Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record

[TitleMaster]

Ok, aside from Pierce & Tinsley going off in the '05 playoff series, game 6, I don't think he'd lost his professional demeanor in any other key series, even though was obvious that Tinsley had hit him and then, tried a flop, to frame him as the instigator.

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

[Onslaught]

Ok, aside from Pierce & Tinsley going off in the '05 playoff series, game 6, I don't think he'd lost his professional demeanor in any other key series, even though was obvious that Tinsley had hit him and then, tried a flop, to frame him as the instigator.

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

He did lose it a little vs the Hawks in 08 and some say threw up a gang sign.

[D.o.s.]

Ok, aside from Pierce & Tinsley going off in the '05 playoff series, game 6, I don't think he'd lost his professional demeanor in any other key series, even though was obvious that Tinsley had hit him and then, tried a flop, to frame him as the instigator.

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

Paul Pierce, unlike Vince Carter & Melo, did go on the record at a press conference and throw his entire team, management, and coaching staff under the bus by saying "I'm the classic case of a good player on a bad team and it stinks."

Sure, it wasn't on the court, but that must constitute some kind of breach of your likely ill-defined idea of "professional demeanor."

[GreenWarrior]

Ok, aside from Pierce & Tinsley going off in the '05 playoff series, game 6, I don't think he'd lost his professional demeanor in any other key series, even though was obvious that Tinsley had hit him and then, tried a flop, to frame him as the instigator.

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

He did lose it a little vs the Hawks in 08 and some say threw up a gang sign.

 ...sigh.

it wasn't a gang sign. it was a gesture towards his bench for making a 3.

a gesture; that every player in the league since then has gone on to copy. if pierce is guilty of anything it's being a trend setter.

and that crap with indy in '05 pierce was frustrated sure. this is a guy who in his career whenever he went to the basket got fouled 3 - 4 times before they blew a whistle. and tinsley and artest took advantage of that. so pierce blew his cool.

you know why you won't see Carmelo do this? he has no heart. 

[GreenWarrior]

Ok, aside from Pierce & Tinsley going off in the '05 playoff series, game 6, I don't think he'd lost his professional demeanor in any other key series, even though was obvious that Tinsley had hit him and then, tried a flop, to frame him as the instigator.

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

Paul Pierce, unlike Vince Carter & Melo, did go on the record at a press conference and throw his entire team, management, and coaching staff under the bus by saying "I'm the classic case of a good player on a bad team and it stinks."

Sure, it wasn't on the court, but that must constitute some kind of breach of your likely ill-defined idea of "professional demeanor."

got a link? I don't seem to recall this.

[D.o.s.]

Ok, aside from Pierce & Tinsley going off in the '05 playoff series, game 6, I don't think he'd lost his professional demeanor in any other key series, even though was obvious that Tinsley had hit him and then, tried a flop, to frame him as the instigator.

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

Paul Pierce, unlike Vince Carter & Melo, did go on the record at a press conference and throw his entire team, management, and coaching staff under the bus by saying "I'm the classic case of a good player on a bad team and it stinks."

Sure, it wasn't on the court, but that must constitute some kind of breach of your likely ill-defined idea of "professional demeanor."

got a link? I don't seem to recall this.

Thought not. 

And I have a link. A Jackie Mac link, no less.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2007/03/30/for_pierce_scars_linger_in_painful_celtics_season/?page=full

"It's definitely another year gone by for me," Pierce said. "It's another year we don't get into the postseason. It's another year I don't get recognized for the things I do. I'm the classic case of a great player on a bad team, and it stinks."

Pierce has been a model captain this season. He genuinely enjoyed participating in the development of his younger teammates and has toiled through injuries and frustrations without complaint. He plays hard, he plays hurt, and he has maintained his poise throughout.

But he is tired of waiting for the resurgence of the Celtics. Pierce signed a contract extension last July that locks him up until he's 33. Asked if he regretted signing the deal, which paid him the maximum allowed under the collective bargaining agreement, he merely smiled.

"I'm waiting to see what happens this summer," he said. "We have to see who we keep and who has enough potential trade value to make a difference.

"I'm not talking about winning a few more games. I'm talking about getting into the playoffs, going deep into the playoffs. I don't want to be a team that just sneaks in. I want to be on a team that everyone says before the season, 'This is a team that's going somewhere,' like Detroit.

And (from the same article):

Pierce concedes he is bothered by his diminished standing in the game because of his affiliation with the Celtics. He is not featured in NBA promos. Even though he was injured during All-Star balloting, his name was rarely mentioned as a worthy choice had he been healthy. Boston was one of just six teams that did not appear on national broadcasts this season. Major endorsement opportunities outside of New England have slowed to a trickle. "The Truth" has become an afterthought.

"I want to be recognized for what I've accomplished," Pierce said. "That may sound selfish, but I've sacrificed a lot. I want to win. That's all I want. Most great players are selfish.

"We're not on a winning team, and as long as that's true, I don't get recognized as one of the top players in the league. We're never on TV. I wasn't part of the All-Star Game [this season]. We just don't get the benefit of so many other things that winning teams get."

For what it's worth re: the alleged Bloods gesture, the league fined him 25 grand for it, and he didn't try to fight the ruling at all.

However, Paul Pierce really has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[D.o.s.]

To recap:


-I am a great player.

-Because our team sucks, I'm not in the all star game.

-Because our team sucks, we're not on television.

-Because I'm not on the all star game and we're not on television, no one wants to buy my shoes, my jerseys, or anything with my face on it... despite the fact that I am a great player.

-Because I am a great player, I want to be in the all star game.

-Because I am a great player, people should watch me on national television.

-Because I am a great player, people should want to buy things associated with me.


And this was at the end of the 2007 season. When we were awful. When we had been awful. When Pierce had been stuck, like Vince, like 'Melo, like T-Mac, like whatever disgruntled wing you want to name.

I don't disagree with anything he said, by the way. I just know that if "the snitchster" or "Vince 'no heart' Carter" had said it, y'all would've reveled in the fact that this guy was an egotistical quitter who clearly couldn't lead his team to a title.

[GreenWarrior]

To recap:


-I am a great player.

-Because our team sucks, I'm not in the all star game.

-Because our team sucks, we're not on television.

-Because I'm not on the all star game and we're not on television, no one wants to buy my shoes, my jerseys, or anything with my face on it... despite the fact that I am a great player.

-Because I am a great player, I want to be in the all star game.

-Because I am a great player, people should watch me on national television.

-Because I am a great player, people should want to buy things associated with me.


And this was at the end of the 2007 season. When we were awful. When we had been awful. When Pierce had been stuck, like Vince, like 'Melo, like T-Mac, like whatever disgruntled wing you want to name.

I don't disagree with anything he said, by the way. I just know that if "the snitchster" or "Vince 'no heart' Carter" had said it, y'all would've reveled in the fact that this guy was an egotistical quitter who clearly couldn't lead his team to a title.

yeah he didn't say anything that wasn't true either. if vince or melo said this on their original teams I might actually have a little more respect for 'em because I've always felt those guys were more about style over substance...but probably would have called them out for doing so too.

also without this rant by pierce we wouldn't have had the championship in '08. maybe vince and melo should try this approach.

[D.o.s.]

I think Vince's window has pretty much closed on being a franchise centerpiece, it is 2014, not 2004, right?.

Hindsight is 20/20 and all, but think about what NY could've done if they'd amnestied A'mare instead of Chauncey Billups.

[Endless Paradise]

Melo's won in the Olympics and the NCAA, yet people still have this ridiculous idea that he can't win because he doesn't know how to be a team player.

[GreenWarrior]

I think Vince's window has pretty much closed on being a franchise centerpiece, it is 2014, not 2004, right?.

I typed quickly and meant to put "should have" in there.

[TitleMaster]

Melo's won in the Olympics and the NCAA, yet people still have this ridiculous idea that he can't win because he doesn't know how to be a team player.

I think there's a bracket for the star player, who does well in College or the Olympics [ since B-ball is the American sport internationally, much like Soccer is to Brazil ] ... this is the Chris Webber, Pete Maravich, & Patrick Ewing zone. Yes, the aforementioned have done great individual stats but tended to fade away during the big games.

[PhoSita]

Paul Pierce, unlike Carter & Melo, always gave it his best, during most of his playoff series, even the ones which had ended in the 1st round. Thus, if Pierce didn't win a title, then he should be more in the category of a Bernard King, than a Carter or a Melo.

Meh, this is fan-narrative stuff.  You see what you want to see when it comes to stuff like this.

[Fafnir]

King gets a pass for his issues "winning" due to his severe knee injury. Oh also New York media likes to pretend the Knicks franchise is "special" so they pump him up.

Melo/Carter/Pierce don't have that narrative twist.

[TitleMaster]

King gets a pass for his issues "winning" due to his severe knee injury. Oh also New York media likes to pretend the Knicks franchise is "special" so they pump him up.

Melo/Carter/Pierce don't have that narrative twist.

Ok, but as a Boston fan (and no, I'm one of those, who dreams of being a media star in the Big Apple), it's hard not to be impressed by a guy, who took the '84 Bird championship team, a full 7 games with only Bill Cartwright by his side. I don't see the Melos and the Carters of the world pulling that off.