C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking

[bruinsandceltics]

Can someone explain why we have to make this "two" transactions?

This isn't something the league said, it was the teams that came up with the two transactions thing.

[greenhead85]

Can a third team come in to absorb KG and flips him over to LAC?

Then Doc goes to LAC for future picks as compensation.

[letsgoblue86]

Stern will screw over the C any way he can.  He is the devil!

But...but one time in an interview he said he loved the Celtics!

[Casperian]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

So, Pau Gasol for Kwame, Crittenton, McKie, the rights to Marc Gasol and two first is a fair deal, but this one isn´t? Do we have overseas players we don´t want and can include in this deal?

Quick, someone get a few statheads together in one room, to compile a list of 800 irrelevant stats which prove that Garnett is a better player than Jordan. Let Woj report that.

I´m certainly not someone who easily believes in conspiracy theories, but as far as I´m concerned, the credibility of the whole league is on the line if this doesn´t go through. This blatant act of favoritism is the final nail in the coffin, and far worse than our bureaucratic handling of the league rules.

[greg_kite]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

Ok but in this case it would be an assumption not a fact. These two events could easily be unconnected. And we wouldn't technically be getting compensation for Doc...

Totally agree.  How long can he block this trade from going through?  Or any trade for that matter?  What if KG only wants to play for Doc, but will play for Doc no matter where he goes?  Won't any KG deal be contingent on where Doc ends up?  Is that the fault of the two teams or is it KGs fault?  Seems more like the player dictating the situation, not the teams.  Clearly some gray area here that Stern might not be able to prove.  I'd consider taking this to court if I'm the Celtics and Clippers.

[SHAQATTACK]

I hope this whole mess falls though .


KG needs to come back where he belongs ,  stay out of that heathen LA CA crowd and be wif good folks in Boston 


I can't wait to see Anton behind the micro phone




FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS !!!!!!

[Lebowski]

This is interminable. I'm drained just from keeping up with all this running in place, and now Stern is enjoying the dance so much he goes, "Hey guys, take a tango round the room a few more times".

I get that Doc can't be included in any deal with DAJ, but why can't the two teams discuss the parameters of two separate deals as if it was one (or vice versa), I mean we are entitled to compensation for Doc aren't we? What is the logic in trying to start it all again so that everyone can say, "These were definitely two unique agreements". Who exactly does this appease? The people who care about the trade in that sort of detail aren't suddenly going to forgot what has happened before.

Can it please all just end now?!


C's: This is what we want.

(leads to)

Clippers: Yes/No

(If yes, leads to)

Stern: Yes/No

Simple. Done. Finished. Finito.

For the love of everything that is Holy, make this stop!

[Cman]

So basically the following is going to have to happen.
we make the trade
KG for DeAndre Jordan +2 first rounds picks.

This must go through.
Then Doc quits the Celtics with a handshake agreement to go to the Clips.

Dont think Stern can stop that. Might have to call in Lawyers but hes full of shizz if he thinkshe can stop a deandre +2 picks for KG trade.
All Stern has heard are rumors from writers, it would never hold up in court.

The sad thing is that I think Stern can block the trade.  Especially if other owners have already complained.  Unfortunately the rules and the rulebook are Sterns, and if you disagree, well you are out of luck.

Check out Woj's latest updates, he's saying the Clips aren't offering anything for Rivers.
Sounds bad for us but keep in mind Woj is part of a clean up campaign by the Clippers + C's to make the two acquisitions of KG and Rivers look like they're conducted separately and that no NBA laws are being directly broken.
This is advice from lawyers and it's amazing they've already gotten the ball rolling.

I'm pretty positive that Stern has actually announced this because other teams have complained about this trade (particularly Western conference teams in California lol) and Stern is doing his dilligence to make sure it looks like they warned everyone to make sure the process is completed 100% by the book.

This entire saga is quite predictable.
In fact I think Woj's big update earlier in the day about the Clippers not involving any picks for Doc was just part of this smokescreen.

95% this trade goes through.
Media is already helping us clean the image of this thing up. Sterns probably also asked they don't talk until after game 7 because it's distracting from the game.
Look into the bigger picture and stern is just covering his ass by making us and the clips cover theirs.

Yes, I think something like this is correct.
By this time tomorrow night, the trade(s) will likely be done, and the forums will be filling up with speculation about who will be drafted with the 1st rounders.

[LooseCannon]

Can someone explain why we have to make this "two" transactions?

This isn't something the league said, it was the teams that came up with the two transactions thing.

Players can only be traded in deals that involve player contracts, draft considerations, and cash.  You can't trade a coach's contract in a deal that involves players.  You really can't trade a coach's contract at all.  You can negotiate some sort of compensation for the releasing a coach from his contractual obligations, but player contracts can't be in the mix.

You can break up a deal involving multiple players/picks into several deals for purposes such as generating trade exceptions because the overall deal is legal.  You can't break up a deal involving KG and Doc into two separate transactions because the overall deal is illegal.

[SHAQATTACK]

PAy KG to STAY and be an assistant coach of big men.....get Cousins  on the team  and hire Larry Bird as GM

[rondohondo]

What if we wait til draft day?

Have the clips pick #25 and then after the draft

do a trade of KG for #25(who is now technically a player instead of a pick) and Jordan

Maybe we send back a 2nd rd pick and crawford as well

Then later in the summer release Doc for a 2014 pick as compensation

How can they say that's not a fair trade?

This work?

[Smokeeye123]

This is the most annoying trade of all time. Just take a 2014 first rounder and DJ Ainge Im tired of this thing.

[LooseCannon]

PAy KG to STAY and be an assistant coach of big men.....get Cousins  on the team  and hire Larry Bird as GM

KG would have to retire first.  It is against the CBA to have a player-coach.

[mloyko]

If this deal isn't able to be completed. I am just fine with making Doc go back to broadcasting.

Amnesty KG to clear his cap space..

Either trade Pierce or Buy him out..

Thats the quickest way to clear cap space.

[esel1000]

I guess what I don't understand is what stops the Clips from trading us Jordan and two firsts for KG?

Then we release Doc since the relationship between him and the organization has been "broken" due to this mess and he "interviews" and the Clips hire him?

david stern will veto that.  he knows that trick already

Ok but in this case it would be an assumption not a fact. These two events could easily be unconnected. And we wouldn't technically be getting compensation for Doc...

Totally agree.  How long can he block this trade from going through?  Or any trade for that matter?  What if KG only wants to play for Doc, but will play for Doc no matter where he goes?  Won't any KG deal be contingent on where Doc ends up?  Is that the fault of the two teams or is it KGs fault?  Seems more like the player dictating the situation, not the teams.  Clearly some gray area here that Stern might not be able to prove.  I'd consider taking this to court if I'm the Celtics and Clippers.

Exactly. This is a stupid rule anyway, you can trade coaches in any other sport. There should be no problem with this even if they were connected. But since they can't, there should be no problem with my above suggestion. If there is, it just shows what you stated here. It's just a huge mess and looks terrible for the NBA. Nice one Stern