C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking

[LooseCannon]

Please Danny, just sit down with Doc, KG, and PP and figure a resolution to this without dealing with the Clippers.  At this point, Doc steps down, KG retires or plays this year.  PP can do either as well.  It isn't worth being a door mat for other GM's in future trades to even continue this process with the clippers.

The resolution is: Danny agrees to put the best team on the floor for next season that he can do without giving up any draft picks or young assets (well, maybe Melo).  Paul Pierce doesn't get waived, though he might get traded.  Doc comes back and can say he stood up for his boys because he believed they still had a shot, so now it is up to them to prove his faith was justified.  Garnett privately agrees to waive his no-trade clause so that Ainge can shop him to a contender if the Celtics are not a playoff team as the trade deadline approaches.

Ainge finds a way to do the Millsap sign-and-trade that Jackie Mac reported was Plan A.  The Celtics find a way to bring in someone like Samuel Dalembert or Elton Brand to back up KG at center.  The Celtics find a minimum-salary point guard who can start at the beginning of the season.

[sed522002]

The C's PR tour is starting now...

 

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, Rivers was deciding between returning to the Celtics and stepping away from the game when the club asked him if he'd be interested in any of the coaching jobs that were opening around the league. Rivers was said to have no interest in the Nets, who had fired his friend Avery Johnson during the season.
    He was then asked if the Clipper job appealed to him, and it was then he learned the Celts had already had preliminary discussions with that team on releasing Rivers from the last three years of his contract and thus making him available. The Celtics were looking to accelerate the reworking of their roster and seeing what return they could get on all their assets, Rivers included. The club had also tried to work out a trade of players with the Clippers at the February deadline and were clearly interested in pursuing that again.
    "At that point, this became a situation where both Doc and the Celtics were seeing if they could both get something they wanted out of this," the source said

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The fact Rivers would be interested in taking a different job wouldn’t seem to coincide with his statements that he wanted to be with the Celtics for the post-Garnett and Pierce reconstruction and that he hoped to be one of the few coaches associated long term with one team, in the manner of Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovich.
    But sources said those quotes were designed to give the Celtics the stability they were seeking at the time as they tried to keep Pierce and Garnett while attracting free agents to complement them.
    "(He) had to say those things," said one source. "That's what the team wanted to project, and that was part of the reason for the five-year contract when they knew it probably wasn’t going to be (completed). The Celtics also knew if he wanted to step down, they'd be able to get something for him if he wanted another job before the fifth year was up."

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http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2013/06/source_rivers_never_planned_to_be_part_of_rebuilding

[Casperian]

I´m not sure I get what the problem is here.

Why not simply include the picks in the KG for Jordan trade, and let Doc walk for free?

You´re telling me Jordan and 2 picks is too much for Garnett?

[rondohondo]

The C's PR tour is starting now...

 

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, Rivers was deciding between returning to the Celtics and stepping away from the game when the club asked him if he'd be interested in any of the coaching jobs that were opening around the league. Rivers was said to have no interest in the Nets, who had fired his friend Avery Johnson during the season.
    He was then asked if the Clipper job appealed to him, and it was then he learned the Celts had already had preliminary discussions with that team on releasing Rivers from the last three years of his contract and thus making him available. The Celtics were looking to accelerate the reworking of their roster and seeing what return they could get on all their assets, Rivers included. The club had also tried to work out a trade of players with the Clippers at the February deadline and were clearly interested in pursuing that again.
    "At that point, this became a situation where both Doc and the Celtics were seeing if they could both get something they wanted out of this," the source said

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The fact Rivers would be interested in taking a different job wouldn’t seem to coincide with his statements that he wanted to be with the Celtics for the post-Garnett and Pierce reconstruction and that he hoped to be one of the few coaches associated long term with one team, in the manner of Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovich.
    But sources said those quotes were designed to give the Celtics the stability they were seeking at the time as they tried to keep Pierce and Garnett while attracting free agents to complement them.
    "(He) had to say those things," said one source. "That's what the team wanted to project, and that was part of the reason for the five-year contract when they knew it probably wasn’t going to be (completed). The Celtics also knew if he wanted to step down, they'd be able to get something for him if he wanted another job before the fifth year was up."

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http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2013/06/source_rivers_never_planned_to_be_part_of_rebuilding

Apparently they can't get anything for him thanks to David Stern

He blocks the Lakers
He blocks the c's
He fines Atlanta for tampering

BUT

When 3 of the biggest stars in the league join together in south beach, there's no collusion there? 

Wow , I don't even know what to say

Stern dictates everything I guess ?

[esel1000]

So, it's cool to trade players.

It's cool to get compensation for losing a coach.

If you do both at the same time, though, it's a veto.

That makes sense.

It's because the league, and Stern, are a huge joke.

[chambers]

So basically the following is going to have to happen.
we make the trade
KG for DeAndre Jordan +2 first rounds picks.

This must go through.
Then Doc quits the Celtics with a handshake agreement to go to the Clips.

Dont think Stern can stop that. Might have to call in Lawyers but hes full of shizz if he thinkshe can stop a deandre +2 picks for KG trade.
All Stern has heard are rumors from writers, it would never hold up in court.

The sad thing is that I think Stern can block the trade.  Especially if other owners have already complained.  Unfortunately the rules and the rulebook are Sterns, and if you disagree, well you are out of luck.

Check out Woj's latest updates, he's saying the Clips aren't offering anything for Rivers.
Sounds bad for us but keep in mind Woj is part of a clean up campaign by the Clippers + C's to make the two acquisitions of KG and Rivers look like they're conducted separately and that no NBA laws are being directly broken.
This is advice from lawyers and it's amazing they've already gotten the ball rolling.

I'm pretty positive that Stern has actually announced this because other teams have complained about this trade (particularly Western conference teams in California lol) and Stern is doing his dilligence to make sure it looks like they warned everyone to make sure the process is completed 100% by the book.

This entire saga is quite predictable.
In fact I think Woj's big update earlier in the day about the Clippers not involving any picks for Doc was just part of this smokescreen.

95% this trade goes through.
Media is already helping us clean the image of this thing up. Sterns probably also asked they don't talk until after game 7 because it's distracting from the game.
Look into the bigger picture and stern is just covering his ass by making us and the clips cover theirs.

[esel1000]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

[blink]

So basically the following is going to have to happen.
we make the trade
KG for DeAndre Jordan +2 first rounds picks.

This must go through.
Then Doc quits the Celtics with a handshake agreement to go to the Clips.

Dont think Stern can stop that. Might have to call in Lawyers but hes full of shizz if he thinkshe can stop a deandre +2 picks for KG trade.
All Stern has heard are rumors from writers, it would never hold up in court.

The sad thing is that I think Stern can block the trade.  Especially if other owners have already complained.  Unfortunately the rules and the rulebook are Sterns, and if you disagree, well you are out of luck.

Check out Woj's latest updates, he's saying the Clips aren't offering anything for Rivers.
Sounds bad for us but keep in mind Woj is part of a clean up campaign by the Clippers + C's to make the two acquisitions of KG and Rivers look like they're conducted separately and that no NBA laws are being directly broken.
This is advice from lawyers and it's amazing they've already gotten the ball rolling.

I'm pretty positive that Stern has actually announced this because other teams have complained about this trade (particularly Western conference teams in California lol) and Stern is doing his dilligence to make sure it looks like they warned everyone to make sure the process is completed 100% by the book.

This entire saga is quite predictable.
In fact I think Woj's big update earlier in the day about the Clippers not involving any picks for Doc was just part of this smokescreen.

95% this trade goes through.
Media is already helping us clean the image of this thing up. Sterns probably also asked they don't talk until after game 7 because it's distracting from the game.
Look into the bigger picture and stern is just covering his ass by making us and the clips cover theirs.

oh man, if that is the case then everyone is using everyone else and absolutely NO ONE's words amount to anything.  Hard to believe Stern says the things he did today, and then somehow changes his mind and the deal goes through tomorrow.

[lightspeed5]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

[LooseCannon]

Apparently they can't get anything for him thanks to David Stern

He blocks the Lakers
He blocks the c's
He fines Atlanta for tampering

BUT

When 3 of the biggest stars in the league join together in south beach, there's no collusion there? 

Wow , I don't even know what to say

Stern dictates everything I guess ?

I can see a legitimate case for Stern block a deal here but I can't really find anything for Stern to block in how the Heat were assembled.

[SHAQATTACK]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

LoL ..can;t pull the wool over Sterns eyes ...it takes a crook to know how to catch one...

Glen RIvers = Pet  Skunk

[blink]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

LoL ..can;t pull the wool over Sterns eyes ...it takes a crook to know how to catch one...

Glen RIvers = Pet  Skunk

Isn't there some other 'i hate doc' thread that you could post this stuff in?

[esel1000]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

Ok but in this case it would be an assumption not a fact. These two events could easily be unconnected. And we wouldn't technically be getting compensation for Doc...

[hpantazo]

with all of the reported rumors of the trade negotiations, the celtics and clippers backed themselves into a corner here. There is really no way to rework the deal to make it convincing that Doc going to LA is not related to the KG deal and vice versa,

[Celtics4ever]

Stern will screw over the C any way he can.  He is the devil!