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Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #135 on: March 19, 2014, 01:58:04 PM »

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Paul Pierce career averages in college - 48% shooting, 36% from three.  6.3 rebounds and 16.4 pts per game.

Doug McDermott career averages in college - 55% shooting, 46% from three.  7.5 rebounds and 21.7 pts per game.

Of course, that is NOT to suggest that Dougie Buckets is anywhere close to The Truth.  But he'll truly have to be one of worst defensive players the NBA has ever seen to not be worth a mid-to-late first round lottery pick.

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College numbers aren't an easy thing:
53% shooting,  38% from three, 12.7 rebounds and 26.2 points per game.

Can you guess who that was?


Someone who didn't play in a conference as good as the Missouri Valley Conference or the new Big East and didn't have those career averages after 4 years in college?

I'm not trying to argue for Ainge taking McDermott at 4 or 5.  But the idea that he wouldn't be a good pick at 17 in a draft where Joel Embiid, a 20 year old who has one season of college ball at 23 minutes, 11 points and 8 boards a game to his credit, is almost a lock to go top 3 even with questions about his back seems kind of dumb.

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Since you're already pointing out that college schedule and length of play largely invalidate using "normal"statistics as any kind of reliable measuring stick between players, eras, and conferences at the college level, I guess I don't have to. TP for that.

There's also the fact that, if you're really a talented basketball player, you don't play four years in college. Which you didn't bring up, but that's ok, it's a pretty well known fact.

That player was 235 lbs, 6'9", and played for the Big 12 in 2008. Didn't play for four years, because, again, the good prospects don't stay in the NCAA that long - they go pro.

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Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #136 on: March 19, 2014, 02:16:02 PM »

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Player mentioned Michael Beasley then of K-State

Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #137 on: March 19, 2014, 02:21:33 PM »

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Player mentioned Michael Beasley then of K-State

TP Given. 2nd overall pick in a 2 player draft.
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Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #138 on: March 19, 2014, 04:32:06 PM »

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Paul Pierce career averages in college - 48% shooting, 36% from three.  6.3 rebounds and 16.4 pts per game.

Doug McDermott career averages in college - 55% shooting, 46% from three.  7.5 rebounds and 21.7 pts per game.

Of course, that is NOT to suggest that Dougie Buckets is anywhere close to The Truth.  But he'll truly have to be one of worst defensive players the NBA has ever seen to not be worth a mid-to-late first round lottery pick.

Mike

College numbers aren't an easy thing:
53% shooting,  38% from three, 12.7 rebounds and 26.2 points per game.

Can you guess who that was?


Someone who didn't play in a conference as good as the Missouri Valley Conference or the new Big East and didn't have those career averages after 4 years in college?

I'm not trying to argue for Ainge taking McDermott at 4 or 5.  But the idea that he wouldn't be a good pick at 17 in a draft where Joel Embiid, a 20 year old who has one season of college ball at 23 minutes, 11 points and 8 boards a game to his credit, is almost a lock to go top 3 even with questions about his back seems kind of dumb.

Mike

Since you're already pointing out that college schedule and length of play largely invalidate using "normal"statistics as any kind of reliable measuring stick between players, eras, and conferences at the college level, I guess I don't have to. TP for that.

There's also the fact that, if you're really a talented basketball player, you don't play four years in college. Which you didn't bring up, but that's ok, it's a pretty well known fact.

That player was 235 lbs, 6'9", and played for the Big 12 in 2008. Didn't play for four years, because, again, the good prospects don't stay in the NCAA that long - they go pro.

TP to anyone who gets it.

I'm not sure how not caring about money more than anything else in the world has a thing to do with how well you can or cannot play basketball.  And if Beasley had spent 4 years in college maybe...

1.  People would have realized that he wasn't going to be a great player.

2.  The experience would have better prepared him mentally and emotionally for the NBA.

McDermott was just named the player of the year in a conference that sent 4 teams to the NCAA tournament and 2 to the NIT.  We're not talking about a guy who's filled up the stat sheet playing the Little Sisters of the Poor.  And he played against Final Four member Witchita State 3 times last season, putting up 25, 41 and 14 points.

Again, I can understand being concerned about McDermott having significant defensive issues in the NBA.  Is he quick enough to play the 3?  Can he get strong enough to play the 4?  But the idea that McDermott isn't deserving of being a 17 to 25 pick in this draft is dumb.  He could be a bust, of course, but I'd bet more than a few guys taken before him will also deserve that tag.

Mike

Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #139 on: March 19, 2014, 04:51:51 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

I don't think I'd be happy with taking McDermott because he's not a player that's of great use to the Celtics -- I'd rather go for a prospect with a higher ceiling, since we're years away from contending.
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Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #140 on: March 19, 2014, 04:56:16 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

I don't think I'd be happy with taking McDermott because he's not a player that's of great use to the Celtics -- I'd rather go for a prospect with a higher ceiling, since we're years away from contending.
McDermott was receiving indications he'd be a low first to high second round pick last year. That's why he returned to Creighton.

The reason he went back to school was to improve his draft stock and thus his opportunity to succeed as a professional basketball player. He figured that moving to the new Big East would give him a chance to prove himself against a higher level of competition.

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« Reply #141 on: March 19, 2014, 05:02:40 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

I don't think I'd be happy with taking McDermott because he's not a player that's of great use to the Celtics -- I'd rather go for a prospect with a higher ceiling, since we're years away from contending.
McDermott was receiving indications he'd be a low first to high second round pick last year. That's why he returned to Creighton.

The reason he went back to school was to improve his draft stock and thus his opportunity to succeed as a professional basketball player. He figured that moving to the new Big East would give him a chance to prove himself against a higher level of competition.
He stayed and took his chance in a stronger draft. He also improved if that was even possible. The kid is going to be a nice player. He will get chosen higher than many fans here think

Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #142 on: March 19, 2014, 05:10:06 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

I don't think I'd be happy with taking McDermott because he's not a player that's of great use to the Celtics -- I'd rather go for a prospect with a higher ceiling, since we're years away from contending.
McDermott was receiving indications he'd be a low first to high second round pick last year. That's why he returned to Creighton.

The reason he went back to school was to improve his draft stock and thus his opportunity to succeed as a professional basketball player. He figured that moving to the new Big East would give him a chance to prove himself against a higher level of competition.

Yes. That's true. I was responding specifically to this:
I'm not sure how not caring about money more than anything else in the world has a thing to do with how well you can or cannot play basketball.
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Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #143 on: March 19, 2014, 05:20:52 PM »

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Mcdermott's game looks an awful lot like Wally Szczerbiak's. I would take a guy like Wally at the end of the lottery in this draft.

Considering this thread still has life, for those who wouldn't grab McDermott at the 18 pick, can you give me a list of names of guys who look better who would still be available?

My guess is that you might be looking at a pool of Hairston, Stauskas, TJ Warren, Kyle Anderson, or the big foreigners like Nurkic or Capela.

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« Reply #144 on: March 19, 2014, 05:36:41 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Money is the #1 reason kids declare early for the draft.  There are other reasons to be sure, but money is #1.  I'm pretty sure if McDermott's dad was earning just a bit less than a D-I college basketball coach, that might have had some impact on him deciding when to turn pro.

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Re: If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick
« Reply #145 on: March 19, 2014, 05:42:51 PM »

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McDermott was receiving indications he'd be a low first to high second round pick last year. That's why he returned to Creighton.

Well, it worked.  Chad Ford had him at #48 in the top draft 100 last year.  He's #13 this year.

Which, of course, is kinda screwy.  I'm not sure how McDermott barely cracks the top 50 last year in a draft everybody knew sucked but is at the tail end of the lottery in a draft everybody has been drooling over for a couple of years.

Mike

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« Reply #146 on: March 19, 2014, 06:46:59 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Money is the #1 reason kids declare early for the draft.  There are other reasons to be sure, but money is #1.  I'm pretty sure if McDermott's dad was earning just a bit less than a D-I college basketball coach, that might have had some impact on him deciding when to turn pro.

Mike

I agree with that. I also think that's leagues away from your earlier, preachier, statement.


McDermott was receiving indications he'd be a low first to high second round pick last year. That's why he returned to Creighton.

Well, it worked.  Chad Ford had him at #48 in the top draft 100 last year.  He's #13 this year.

Which, of course, is kinda screwy.  I'm not sure how McDermott barely cracks the top 50 last year in a draft everybody knew sucked but is at the tail end of the lottery in a draft everybody has been drooling over for a couple of years.

Mike

Because  McDermott played a whole lot better this year than last year, while against better competition? Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to deduce that.
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« Reply #147 on: March 19, 2014, 07:01:07 PM »

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If you think that players only declare early for the draft because they care more about money than anything else in the world, I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Money is the #1 reason kids declare early for the draft.  There are other reasons to be sure, but money is #1.  I'm pretty sure if McDermott's dad was earning just a bit less than a D-I college basketball coach, that might have had some impact on him deciding when to turn pro.

Mike

I agree with that. I also think that's leagues away from your earlier, preachier, statement.

That was in response to your trollish remark that staying in school proved McDermott sucks.

Mike

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« Reply #148 on: March 19, 2014, 07:12:02 PM »

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It's not trollish to say that the best prospects don't play four years of NCAA ball. It's a fact.
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« Reply #149 on: March 19, 2014, 07:47:55 PM »

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It's not trollish to say that the best prospects don't play four years of NCAA ball. It's a fact.

I guess Tim Duncan wasn't considered a good prospect