Asik trade rumors (deal reportedly off)

[PhoSita]

It's a bit concerning that the market for Lee and Bass seems to be so tepid.  I know they're undersized role players getting paid very well for what they do, but hopefully Ainge won't have to actually give up a pick just to move either of them.

I think think DA would have to give up a pick to dump Lee.  But I don't think he would do it.  As for Bass, I think DA would happily trade him for a warm body with an expiring contract (and nothing more).  I am not sure he would get that deal.

So yeah, if you think these two have much of any value, then you might be disappointed.

I think they definitely could have value in the rotation of a decent team.  Especially Bass.

The market is pretty depressed because you have an entire Eastern Conference of teams that have no interest in trading for win-now role players like Bass and Lee.


Those contracts are rough though.  They were given out at a time when the Celtics expected to be in contention for a year or two.  Now they're dead weight.  It's a pity that in the NBA you can't negotiate to still pay part of the player's salary, like in the MLB.  Plenty of teams would want Bass or Lee if they made about half as much money.

[kozlodoev]

You put Bogut at the 10 slot?! Paid much attention to the NBA lately?

Had a similar reaction  myself.

Also don't really understand the love for Vucevic or Jordan Hill.

Vucevic has been pretty good in Orlando for a couple of seasons now.

But I can't take any center top 10 that includes Bogut and Bosh seriously.

[Kane3387]

Asik is a top ten center and I wouldn't laugh at someone who valued him as a top five center in the NBA.

Slot him in there for me- where do you see him?

1. Howard
2. Hibbert
3. Chandler
4. M. Gasol
5. Noah
6. B. Lopez
7. Horford
8. Bosh
9. Drummond
10. Bogut
11. Vucevic
12. Jefferson
13. Pekovic
14. P. Gasol
15. Jordan
16. Splitter
17. Hawes
18. Varejao
19. Hill
20. Koufos
21. Valenciunas
22. McGee
...?

He's in that 15-18 category. Not worth an unprotected pick by himself. I can see where you have to sweeten a deal that Courtney lees contract is in though.

[LarBrd33]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years. 

[kozlodoev]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years.

Too bad serious NBA teams actually run scouting departments.

[sofutomygaha]

Asik is a top ten center and I wouldn't laugh at someone who valued him as a top five center in the NBA.

Slot him in there for me- where do you see him?

1. Howard
2. Hibbert
3. Chandler
4. M. Gasol
5. Noah
6. B. Lopez
7. Horford
8. Bosh
9. Drummond
10. Bogut
11. Vucevic
12. Jefferson
13. Pekovic
14. P. Gasol
15. Jordan
16. Splitter
17. Hawes
18. Varejao
19. Hill
20. Koufos
21. Valenciunas
22. McGee
...?

You put Bogut at the 10 slot?! Paid much attention to the NBA lately?

Not the easiest thing in the world to rank these players, but taking all factors and 5 minutes into account, that's my best shot at framing the discussion. Asik and Bogut is an interesting comparison- defensively they are very similar values. Offensively, Bogut is far superior. Durability-wise, Asik wins.

If I had my choice, I'd rather have Bogut than Asik. I like LooseCannon's tiers, though, for the most part. I think I'd prefer Asik to Al Jefferson or Nic Vucevic, for example.

[PhoSita]

You put Bogut at the 10 slot?! Paid much attention to the NBA lately?

Had a similar reaction  myself.

Also don't really understand the love for Vucevic or Jordan Hill.

Vucevic has been pretty good in Orlando for a couple of seasons now.

But I can't take any center top 10 that includes Bogut and Bosh seriously.

Vucevic just seems like a classic "bad team good numbers" guy.  Very good rebounder.  Not sure he's particularly great at anything else.

[LarBrd33]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years.

Too bad serious NBA teams actually run scouting departments.

Yup... and clearly those scouting departments don't think as much of Asik as Morey does... otherwise they would have sent an offer worth taking.

[Kane3387]

You put Bogut at the 10 slot?! Paid much attention to the NBA lately?

Had a similar reaction  myself.

Also don't really understand the love for Vucevic or Jordan Hill.

Vucevic has been pretty good in Orlando for a couple of seasons now.

But I can't take any center top 10 that includes Bogut and Bosh seriously.

Vucevic just seems like a classic "bad team good numbers" guy.  Very good rebounder.  Not sure he's particularly great at anything else.

Bosh gets a lot of crap but he's top ten.

[BballTim]

Well, like I said yesterday.  Houston would rather let Asik rot on the bench than trade him for a package like Bass and Lee.  They might be desperate, but they are not stupid.

Would be ridiculously stupid to keep Asik out of stubberness especially if they are looking to contend.

Houston has absolutely no leverage here. They are trading Omer Asik not Howard or Harden. Absolutely no bemefit to keeping him. And agaim its Asik, an average or tick above average center.

I am so content not making that move

I agree, keeping Asik out of stubborness would be stupid.  I just think that trading Asik for a package centered around Bass and Lee (two guys DA would dump for nothing (or a bag of chips), would be even stupider.

  It doesn't look like he got any better deals. At some point in time he might have to decide between looking stupid and looking stupid (he already looks stupid, btw, by creating such a distraction that's likely to follow the team until he unloads Asik).

[PhoSita]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years.

Too bad serious NBA teams actually run scouting departments.

Yup... and clearly those scouting departments don't think as much of Asik as Morey does... otherwise they would have sent an offer worth taking.

I think teams just have a good sense of what the general market is.  Asik is a valuable player, for the right team.  But there's not much demand.

At least 13 teams in the East and probably 5+ teams in the West know this is not the year for them to give up any future value to get better today.

[droopdog7]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years.

Not sure if serious.

[PhoSita]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years.

Not sure if serious.

On an individual basis, I think that's true.

Asik is just a few inches taller, which means he can have a larger impact on the team defense.

[sofutomygaha]

Aside- Asik's credentials as an elite defender aren't media hype. By every quantitative measure I've seen, he's one of the best defenders in the NBA. Brandon Bass is a good player, but he's nowhere near that conversation.

[Kane3387]

Bass, Lee and a 1st rounder for Asik is a sideways move anyways.  Bass is as much an "elite" defender as Asik.  The same measures point to Bass as being a game-changer. 

Asik is a nice role player.  MOrey is trying to scam the league into believing he's some star. 

The lesson here... is that if we overpay Faverani 8 million a year, hold conferences yearly to explain why he's so amazing, and get the media to hype him as an "elite" defender... perhaps we too can have a "trade sweepstakes" in a few years.

Too bad serious NBA teams actually run scouting departments.

Yup... and clearly those scouting departments don't think as much of Asik as Morey does... otherwise they would have sent an offer worth taking.

Morey is trying to have ppl sell asik like Ainge had ppl talk up perk. Perk was the Howard stopper, and the enforcer, etc.

Ainge got a package for perk that Morey wants for asik basically. Thing is Ainge had to wait up until the deadline before he got presti to cave and add the clippers pick which at the time appeared to be late lottery.

It's funny out of all the ppl Morey is trying to sell asik too it's Ainge. lol the man who sold perk on two banged up knees.

Ironic. Ainge is no fool. He almost always wins in trades.

Unlikely ppl give up what Ainge got for perk for asik. One way players aren't worth that many assets. Especially to non contenders. Morey is high if he thinks he's getting a perk package for asik. Especially from Ainge.