wouldn't have the space to sign him to a contract he wants. And there's the possibility that other players better than Rondo might all want to team in Boston and its the best way to clear cap space to afford as many players as possible.

This is an interesting way to look at it.  You may be right about the advantages.  But it's a major risk to take.

There's also considerable risk in trading an established asset (whether you think he's the 10th best point guard or the best point guard...except for those who think he's not even starting caliber, this statement does not apply to you) for "potential".

[PhoSita]

There's also considerable risk in trading an established asset (whether you think he's the 10th best point guard or the best point guard...except for those who think he's not even starting caliber, this statement does not apply to you) for "potential".

Sure, but an ideal Rondo trade would yield both an asset with "potential" (i.e. a high pick) as well as a young player with demonstrated ability.  Both would be under the Celtics' control for a while, and would cost well below a max or near-max contract.

[BleedGreen1989]

If other free agents want to come here, that might be the perfect time to sell Rondo on the home town discount to coerce his salary lower to afford more high profile players. It might also be a perfect way to convince him his salary demands are too high as he waits to see what he could possibly get on the market and from whom. It also might be a great way to get another player in a sign and trade as most contenders, teams Rondo would want to go to, probably wouldn't have the space to sign him to a contract he wants. And there's the possibility that other players better than Rondo might all want to team in Boston and its the best way to clear cap space to afford as many players as possible.

This is an interesting way to look at it.  You may be right about the advantages.  But it's a major risk to take.

It is a risk and I share some of your concerns Pho, but I think you've seen GM's generally take that risk.

If you begin trading every player who is expiring, you will have a revolving door.

Make no mistake though, it is a risk.

[Moranis]

If other free agents want to come here, that might be the perfect time to sell Rondo on the home town discount to coerce his salary lower to afford more high profile players. It might also be a perfect way to convince him his salary demands are too high as he waits to see what he could possibly get on the market and from whom. It also might be a great way to get another player in a sign and trade as most contenders, teams Rondo would want to go to, probably wouldn't have the space to sign him to a contract he wants. And there's the possibility that other players better than Rondo might all want to team in Boston and its the best way to clear cap space to afford as many players as possible.

This is an interesting way to look at it.  You may be right about the advantages.  But it's a major risk to take.

There's also considerable risk in trading an established asset (whether you think he's the 10th best point guard or the best point guard...except for those who think he's not even starting caliber, this statement does not apply to you) for "potential".

true, but a trade with Houston won't just be about potential.  It would start with Parsons who is a pretty established scorer and include at least one of Lin or Asik, both of whom are established. 

[GreenWarrior]

if this should happen I would want parsons, lin and asik in return. because quite honestly i'm not impressed by any of these guys.

[pokeKingCurtis]

If other free agents want to come here, that might be the perfect time to sell Rondo on the home town discount to coerce his salary lower to afford more high profile players. It might also be a perfect way to convince him his salary demands are too high as he waits to see what he could possibly get on the market and from whom. It also might be a great way to get another player in a sign and trade as most contenders, teams Rondo would want to go to, probably wouldn't have the space to sign him to a contract he wants. And there's the possibility that other players better than Rondo might all want to team in Boston and its the best way to clear cap space to afford as many players as possible.

This is an interesting way to look at it.  You may be right about the advantages.  But it's a major risk to take.

There's also considerable risk in trading an established asset (whether you think he's the 10th best point guard or the best point guard...except for those who think he's not even starting caliber, this statement does not apply to you) for "potential".

true, but a trade with Houston won't just be about potential.  It would start with Parsons who is a pretty established scorer and include at least one of Lin or Asik, both of whom are established.

Both Lin & Asik are expiring too, no?

A low first, Parsons and Lin and/or Asik is a bit disappointing no matter what.

[Fafnir]

Houston is going to be kicking every possible tire to upgrade their roster. All the reports, even before the loss, were that Houston thought they were a good team not a great one and that they needed to round out the roster better. So that could mean getting better on the perimeter defensively, getting another PF option who can D better, or adding a third "star".

Parsons is a pretty good SF, but he's also getting paid soon. Is he worth 8-10 million over 4 years, something like that? Because that's the sort of pay day he's probably going to command. (I'm assuming he'll be demanding Jeff Green money)

Not sure a Rondo trade alone those lines makes sense, I really think we might end up playing it out and seeing what happens in FA next offseason.

[slamtheking]

as someone else has said, the team getting the best player in the deal is the one that wins the trade.  any trade with Houston where we send out Rondo for anyone other than Harden or Howard, Houston wins that trade. 

None of Asik, Parsons or Lin or close to team building blocks.  If people have their doubts about Rondo being a building block, there's no way any of those 3 come close to fitting that concept