Really.. noone saw this? Hou to call on Rondo?

[Celtics18]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

So, let's say what we are talking about is LarBrd33's suggestion of Wallace and Rondo for Asik, Lin, and Parsons.  Then what?  Is this purely a money saving move or will Danny be looking to re-sign those guys (at least Parsons and Asik) when they come up for free agency?

Surely, between the two of them, they'll command at least what Rondo will command on the open market.  So, we'd save some cap space on Wallace's contract which isn't set to expire until the following off-season, but, on the other hand, we wouldn't have Bird's Rights to the players we traded for.  Ergo, resigning them would chew up more cap space than resigning Rondo would.

In essence, we are talking about trading Rondo for Parsons and Asik, two players who would need to get paid, as well (that's what happens with good NBA players--they get paid). 

I'm not a fan of the "we can't afford good players" philosophy of rebuilding.  Eventually, fans will decide that almost all players aren't worth what they are going to be asking for, and many will want to just get rid of them, keep sucking, and hope for luck in the lottery.

Folks seem to be so worried about what has been termed "the perpetual cycle of mediocrity," but, personally, I'm much more concerned about falling into a "perpetual cycle of suckitude."

In case it's not clear, this is an argument for keeping Rondo, paying him, and using him as our best chip to attract other good players to put around him. 

[Evantime34]

I think a deal like this will depend on what else happens. If the Celtics are able to bring in another very good player to place next to Rondo via trade then I think the chances Rondo reups is higher and we keep him.

If we end up getting a high pick in the lottery and want to go into full rebuild mode, I think it would make sense to get whatever combination of Parsons, picks, young players and salary relief you can get.

It all hinges on whether you think Rondo will bolt at the end of next year. If you think you can re-sign him then you don't talk trade unless you can get a big haul, if you think he's going to bolt then you have to aggressively seek a trade partner.

[PhoSita]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

[gpap]

I would agree with others that Houston doesn't really have anything that I would want except Harden or Howard, and obviously those 2 guys aren't going anywhere.

Maybe if DA could get a 3rd team involved, that would be more like it.

Something like this

Bos gets:
Kyrie Irving
Andersen Varajeo
Luol Deng (S/T)

Cle gets:
Jeremy Lin
Omer Asik
Chandler Parsons
Brandon Bass

Hou gets:
Rajon Rondo
Jeff Green

But Boston and Houston straight up....I don't really see it.

I am not that into Asik and Parsons.

[PhoSita]

If you begin trading every player who is expiring, you will have a revolving door.

Make no mistake though, it is a risk.

By no means do you trade every player prior to them hitting free agency.  I agree that doing so would be a bad way to do handle things (though good teams tend to line up their contracts so they expire around the same time).


I think you have to seriously consider it if:

1) There's a good chance you can't keep them, especially if keeping them will probably mean overpaying them.

2) You think you can get some pretty good return for them in a trade.

3) Keeping the player until they expire doesn't have much intrinsic value.* 


*(here, the intrinsic value of keeping Rondo is the fact that he puts butts in the seats and he may or may not have a positive effect on the development of other players on the team; the Celtics aren't going to win anything of importance next season, most likely)

[Celtics18]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

I'm fairly sure he's going to be unrestricted. 

[D.o.s.]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

I'm fairly sure he's going to be unrestricted.

Sort of -- Houston has to exercise it's team option on him for his fourth year (next season) for him to become an UFA. If they don't use the option, he'll be an RFA instead.

It's actually a pretty interesting scenario, since he's signed for so little money -- it makes both sides of the coin have some solid arguments.

[Fafnir]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

I'm fairly sure he's going to be unrestricted.

Have they picked up his option for next year yet? They have some flexibility with him if they haven't.

They can decline their option for this upcoming year's contract and make him a RFA, the main cost is they eat some guaranteed salary (not a ton). Or they can get him another year cheap as heck and then he's a UFA.

[D.o.s.]

Right ^

What escapes me at the moment is when the deadline is to sign him -- I know it's during the off-season.

[Celtics18]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

I'm fairly sure he's going to be unrestricted.

Sort of -- Houston has to exercise it's team option on him for his fourth year (next season) for him to become an UFA. If they don't use the option, he'll be an RFA instead.

It's actually a pretty interesting scenario, since he's signed for so little money -- it makes both sides of the coin have some solid arguments.

If they don't exercise his fourth year option, he becomes an RFA this off-season.  If the Rockets choose to go that route, then we are talking about a whole other kettle of fish. 

Personally, I think the Rockets should just give him that extension this summer worth, I'm guessing, about $10 million a year.  That would figure to still be a good deal for them, but of course, it does represent some risk that he won't live up to his contract.

[PhoSita]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

I'm fairly sure he's going to be unrestricted.

Have they picked up his option for next year yet? They have some flexibility with him if they haven't.

They can decline their option for this upcoming year's contract and make him a RFA, the main cost is they eat some guaranteed salary (not a ton). Or they can get him another year cheap as heck and then he's a UFA.

Seems to me like the best option for Houston would be to decline his option and then either sign him to keep him, or sign and trade him.

But I could see them choosing instead to exercise his option, open up cap space for Melo, and then hope they can re-sign Parsons after next season (or just let him walk if they can't afford him).

[D.o.s.]

We need to remember that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are all up for free agency after this coming season, as well. 

Is Parsons a UFA after his current contract, or a restricted free agent?  That matters, I think.

If he's a UFA, then it's a really bad deal, because the only "guaranteed" future asset would be the 25th pick.

I'm fairly sure he's going to be unrestricted.

Sort of -- Houston has to exercise it's team option on him for his fourth year (next season) for him to become an UFA. If they don't use the option, he'll be an RFA instead.

It's actually a pretty interesting scenario, since he's signed for so little money -- it makes both sides of the coin have some solid arguments.

If they don't exercise his fourth year option, he becomes an RFA this off-season.  If the Rockets choose to go that route, then we are talking about a whole other kettle of fish. 

Personally, I think the Rockets should just give him that extension this summer worth, I'm guessing, about $10 million a year.  That would figure to still be a good deal for them, but of course, it does represent some risk that he won't live up to his contract.

Right. The problem, really, is that Parsons got so much hype because of how little he was being paid -- once you pay Parsons Jeff Green money, he becomes much less of a steal.

[Moranis]

as someone else has said, the team getting the best player in the deal is the one that wins the trade.  any trade with Houston where we send out Rondo for anyone other than Harden or Howard, Houston wins that trade. 

None of Asik, Parsons or Lin or close to team building blocks.  If people have their doubts about Rondo being a building block, there's no way any of those 3 come close to fitting that concept

Did the Lakers win the Dwight Howard trade?  Couldn't you say that Detroit came out better than Orlando in the Hill trade (you know where ben wallace comes to Detroit)?  There are lots of other examples where the team that does not get the best player wins the trade. 

That said I agree with you that Parsons, Lin, and Asik are not building blocks, though if you got all three of them for Rondo and Green it would make Boston a better team and Asik and Parsons fill real needs for the team. 

[PhoSita]

Right. The problem, really, is that Parsons got so much hype because of how little he was being paid -- once you pay Parsons Jeff Green money, he becomes much less of a steal.

Yep.  I'd say Jeff Green money is more or less fair value for Parsons.  Which is okay, because he's a fine player.  He's the sort of player Ainge probably hoped Green would turn out to be. 

But you can't do much more with him as your best scorer than you can do with Green in that role.

[BleedGreen1989]

Not that this means absolutely anything, but...

However, Morey does not anticipate a major move that could include Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.

?I don?t expect something bigger like that to happen," Morey said when asked whether the Rockets need to involve Asik and Lin in offseason moves. "I could see where you would look to that if something bigger were to happen, but I don?t anticipate that.

?We?re always aggressive. We?ll always explore aggressive scenarios. But I feel confident if those don?t emerge, we?re not far off. We need to get (the record) into the high 50s if we?re going to be as good as we want to be. We need to improve our defense primarily. We were the youngest team in the league (in the post-season, fourth youngest and second least experienced in the regular season) and improving so an addition or two that are key, I feel confident we can make that step forward that we need to make."

Morey believes the Rockets must elevate their win total to the upper 50s and receive internal development.

?I would always take a third All-Star guy either from one of our guys improving or addition," Morey said. "There?s no negative to adding an All-Star level player. That said, I don?t feel it?s necessary. I do feel it?s my job to explore those things. I think our group playing more together after only a season together plus a lot of young players that can take a step forward and improve, plus we?ve got financial flexibility this year. We?re not limited to minimum player additions."

Via Jonathan Feigen/Houston Chronicle