Asik trade rumors (deal reportedly off)

[AB_Celtic]

Is it unreasonable to assume the following averages when Rondo gets back?

Rondo: 14
Bradley: 14
Green: 16
Sully: 16
Asik: 10

Crawford: 10
Olynyk: 8
Pressey/Fav/Hump/Wallace combine for around 10

Those are pretty reasonable numbers and that's 98 points. Not a ton but enough to win games, especially with an elite defense.

[D.o.s.]

I don't particularly want Asik on the Celtics from a perspective of having a fan's commitment to watching the games.

Playing faux GM, though, I think that if DA can do the deal without including our 2014 1st--my gut feeling is that we're going to be more allergic to scoring than the worst offensive droughts we saw with the modern Big three--he has to do it.

It will be ugly.

We will score maybe 25 points a game, on a good night.

We should have a pretty good draft pick, right?

  I don't know that the scoring will be terrible, especially with Rondo back. Asik's not a great offensive player but he scores efficiently and he gets more offensive rebounds than Bass.

Fine, I'll go up to 65 points a game, but that's my final offer.

And I'm not really focused on Rondo's return--2nd week of January is my bet--I'm more focused on the without-Rondo times if the trade does go down today or tomorrow.

  We probably average 95 a game or so. If you think Bass and Lee in the lineup make a 30 ppg difference to a team we shouldn't be trading for Asik, we should trade them for a player like LMA or Harden.

I'd do that in a heartbeat.


The main thrust being that I think the offense is going to be brutally awful to watch between the trade (if it happens) and Rondo's rounding into form.

  Just out of curiosity, before the season started did you have our offense pegged as "brutally awful" or "below average but still respectable"?

Somewhere between the two, closer to awful; I thought Crawford would do a solid job running the point, but that Bradley would be the starting PG for longer than the four games, and JCraw wouldn't be getting much playing time. I didn't figure that Pressey would get much run, that KO would be a bust, and that Sully would take longer to get back to his playing level last year than he did.

I did anticipate waiting until after the ASB for Rondo to see the offense really start to work, and why I've been saying they'd win 26 games all year.

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Is it unreasonable to assume the following averages when Rondo gets back?

Rondo: 14
Bradley: 14
Green: 16
Sully: 16
Asik: 10

Crawford: 10
Olynyk: 8
Pressey/Fav/Hump/Wallace combine for around 10

Those are pretty reasonable numbers and that's 98 points. Not a ton but enough to win games, especially with an elite defense.

I think that having Asik might hurt Sully's ppg.  Not as much space to move in the lane because whomever is guarding  Asik isn't going anywhere away from the rim.

[Tr1boy]

If 76rs do hawes and option to switch 1st , we will lose out on the deal. Same if hawks give in and give up milsap

Rockets have until tomorrow.

[AB_Celtic]

Is it unreasonable to assume the following averages when Rondo gets back?

Rondo: 14
Bradley: 14
Green: 16
Sully: 16
Asik: 10

Crawford: 10
Olynyk: 8
Pressey/Fav/Hump/Wallace combine for around 10

Those are pretty reasonable numbers and that's 98 points. Not a ton but enough to win games, especially with an elite defense.

I think that having Asik might hurt Sully's ppg.  Not as much space to move in the lane because whomever is guarding  Asik isn't going anywhere away from the rim.

Sully's been drawing the double a lot recently and it hasn't affected him. In fact he's had to deal with it his whole life, including at Ohio State.

[csfansince60s]

If 76rs do hawes and option to switch 1st , we will lose out on the deal. Same if hawks give in and give up milsap

Rockets have until tomorrow.

Having a hard time seeing either of those teams stepping up if they haven't already by now. Rox woulda jumped at those offers.

No jumping, they'll settle.

[kozlodoev]

Is it unreasonable to assume the following averages when Rondo gets back?

Rondo: 14
Bradley: 14
Green: 16
Sully: 16
Asik: 10

Crawford: 10
Olynyk: 8
Pressey/Fav/Hump/Wallace combine for around 10

Those are pretty reasonable numbers and that's 98 points. Not a ton but enough to win games, especially with an elite defense.

I expect more scoring from Rondo and Crawford, perhaps 16 and 12, respectively. Not expecting Pressey/Faverani/Olynyk/Humphries/Wallace to combine for more than 15/game.

[manl_lui]

Is it unreasonable to assume the following averages when Rondo gets back?

Rondo: 14
Bradley: 14
Green: 16
Sully: 16
Asik: 10

Crawford: 10
Olynyk: 8
Pressey/Fav/Hump/Wallace combine for around 10

Those are pretty reasonable numbers and that's 98 points. Not a ton but enough to win games, especially with an elite defense.

I think that having Asik might hurt Sully's ppg.  Not as much space to move in the lane because whomever is guarding  Asik isn't going anywhere away from the rim.

Sully's been drawing the double a lot recently and it hasn't affected him. In fact he's had to deal with it his whole life, including at Ohio State.

yea, rather I think it will help him then harm him. Shifting him to pf, gives him the ability to actually bully his opponents down low vs actual centers. And if he does get double teamed, I trust him to make the right judgement to either draw the foul or dish it back out or hit the open man

[BleedGreen1989]

The Houston Rockets can trade Omer Asik on Friday and still re-trade anyone acquired before Feb. 20, but they will continue to operate under their self-imposed Thursday deadline.

If the Rockets are unable to agree to terms on a trade, they will reset trade talks entirely.

The Rockets' strong preference is to trade Asik by the end of Thursday, but appear willing to blow up negotiations.

The Rockets and Boston Celtics have moved closest to a deal.

I call shenanigans...

[ssspence]

IMO, the Cs should pull the Lakers in.

BOS receives: Gasol (expiring), Greg Smith, Ryan Kelly
HOU recieves: Humphries, Bass, Clips 2015 1st
LAL receives: Asik, Lin, Courtney Lee

I'm just not that pumped about acquire Asik. I don't care about Gasol the player -- it's to clean out Bass and Lee.

[Tr1boy]

If 76rs do hawes and option to switch 1st , we will lose out on the deal. Same if hawks give in and give up milsap

Rockets have until tomorrow.

Having a hard time seeing either of those teams stepping up if they haven't already by now. Rox woulda jumped at those offers.

No jumping, they'll settle.

76rs continue to lose so i can see them trying to get asik. They have noel penned as the future pf and hawes is not really a c or pf. Prob better as a stretch 4

Swapping 1sts option might get it done vs hous asking for a 1st(i mean no way they do that)

As for atl giving up milsap, i cant see that happening.

One other crazy possibility i still see hapenning is a three way trade that might look like

To bos: asik, waiters
To cavs: green, dmo
To hous: verajao , celts protected 1st

Better deal for hous. Worksout ok for everyone

[AB_Celtic]

Is it unreasonable to assume the following averages when Rondo gets back?

Rondo: 14
Bradley: 14
Green: 16
Sully: 16
Asik: 10

Crawford: 10
Olynyk: 8
Pressey/Fav/Hump/Wallace combine for around 10

Those are pretty reasonable numbers and that's 98 points. Not a ton but enough to win games, especially with an elite defense.

I expect more scoring from Rondo and Crawford, perhaps 16 and 12, respectively. Not expecting Pressey/Faverani/Olynyk/Humphries/Wallace to combine for more than 15/game.

Well, right now they're combining for 24. Pressey's and Fav's minutes will probably go down  with Rondo and Asik on the squad, but Hump/Olynyk/Wallace will get easier looks with Rondo. I think around 20 between those 5 is reasonable.

[sofutomygaha]

The Houston Rockets can trade Omer Asik on Friday and still re-trade anyone acquired before Feb. 20, but they will continue to operate under their self-imposed Thursday deadline.

If the Rockets are unable to agree to terms on a trade, they will reset trade talks entirely.

The Rockets' strong preference is to trade Asik by the end of Thursday, but appear willing to blow up negotiations.

The Rockets and Boston Celtics have moved closest to a deal.

I call shenanigans...

A deadline is a deadline, man. After today, the Asik window is completely closed. Right now the 76ers, Celtics, and Hawks are horses, racing around a track somewhere in Houston, edging ever closer to today's finish line. The one who is in the lead at the end of the day will claim the prize!

Right?

[Boris Badenov]

The Houston Rockets can trade Omer Asik on Friday and still re-trade anyone acquired before Feb. 20, but they will continue to operate under their self-imposed Thursday deadline.

If the Rockets are unable to agree to terms on a trade, they will reset trade talks entirely.

The Rockets' strong preference is to trade Asik by the end of Thursday, but appear willing to blow up negotiations.

The Rockets and Boston Celtics have moved closest to a deal.

I call shenanigans...

I don't know, it kind of makes sense. Bass and Lee are guys they would keep rather than re-trade, so if that's their top option, why would the deadline matter?

On the other hand, I think the big motive for getting something done now is time and seeding in the West. The Rockets need to get their team together and gel in time to get a good seed and make a run this year.

I could see it going either way.

Also: anyone know why the Rockets wouldn't be asking for Fav in the deal somehow? Won't they need a backup C?

[csfansince60s]

If 76rs do hawes and option to switch 1st , we will lose out on the deal. Same if hawks give in and give up milsap

Rockets have until tomorrow.

Having a hard time seeing either of those teams stepping up if they haven't already by now. Rox woulda jumped at those offers.

No jumping, they'll settle.

76rs continue to lose so i can see them trying to get asik. They have noel penned as the future pf and hawes is not really a c or pf. Prob better as a stretch 4

Swapping 1sts option might get it done vs hous asking for a 1st(i mean no way they do that)

As for atl giving up milsap, i cant see that happening.

One other crazy possibility i still see hapenning is a three way trade that might look like

To bos: asik, waiters
To cavs: green, dmo
To hous: verajao , celts protected 1st

Better deal for hous. Worksout ok for everyone

Wouldn't mind seeing the Cle scenario. Waiters could be had and has big talent in my opinion. Don't think Cavs want to give up Verajao, though.

'6ers want to stay bad/get worse. Asik replacing Hawes only makes them better to get a worse draft pick this year. Can't see it.