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Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2014, 02:43:27 PM »

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The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2014, 03:07:58 PM »

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Too many haters around here.  It would mean something if reason for the hate has merit and make sense.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 03:19:42 PM by Clench123 »

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Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2014, 03:35:38 PM »

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The only thing that really matters to me about Carmelo scoring 62 at MSG is that he broke Kobe's record of 60. For that, I thank him!

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2014, 03:42:00 PM »

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Law of averages suggests he'll bomb today. I'm watching that Knicks game.

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2014, 04:35:18 PM »

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I  have LOVE for Carmelo .......tons of it ......so much in fact I'd like him better as a Laker


With all my Love I wish him never be a Celtic   ........only be a Laker or Knick

Now that's TRUE LOVE..... ;D


Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2014, 05:52:43 PM »

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The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hypocritical if they are also a big fan of paul pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Exactly. Now while Melo isn't as good as Durant as a scorer, he doesn't have Westbrook or Ibaka to dish to and help the scoring load. OKC is just a faaaar superior team.
Melo's never had a second fiddle other than Iverson and Billups/Nene and they went to the Western Conference finals when he had them. He had Amare for 4 months before his knee/career ended.

Melo's averaging 27 and 9 and Durant's averaging 31 and 8.
Big difference is Durant gets to the line over 10 times a game and thus his FG% is 50% to Melo's 44%. Melo takes 1 and a half more shots per game than Durant but gets to the line less at 7 times per game.

Pierce is a good comparison before KG, Ray and Rondo came along. Check out the similarities...
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/piercpa01.html#2006-2007-sum:per_game

Carmelo this and last season:(note this season he's taking less FG attempts and is actually shooting 42% from 3 pt land.
He needs to get to the line more, but that will only happen once he has some decent offensive help so teams can't double team him so easily...
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html#2013-2014-sum:per_game

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Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2014, 05:58:56 PM »

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The only thing that really matters to me about Carmelo scoring 62 at MSG is that he broke Kobe's record of 60. For that, I thank him!

Kobe had 81 points, only second to Wilt

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 be a step down. I am pure 100 percent Celtic. I think if you slashed my wrists, my
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2014, 06:07:29 PM »

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The only thing that really matters to me about Carmelo scoring 62 at MSG is that he broke Kobe's record of 60. For that, I thank him!

Kobe had 81 points, only second to Wilt

Not at MSG

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2014, 06:10:31 PM »

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The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win


Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2014, 06:22:33 PM »

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pierce didn't have a pretty decent team around him and beg to go to NY. the knicks, who will likely never be in a position to put all of these glorious players around him that everyone seems to think he needs.

the pierce and melo comparisons are horrible examples. pierce was a leader, melo is a scorer. pierce even read books on how to be a leader(they just said so on tv).

pierce dominated competition early in his career when the eastern conference was pretty weak. the eastern conference is weak right now, what's melo's excuse?

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2014, 06:28:51 PM »

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2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.


uggh! this right here. i'm so sick of hearing the ecuses for melo. those Denver teams were pretty [dang] good.

the guys doing the lakers/knicks game today tried making these same excuses "Carmelo has never played with anyone".

when the truth is he has but he wanted out of Denver because the competition was too much for him. it's not that he had no players around him. he did. and just wanted to go play in NY cuz its NY. how's that for a leader?

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2014, 07:36:24 PM »

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The only thing that really matters to me about Carmelo scoring 62 at MSG is that he broke Kobe's record of 60. For that, I thank him!

Kobe had 81 points, only second to Wilt

Not at MSG

Oh, didn't know that's what he meant
« Last Edit: January 26, 2014, 07:52:04 PM by Clench123 »

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Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2014, 08:57:12 PM »

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The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win

So does Durant chuck the ball?
What about Pierce? See my post about their shooting stats.
How is the Knicks team he's on now a good team?
They have one All Star named Melo and a declining Tyson Chandlers, with Amare's 23 million dollar contract killing their salary cap.
Compare Melo's stats to Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce.
Go and look at Paul George's stats from this season compared to Melo's.
Then tell me which other players on Melo's Knicks team command a double team like Lebron, Wade, Pierce, have had?

It's a 100% myth and the guy is a killer scorer. Shoots better from 3 than KD, George and Lebron and doesn't get to the line as much. Another star player commanding attention from defenses would open it up for him significantly..ie Rondo driving to the hole or Ray Allen waiting for a three, or KG waiting for a jumpshot on the pick and pop.

You need to re analyse why you think the way you do, because the numbers don't agree with you.

Please explain this.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2014, 09:12:08 PM »

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The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win

So does Durant chuck the ball?
What about Pierce? See my post about their shooting stats.
How is the Knicks team he's on now a good team?
They have one All Star named Melo and a declining Tyson Chandlers, with Amare's 23 million dollar contract killing their salary cap.
Compare Melo's stats to Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce.
Go and look at Paul George's stats from this season compared to Melo's.
Then tell me which other players on Melo's Knicks team command a double team like Lebron, Wade, Pierce, have had?

It's a 100% myth and the guy is a killer scorer. Shoots better from 3 than KD, George and Lebron and doesn't get to the line as much. Another star player commanding attention from defenses would open it up for him significantly..ie Rondo driving to the hole or Ray Allen waiting for a three, or KG waiting for a jumpshot on the pick and pop.

You need to re analyse why you think the way you do, because the numbers don't agree with you.

Please explain this.

Durant is clutch beyond stats. He can pretty much do what he wants. Still for the most part plays a humble game is a good team player

With regards to Melo you can analyze stats left and right until the paper burns, but in the end Melo is not a winner in the nba(no conf finals). He is paid in the top 1 percent and where has he taken his team??

Chandler is on a decline? The guy is still one of the top 5 centers in the league.  JR Smith was last years 6th man of the year.  Shumpert is an above avg SG etc.  Forget about amare

You replace Melo with George, Lebron , Durant and the knicks would be one of the better teams in the east.

Melo stats are ok. He is known as a scorer after all. But the little things he doesn't do on a consistent basis. He looks like he hardly breaks a sweat on the court and it also shows regards to his body shape.

Rondo and Melo would be ok, but we won't challenge any of the top teams. We need to have a legit chance another way and not by acquiring melo. I bet he won't take a discount either
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Scores 62 points. Making MSG Record
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2014, 10:28:15 PM »

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The sad thing is everyone on celtics blog just assumes Melo demands the ball everytime down court and just chucks it.

This is what annoys me, the coach basically calls a play everytime down court for Melo, and I've seen him make beautiful passes out of the double team multiple times. If you have Melo one on one I say the offense is winning and Melo should take that shot every time.

The Same people who are complaining that green is not selfish enough , don't want Melo which makes no sense.

And anyone who thinks Melo can't win with pieces around him also don't watch basketball and are also very hyprocritical if they are also a big fan of pail pierce.

If Danny can get a good trade for Melo he should.

Disagree many of your points.

1) he chucks the ball. Lots of ill advised shots actually. When he passes he is a dangerous player but he has to always try to get his own game no matter what, instead of playing with what the defense gives you. Inconsistent and egotistical imo

2) melo has been on very nice built teams. The one now is pretty stacked. Its not all on him but when is he going to lead his team and get far? Its like the ovechkin curse.

3) melo is like green in that he doesnt try harder. He doesnt run around screens, no diving for balls, not setting proper picks, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Watch guys like leonard, george, even batum. They do the little things that help thei teams win

So does Durant chuck the ball?
What about Pierce? See my post about their shooting stats.
How is the Knicks team he's on now a good team?
They have one All Star named Melo and a declining Tyson Chandlers, with Amare's 23 million dollar contract killing their salary cap.
Compare Melo's stats to Durant, Paul George, Paul Pierce.
Go and look at Paul George's stats from this season compared to Melo's.
Then tell me which other players on Melo's Knicks team command a double team like Lebron, Wade, Pierce, have had?

It's a 100% myth and the guy is a killer scorer. Shoots better from 3 than KD, George and Lebron and doesn't get to the line as much. Another star player commanding attention from defenses would open it up for him significantly..ie Rondo driving to the hole or Ray Allen waiting for a three, or KG waiting for a jumpshot on the pick and pop.

You need to re analyse why you think the way you do, because the numbers don't agree with you.

Please explain this.

Durant is clutch beyond stats. He can pretty much do what he wants. Still for the most part plays a humble game is a good team player

With regards to Melo you can analyze stats left and right until the paper burns, but in the end Melo is not a winner in the nba(no conf finals). He is paid in the top 1 percent and where has he taken his team??

Chandler is on a decline? The guy is still one of the top 5 centers in the league.  JR Smith was last years 6th man of the year.  Shumpert is an above avg SG etc.  Forget about amare

You replace Melo with George, Lebron , Durant and the knicks would be one of the better teams in the east.

Melo stats are ok. He is known as a scorer after all. But the little things he doesn't do on a consistent basis. He looks like he hardly breaks a sweat on the court and it also shows regards to his body shape.

Rondo and Melo would be ok, but we won't challenge any of the top teams. We need to have a legit chance another way and not by acquiring melo. I bet he won't take a discount either

Lol he made the conference finals as the leading scorer of the Nuggets in 2009. They lost to the Lakers 4-2 and the Lakers won the title that season when KG was injured.
With Rondo, Melo and another All Star level guy we'd be a championship threat.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.