If Mcdermott is available by our 2nd 1st pick

[Evantime34]

I think if he is there you have to pick him. He can shoot and score well in the NBA but I'm not sure he will be able to play any defense at all.

[D.o.s.]

I think if he is there you have to pick him. He can shoot and score well in the NBA but I'm not sure he will be able to play any defense at all.

I feel like he's a great candidate to buy a second round pick for.

17 is too high for a one-trick pony.

[Mr October]

I think if he is there you have to pick him. He can shoot and score well in the NBA but I'm not sure he will be able to play any defense at all.

I feel like he's a great candidate to buy a second round pick for.

17 is too high for a one-trick pony.

I might call him a 3 trick pony. Certainly he gets a big gold star for being a great shooter.

But he can also post and rebound, at least well enough for a small forward.

I would consider him around 17/18. It depends on who else is sliding though. There are a lot of interesting players in that 11-20 range.

[Who]

17 is too high for a one-trick pony.

These are my type of (general) expectations depending on draft range:

Top five = All-Star talent
Top ten = high risk reward players to above average starter
Top 15 = Solid starter to high level bench player (6th man potential)
15-40 = rotation quality players to high risk (out of league in 3-5 years risk) reward projects
40-60 = anyone who can make it as a 3rd stringer to raw athletic projects

If there is a project type player a GM is high on, I say take the risk at 17. Otherwise, I am fine with a GM taking someone they believe to be a quality rotation player at that point.

[Fafnir]

Let me guess Paul pierce was such a great defender.

Pierce was a much better defender than you're giving him credit for with statements like that.

He went toe-to-toe with LeBron in the early 00's, after all, and often came out even if not on top.

And is currently guarding PFs at age 36 in the NBA. And its working, which is still boggling my mind.

[Mr October]

17 is too high for a one-trick pony.

These are my type of (general) expectations depending on draft range:

Top five = All-Star talent
Top ten = high risk reward players to above average starter
Top 15 = Solid starter to high level bench player (6th man potential)
15-40 = rotation quality players to high risk (out of league in 3-5 years risk) reward projects
40-60 = anyone who can make it as a 3rd stringer to raw athletic projects

If there is a project type player a GM is high on, I say take the risk at 17. Otherwise, I am fine with a GM taking someone they believe to be a quality rotation player at that point.

You would be surprised at how bad the draft has been in the 11-15 pick range over the past decade or so. Most players there are just rotation role players, followed by busts, followed by just a few legit starters.

The starters are:
2013 - Michael Carter-Williams, (maybe Giannis gets there, but i have doubts)
2012 -
2011 - Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard
2010 - Larry Sanders?
2009 -
2008 - Robin Lopez
2007 - Thadeus Young, Rodney Stuckey
2006 - Thabo Shefolosha
2005 -
2004 - Al Jefferson, (Biedrins flamed out)
2003 -
2002 -
2001 - Vladimir Radmanovic, Richard Jefferson
2000 -

i count 11 starters out of of 70 picks so far. This really puts the Olynyk pick in perspective. Not much comes out of the 11-15 range. Interestingly teams do a lot better in the 16-20 range. Perhaps there are too many home run swings at raw players in the late lottery.

[Mr October]

Let me guess Paul pierce was such a great defender.

Pierce was a much better defender than you're giving him credit for with statements like that.

He went toe-to-toe with LeBron in the early 00's, after all, and often came out even if not on top.

And is currently guarding PFs at age 36 in the NBA. And its working, which is still boggling my mind.

pierce was always an excellent all around player. O'Brien let him chuck too much, then Doc helped him return to his all around roots.

pierce's defense has always been underrated. He guarded Lebron, Kobe, TMac, etc about as well as any other star swing man.

[Tr1boy]

If we can get a korver or better version with a 17th pick , you have to be happy about that.

Some fans here are unrealistic expecting a 17th picked player to be well rounded like a top 5 player

[D.o.s.]

To provide a sense of scale as far as "unrealistic" is concerned, Kyle Korver was drafted with the 51st pick.

[The One]

I don't think he will be available at 17.

If you like him, take with your first 1st round pick.

[PickNRoll]

If we can get a korver or better version with a 17th pick , you have to be happy about that.

Some fans here are unrealistic expecting a 17th picked player to be well rounded like a top 5 player

I wonder what the advanced metrics say about these "three and NO D" type of players.  Korver's never won anything and he's always felt like a novelty 3pt shooter to me.  Wouldn't you always be better off with a James Jones or Rasaul Butler type that can also play D? 

[Mr October]

If we can get a korver or better version with a 17th pick , you have to be happy about that.

Some fans here are unrealistic expecting a 17th picked player to be well rounded like a top 5 player

I am not sure the Korver comparison is the best match. Korver is a starting shooting guard right now, and can play a little small forward.

McDermott looks bigger and slower. i can't imagine him playing SG effectively. He will probably play most of his time at SF, and occasionally as a small ball PF.

I would compare him to Wally Szczerbiak before Korver. He might end up being another Linas Kleiza or better shooting version of Scalabrine. Or perhaps he could become a Dennis Scott or Mike Miller.

Anyway, i agree that a killer 3 point wing at the 17th pick is very good value.

[D.o.s.]

Not that Wikipedia is flawless, but Korver's listed at 6'7, 212 while DougMcD is 6'8, 232.

[PhoSita]

I'd be fine with using a 1st on McDermott if I felt confident he could play SF at this level, but I tend to think that he's gonna be more of a shorter Ryan Anderson type player at the next level.  We're already flush with power forwards.

[The One]

35 points last night.

"The nation's leading scorer delivered Thursday night with a dazzling shooting display in his Big East tournament debut, scoring a record 27 of his 35 points in the first half for No. 14 Creighton during an 84-62 victory over DePaul at Madison Square Garden."

http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400546034