Asik trade rumors (deal reportedly off)

[Sketch5]

They wont get much better. No one wants to get rid of picks this year, well except for Brooklyn  Bass and Lee are great off the bench guys. Bass will help Howard a ton by spreading the floor.

If they are worried about contracts, Bass is an expiring next season, and Lee's isn't great, but it's not horrible, and could easily be moved next season. 

Morey made some great trades last season and got his guy. Now he seems to think he can pull those kind of moves every time.

[hwangjini_1]

for comparison, our beloved perkins averaged 10.1 points in a season once, his 7th in the league. (2009-10) and perkins NEVER averaged more than 8.1 rebounds/game in a season.

Let's not start this one again. Perkins was 19 years old when he joined the Celtics, Asik was five years older in his rookie season.

please reread my post. i am not arguing age. i am arguing averages at peak seasons so far. i do not reference perk's averages at 19, or 20, or any other age based upon age. i used his peak season for reference.

[kozlodoev]

Just wait.  That deal is not likely going anywhere.  Wait and see if another team who wants to be a contender comes with a bigger offer.  Or a team that has a big injury to a big.

Houston has no rush.

Maybe, but in the meanwhile they're on the hook for the salary of a guy that doesn't play, and become less and less tradable by the minute.

[LarBrd33]

Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Woj Yahoo.

good - can only hope this is true.  tired of the trade talk for a defensive-only center.

well, to be totally fair here, asik is considered to be an excellent defender at a position where the celtics are weak. further, his  career rebounding/game projected for 36 minutes is 13.1. his real season average last year was 11.7 rebounds a game over 30 minutes.

he is more than simply a "defensive-only" center.

and just to add to the discussion, asik is now in his 5th year in the league. during his 4th year he averaged 10.1 points/game.

for comparison, our beloved perkins averaged 10.1 points in a season once, his 7th in the league. (2009-10) and perkins NEVER averaged more than 8.1 rebounds/game in a season.

neither guys seem to be offensive dynamos, but asik does show he has the potential to surpass perkins in offense, rebounding, and defense even at his peak.

Not fair to compare Perk to Asik.   When you have THREE hall-of-fame elite scorers on your team, you can afford to have the a couple role playing offensive liabilities filling out the starting lineup.   You add Rondo and Asik next to the likes of Bradley, Sully and Green, not sure how they'll consistently put the ball in the hoop.   WE'll be great defensively... terrible offensively.  Should see a lot of losses where the score is like 88 to 93.

[Lucky17]

Just wait.  That deal is not likely going anywhere.  Wait and see if another team who wants to be a contender comes with a bigger offer.  Or a team that has a big injury to a big.

Houston has no rush.

Yep.

While it's true that Houston has no real leverage right now to get what they want, leverage can shift instantaneously when an injury bug strikes.

[hwangjini_1]

Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Woj Yahoo.

good - can only hope this is true.  tired of the trade talk for a defensive-only center.

well, to be totally fair here, asik is considered to be an excellent defender at a position where the celtics are weak. further, his  career rebounding/game projected for 36 minutes is 13.1. he real season average last year was 11.7 rebounds a game.

he is more than simply a "defensive-only" center.

and just to add to the discussion, asik is now in his 5th year in the league. during his 4th year he averaged 10.1 points/game.

for comparison, our beloved perkins averaged 10.1 points in a season once, his 7th in the league. (2009-10) and perkins NEVER averaged more than 8.1 rebounds/game in a season.

neither guys seem to be offensive dynamos, but asik does show he has the potential to surpass perkins in offense, rebounding, and defense even at his peak.

Asik is a very nice player.  If we were a defensive anchor away from being competitive in the playoffs against the Pacers / Heat, I'd be very much in favor of trading assets for him.

But I don't think the team is there, yet.  Still a couple years away from being at that point.

this is a very valid point. yes, asik would be a nice addition. but he wont have the team turn a corner and become contenders. i agree.

another way to view this might be this way. assuming the celtics gave up the clippers 2015 pick, or even the atlanta 2014 pick, where would those picks fall? the atlanta pick will probably be in the 20-25 range. the clippers? hard to say, but probably in the 20s.

is the talent available in either of those ranges better than asik? i dont know, but i am sure ainge has done the calculations on this.

[BballTim]

Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Woj Yahoo.

So does this mean, Houston will start playing asik again? What a mess. For the sake of the teammates and coach, they need resolution.

I like that ainge has held firm on his 4 quarters for a crinkled dollar offer. The celtics aren't desperate for asik. If they get him, cool. If not, whatever. Another center will be found in the next 3 years.

Houston really screwed up and doesn't want to admit it... posturing. Latest Woj tweet has them buying time. Buying time for what? They're never going to have leverage, everyone knows they need to trade this guy and they gave him an awful contract. Rockets big mistake was not trading him instantly after getting Howard.

I bet they bite on a trade soon once Morey realizes it's a lost cause and keeping him is worse than the position they're already in. But seriously who didn't see this coming. You expect Millsap and Hawes? That's a joke they're lucky they have our offer truthfully.

Exactly.

What leverage are they regaining between now and the deadline? None.

  You'd have to assume that they'd be hoping that someone has an injury or for some other reason decides they must have him. If they don't trade him by the deadline they'd be staring at an unhappy bench player making $15M in the final year of his contract. I think the odds of Houston doing better by waiting aren't that great.

[wdleehi]

Just wait.  That deal is not likely going anywhere.  Wait and see if another team who wants to be a contender comes with a bigger offer.  Or a team that has a big injury to a big.

Houston has no rush.

Maybe, but in the meanwhile they're on the hook for the salary of a guy that doesn't play, and become less and less tradable by the minute.

Is he shrinking?  Will he be 6'9 when the trade deadline approaches?



Or are his skills deteriorating? 



No.  They will gain leverage because there is a true deadline that effects the other teams as well. 





This GM built his team by being patient.  Why is he going to stop being that now?

[heyvik]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 19m
Houston needs to buy more time to find a deal. Rockets weren't dealing from a place of leverage now, and rest of league knew it.

I'm at a loss at how the Rockets think they'll ever deal from a "place of leverage" in this. They have a disgruntled player whom they can't fit in their lineup, and who's making a ton of money over the next season and two thirds.

The only thing HOU can hope for is a contending big man going down in the East, and last time I counted that was.....Hibbert, and possibly Bosh...
SMH...don't know what they are thinking...their market is no one in the West...I hope danny now makes it a 2nd rounder instead...Bass, Lee and 2nd rounder.

[PhoSita]

Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Woj Yahoo.

So does this mean, Houston will start playing asik again? What a mess. For the sake of the teammates and coach, they need resolution.

I like that ainge has held firm on his 4 quarters for a crinkled dollar offer. The celtics aren't desperate for asik. If they get him, cool. If not, whatever. Another center will be found in the next 3 years.

Houston really screwed up and doesn't want to admit it... posturing. Latest Woj tweet has them buying time. Buying time for what? They're never going to have leverage, everyone knows they need to trade this guy and they gave him an awful contract. Rockets big mistake was not trading him instantly after getting Howard.

I bet they bite on a trade soon once Morey realizes it's a lost cause and keeping him is worse than the position they're already in. But seriously who didn't see this coming. You expect Millsap and Hawes? That's a joke they're lucky they have our offer truthfully.

Exactly.

What leverage are they regaining between now and the deadline? None.

  You'd have to assume that they'd be hoping that someone has an injury or for some other reason decides they must have him. If they don't trade him by the deadline they'd be staring at an unhappy bench player making $15M in the final year of his contract. I think the odds of Houston doing better by waiting aren't that great.

The main problem I see for Houston is that they don't want to trade Asik within the Western Conference because it would strengthen their competition (few players can check Howard like Asik can).

But none of the Eastern Conference teams are in a rush to trade for a guy like Asik because everybody is miles away from competing with Indiana and Miami.  Adding Asik isn't going to make enough of a difference.

As such, the market for Asik is weak.

[BballTim]

Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Woj Yahoo.

good - can only hope this is true.  tired of the trade talk for a defensive-only center.

well, to be totally fair here, asik is considered to be an excellent defender at a position where the celtics are weak. further, his  career rebounding/game projected for 36 minutes is 13.1. he real season average last year was 11.7 rebounds a game.

he is more than simply a "defensive-only" center.

and just to add to the discussion, asik is now in his 5th year in the league. during his 4th year he averaged 10.1 points/game.

for comparison, our beloved perkins averaged 10.1 points in a season once, his 7th in the league. (2009-10) and perkins NEVER averaged more than 8.1 rebounds/game in a season.

neither guys seem to be offensive dynamos, but asik does show he has the potential to surpass perkins in offense, rebounding, and defense even at his peak.

Asik is a very nice player.  If we were a defensive anchor away from being competitive in the playoffs against the Pacers / Heat, I'd be very much in favor of trading assets for him.

But I don't think the team is there, yet.  Still a couple years away from being at that point.

  We'd probably be a player or two away from that. With all the draft picks we have it's hard to put a timetable on how long it could take.

[wdleehi]

Only the Rockets were up against the clock to make a deal.  And that clock was a clock they created. 



Why keep that clock if the deals are less then inspiring?


Why not wait until other teams are dealing with the same deadline where they feel the pressure to get something done?

[kozlodoev]

You'd have to assume that they'd be hoping that someone has an injury or for some other reason decides they must have him. If they don't trade him by the deadline they'd be staring at an unhappy bench player making $15M in the final year of his contract. I think the odds of Houston doing better by waiting aren't that great.

Even so, Portland and Indiana are the only two title contenders I can think of that may have their center go down, and find Asik a reasonable substitute. And I'm not even sure what they have to offer.

[TheBig3]

Just wait.  That deal is not likely going anywhere.  Wait and see if another team who wants to be a contender comes with a bigger offer.  Or a team that has a big injury to a big.

Houston has no rush.

The only problem with that is a team that suffers and injury that would look to replace that player (in this case a Center), would most likely be a contender, based on that they would have to have the contracts to trade back without weakening the whole team and most likely unless they own another pick from a team finishing low will only be able to surrender a draft pick towards the end of the draft (which I assume was what we were offering if it was the clippers pick). Sure it could happen, but you could count on 1 hand minus a few fingers how many teams might meet that criteria and you have to hope the injury occurs..

Yep.

While it's true that Houston has no real leverage right now to get what they want, leverage can shift instantaneously when an injury bug strikes.

[hwangjini_1]

Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Woj Yahoo.

good - can only hope this is true.  tired of the trade talk for a defensive-only center.

well, to be totally fair here, asik is considered to be an excellent defender at a position where the celtics are weak. further, his  career rebounding/game projected for 36 minutes is 13.1. his real season average last year was 11.7 rebounds a game over 30 minutes.

he is more than simply a "defensive-only" center.

and just to add to the discussion, asik is now in his 5th year in the league. during his 4th year he averaged 10.1 points/game.

for comparison, our beloved perkins averaged 10.1 points in a season once, his 7th in the league. (2009-10) and perkins NEVER averaged more than 8.1 rebounds/game in a season.

neither guys seem to be offensive dynamos, but asik does show he has the potential to surpass perkins in offense, rebounding, and defense even at his peak.

Not fair to compare Perk to Asik.   When you have THREE hall-of-fame elite scorers on your team, you can afford to have the a couple role playing offensive liabilities filling out the starting lineup.   You add Rondo and Asik next to the likes of Bradley, Sully and Green, not sure how they'll consistently put the ball in the hoop.   WE'll be great defensively... terrible offensively.  Should see a lot of losses where the score is like 88 to 93.

good points, though the perk comparison may help some posters with a possible context for asik...or at least i had hoped it would.

who will surround asik...assuming his butt ever gets into a celtic green uniform? we dont know. by the same token, if asik were to be plopped down on the celtics in 2006,, 07, 08, etc... what would be his performance? who knows for sure?

after watching a little of asik, i suspect he is a better ball player than perk. and if perk can hold down the center position on a championship team, perhaps so could asik.