Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record

[bleedGREENdon]

The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win

So does Durant chuck the ball?
What about Pierce? See my post about their shooting stats.
How is the Knicks team he's on now a good team?
They have one All Star named Melo and a declining Tyson Chandlers, with Amare's 23 million dollar contract killing their salary cap.
Compare Melo's stats to Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce.
Go and look at Paul George's stats from this season compared to Melo's.
Then tell me which other players on Melo's Knicks team command a double team like Lebron, Wade, Pierce, have had?

It's a 100% myth and the guy is a killer scorer. Shoots better from 3 than KD, George and Lebron and doesn't get to the line as much. Another star player commanding attention from defenses would open it up for him significantly..ie Rondo driving to the hole or Ray Allen waiting for a three, or KG waiting for a jumpshot on the pick and pop.

You need to re analyse why you think the way you do, because the numbers don't agree with you.

Please explain this.

Durant is clutch beyond stats. He can pretty much do what he wants. Still for the most part plays a humble game is a good team player

With regards to Melo you can analyze stats left and right until the paper burns, but in the end Melo is not a winner in the nba(no conf finals). He is paid in the top 1 percent and where has he taken his team??

Chandler is on a decline? The guy is still one of the top 5 centers in the league.  JR Smith was last years 6th man of the year.  Shumpert is an above avg SG etc.  Forget about amare

You replace Melo with George, Lebron , Durant and the knicks would be one of the better teams in the east.

Melo stats are ok. He is known as a scorer after all. But the little things he doesn't do on a consistent basis. He looks like he hardly breaks a sweat on the court and it also shows regards to his body shape.

Rondo and Melo would be ok, but we won't challenge any of the top teams. We need to have a legit chance another way and not by acquiring melo. I bet he won't take a discount either

Lol he made the conference finals as the leading scorer of the Nuggets in 2009. They lost to the Lakers 4-2 and the Lakers won the title that season when KG was injured.
With Rondo, Melo and another All Star level guy we'd be a championship threat.

Lebron is undoubtedly the best player in The world.

Put him on the Knicks and people would e saying he's a choke artist again LOL

The Knicks are terrible. I swear all tees guys on celtics blg talk without actually watching the games. I WATCH THE KNICKS PLAY. Melo does exactly what he should and when the Knicks win it's because Melo just takes over.

When he doesn't, smith runs down and shoots a three with triple coverage.
Progioni is a 35 year old rookie dleaguer basically.
Felton is terrible and actually selfish if you watch him play, what PG that doesn't score over 12 ppg averages less then 3 assist a game should be starting and get paid like he does. I legit rather pressey.

Shumpert is a mini Avery Bradley. Not gonna win much games for you unless has a great cast around you.

Tyson chandler is the only defender on the team.

Aside from that the team is garbage. The celtics blew them out on their own home court.
That says enough.

Knicks suck.

And it's every but Melo.
Stop hating on Melo. Kid can straight ball.

[Onslaught]

You either like him or you don't.

I find him a "black hole" and always has been. I find him lazy on the defensive end too. And he was a sub par rebounded for his size fro most of his carrier until just of late. I also just really don't "like" him all that much from anything I've ever seen about him.
I don't think he can be the main man on a championship team and he's already almost 30 years old. We've done the old guys thing and I for one would like to find some young people for once.

He's also a Knick and that's almost as bad as being a Laker. Contaminating the Garden with his stink.

[Tr1boy]

The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win

So does Durant chuck the ball?
What about Pierce? See my post about their shooting stats.
How is the Knicks team he's on now a good team?
They have one All Star named Melo and a declining Tyson Chandlers, with Amare's 23 million dollar contract killing their salary cap.
Compare Melo's stats to Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce.
Go and look at Paul George's stats from this season compared to Melo's.
Then tell me which other players on Melo's Knicks team command a double team like Lebron, Wade, Pierce, have had?

It's a 100% myth and the guy is a killer scorer. Shoots better from 3 than KD, George and Lebron and doesn't get to the line as much. Another star player commanding attention from defenses would open it up for him significantly..ie Rondo driving to the hole or Ray Allen waiting for a three, or KG waiting for a jumpshot on the pick and pop.

You need to re analyse why you think the way you do, because the numbers don't agree with you.

Please explain this.

Durant is clutch beyond stats. He can pretty much do what he wants. Still for the most part plays a humble game is a good team player

With regards to Melo you can analyze stats left and right until the paper burns, but in the end Melo is not a winner in the nba(no conf finals). He is paid in the top 1 percent and where has he taken his team??

Chandler is on a decline? The guy is still one of the top 5 centers in the league.  JR Smith was last years 6th man of the year.  Shumpert is an above avg SG etc.  Forget about amare

You replace Melo with George, Lebron , Durant and the knicks would be one of the better teams in the east.

Melo stats are ok. He is known as a scorer after all. But the little things he doesn't do on a consistent basis. He looks like he hardly breaks a sweat on the court and it also shows regards to his body shape.

Rondo and Melo would be ok, but we won't challenge any of the top teams. We need to have a legit chance another way and not by acquiring melo. I bet he won't take a discount either

Lol he made the conference finals as the leading scorer of the Nuggets in 2009. They lost to the Lakers 4-2 and the Lakers won the title that season when KG was injured.
With Rondo, Melo and another All Star level guy we'd be a championship threat.

your right about 2009.

Like i asked another person, are you willing to give up our 2014 first and sullinger as the main pieces of the deal?

If he asks for 20 million a year for 5 years for his next contract, are you willing to give to him?

[chambers]

The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win

So does Durant chuck the ball?
What about Pierce? See my post about their shooting stats.
How is the Knicks team he's on now a good team?
They have one All Star named Melo and a declining Tyson Chandlers, with Amare's 23 million dollar contract killing their salary cap.
Compare Melo's stats to Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce.
Go and look at Paul George's stats from this season compared to Melo's.
Then tell me which other players on Melo's Knicks team command a double team like Lebron, Wade, Pierce, have had?

It's a 100% myth and the guy is a killer scorer. Shoots better from 3 than KD, George and Lebron and doesn't get to the line as much. Another star player commanding attention from defenses would open it up for him significantly..ie Rondo driving to the hole or Ray Allen waiting for a three, or KG waiting for a jumpshot on the pick and pop.

You need to re analyse why you think the way you do, because the numbers don't agree with you.

Please explain this.

Durant is clutch beyond stats. He can pretty much do what he wants. Still for the most part plays a humble game is a good team player

With regards to Melo you can analyze stats left and right until the paper burns, but in the end Melo is not a winner in the nba(no conf finals). He is paid in the top 1 percent and where has he taken his team??

Chandler is on a decline? The guy is still one of the top 5 centers in the league.  JR Smith was last years 6th man of the year.  Shumpert is an above avg SG etc.  Forget about amare

You replace Melo with George, Lebron , Durant and the knicks would be one of the better teams in the east.

Melo stats are ok. He is known as a scorer after all. But the little things he doesn't do on a consistent basis. He looks like he hardly breaks a sweat on the court and it also shows regards to his body shape.

Rondo and Melo would be ok, but we won't challenge any of the top teams. We need to have a legit chance another way and not by acquiring melo. I bet he won't take a discount either

Lol he made the conference finals as the leading scorer of the Nuggets in 2009. They lost to the Lakers 4-2 and the Lakers won the title that season when KG was injured.
With Rondo, Melo and another All Star level guy we'd be a championship threat.

your right about 2009.

Like i asked another person, are you willing to give up our 2014 first and sullinger as the main pieces of the deal?

If he asks for 20 million a year for 5 years for his next contract, are you willing to give to him?

I'd give him 20 million for 5 years and I'd give up our pick. We wouldn't have to give up Sullinger to get him, we'd have to give up another pick.

I actually used to HATE Carmelo for a long time- particularly when he first went to New York and how he forced his way out of Denver when they had a good young squad.

But the guy hasn't had any championship caliber support other than Tyson Chandler who is a great defensive center that runs the pick and roll very well. The problem is that they have 23 million dollars in cap space taken up by Amare's contract and that is the Knicks black hole from hell.
JR Smith has been terrible this year. He was terrible in last years playoffs too. Raymond Felton is okay but is he a starter on most other NBA teams? I doubt it.
I mean they've got Melo, Chandler, Shumpert, JR Smith and...?
Just pure hot garbage.
Imagine if they had that 23 million of Amare's to spend getting legitimate players and could go after free agents. Unfortunately his terrible management have no picks for 2 years and no one left to trade away to get another star back.
They are doomed. Imagine if Pierce was on that Knicks team now when he was 30..would they get past the 2nd round ever? No way.
Even Lebron would struggle because there's just no one else to take the scoring load or command any attention from the defense.

Put Melo in a line up of
Rondo
Lance Stephenson
Melo
Sully
Asik

or Rondo, Melo and Chris Bosh +Sully and a rookie SG and watch how [dang] good they'd be.
He really hasn't had a chance in New York, and in Denver he took them to the conference finals in a tough season, then the Nuggets had the best record in the regular season in 2010.
I want you to go to basketballreference.com and compare his stats to the other top small forwards. Also compare his stats to Pierce's before KG and Ray came along.

[bleedGREENdon]

I honestly don't think we'd need to give the kitchen sink for Melo either.

I say the most we'd have to give up to  get him and it isn't even crazy would be green, Avery, faveroni, humphries, Philly pick, clippers pick, Brooklyn pick.

When I say kitchen sink I say one of our main pieces = Rondo Sully our top 5 pick.

Or if we really wanted em for cheap

Do this years first green humphries bogans and a future first.
And take on a bad contract.

We'd still have 3 1sts next year. Rondo Melo Sully and maybe room for another free agent this offseason. Or we'd make one more move  the offseason

[Tr1boy]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10361206/la-la-anthony-says-carmelo-anthony-definitely-re-sign-new-york-knicks

This almost shuts down any trade possibilities .  A sigh of relief imo

[D.o.s.]

I don't think anyone really expected him to leave?

However, at the bottom of the story:

Anthony, who is in his 11th season, said Monday that his sole motivation is to win an NBA title.

"That's the only thing I care about. Anything else is irrelevant to me when it comes to basketball," he said. "Championship is the only thing that's on my mind, is the only thing I want to accomplish, I want to achieve, and I'm going to do what I got to do to get that. That's my motivating factor. Nothing else even motivates me anymore, just that."

So, uh, maybe he's more open to moving than you think?

[Tr1boy]

I don't think anyone really expected him to leave?

some did. Somebody put out a rumor that Melo was tired of losing and wanted. And i could see this happening, especially the way things were going earlier in the year. But with Chandler back, Smith actually playing ball, teams is looking pretty good.

But you never know, Melo might toss his hat after a 1st round loss, screw the knicks and even come to us. If he comes to us as a FA, i won't be too upset. Plus we get a high draft pick to accelerate our future to the top

[D.o.s.]

Check out my edit.

[Tr1boy]

Check out my edit.

Well who knows. Even if his wife thinks he wont. And i'm sure she knows alot. But like i said, the knicks do decent the rest of the way only to get eliminated after the 1st or 2nd round, he is going to smash some windows.

You keep losing like this, you have no confidence what will happen in the future. The guy already has a crap load of money but wants to leave a legacy.

If he likes the direction the celts will go, especially with a high pick , like Embiid or Smart , he might be tempted to come. He already has stated he wants to play with Rondo

[Tr1boy]

If the Celts draft Wiggins or Parker, he is not coming for sure however

[lightspeed5]

If the Celts draft Wiggins or Parker, he is not coming for sure however

he's from NY, why would he leave ny for the celtics

[Tr1boy]

If the Celts draft Wiggins or Parker, he is not coming for sure however

he's from NY, why would he leave ny for the celtics

the pt is he wants to win. Don't think he cares if he goes to the nets.

He has openly stated he would love to have Rondo on the team or play with him also

[Lucky17]

I'll be very curious to see exactly how badly he wants to win when he signs on the bottom line on his new contract.

If he resigns with New York for $20+ million a year, my opinion of him won't change a lick.

[Galeto]

Carmelo's fun to watch for me because he plays with utmost confidence and has a variety of moves.  Until he impacts the game more on defense and does a better job of involving his teammates more consistently, I don't think he's a championship caliber wing.  You look at the wings of teams who've won championships and they've all been capable of scoring, averaging over 4 assists and making a variety of defensive plays.  Carmelo's game is still incomplete and he's going on 30. 

I think he's the Dominique Wilkins of his generation.  He's a hall of fame talent who will likely and deservingly get into the hall of fame but he's not a complete enough player to be truly great.