C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking

[colincb]

This is silly.  Are both individual moves legal within the rules of the league?... Then there is no reason to believe the league would stop either.  And thus it doesn't matter if they are contingent in each other or not since the league has zero reason to reject either individually.   

But I guess I see the thought process behind it.  You couldn't submit two trades to the league... One bringing in deandre and one right after it that sends him to the blazers for the #10.  That's why they have three team trades, I guess.

Is there no example of a team ever submitting two separate trades at the same time?... Or do they try to package them into one large trade.  What about at the trade deadline where a team submits back-to-back trades at the wire.... One sending a player to the raptors and another sending a player to the mavericks.  How is that really any different. Clearly they want both deals done and they both fit into their vision... If both trades involved sending out old vets for young players, wouldn't that be looked at as two deals "contingent" on each other?

I have to wonder if the bigger question is if Boston and the clippers have a handshake agreement for Boston NOT to trade pierce to a team in need of shedding cap space (like the mavs) and instead just buy him out.  If Boston buys out pierce instead of trading him, that points to a conspiracy

i am most certainly not privy to the inside discussions in the nba, but i think the nba's point is that these two actions (kg for aj trade, and, doc being released from his contract for 2 picks) are connected since neither one would take place without the other taking place.

that is, if you asked the clips if they would trade for kg and not have doc involved, the answer is it would not happen since kg wont go without doc.

if you asked the clips would they ask the celtics to release doc for two first rounders WITHOUT having kg follow doc to LA, i think they would say "no thanks."

therefore, it would seem that each deal depends upon the existence of the other. and if so, they are joined. and if they are joined, they violate the CBA.

i can see what the nba is saying here, even if i don't like it.

The equivalent of this happens all the time, though.  A lot of the large trades we hear about are actually a series of smaller trades, arranged in a way that either complies with the salary cap or gives some benefit to one of the trade partners.

If the NBA is disallowing concurrent trades that wouldn't occur on their own, then this is going to be a big change in the status quo.

I think the problem is that one of the two trades involves a coach.

If they were two concurrent trades involving only players, I don't think there would be an issue.

But a package deal involving player + coach is problematic.

I think you hit it on the head.  I'd be happy to trade Doc for two firsts and keep KG.  Anyone think that Clips would do that?  Or that KG would go without Doc?

[badshar]

Baxter Holmes @BaxterHolmes 1 minute ago

David Stern on proposed Clips-Celtics deal: "What the rules won’t allow, it can’t be gotten around by breaking it up into two transactions."

Chris Forsberg ‏@ESPNForsberg 1m
Stern: "I would say that, if we know that what the parties really want to do is one [trade and] they are going to break it into two for purposes of trying to avoid the restrictions that the collective bargaining agreement places on it, we know how to deal with that."

By saying "we know how to deal with that," does he mean it as in how to help the Celtics and Clippers and get the deal to go through? Or does he mean that he we will deal with it by blocking it because it breaks the rules?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I dont understand how hard or complicated this "deal" is.

This is basically KG for DeAndre + 2 first rounders. The Doc part is not really included in the trade, right? It's just an agreement if this trade commences.

How hard is that for the NBA to comprehend? Im confused...

[aingeforthree]

If you're considering Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger, & Jordan plus the draft picks dark days then sign me up now.

I don't recall dark days of the past being stacked with that type of talent.

This is hilarious, and also quite indicative of how short people's memory can be.

We had another team "loaded" with this type of "talent". I featured Pierce, Jefferson, Rondo, Perkins, Wally, and Delonte West.

Need I remind you how that went?

They became the most popular team in Boston in the last 20 years. SMH

You mean inept.

It just cracks me up when people say that kind of ineptitude was sufficient to acquire Garnett and Allen in anything remotely resembling an equitable deal.

That's just revisionist history, and that's the kindest thing I can say about it. Presti and McHale were unloading HOFers for pennies on the dollar, and Danny had a roster full of pennies.

Right place, right time? Sure. Equitable deals? Don't be absurd.

Did you just call one of the biggest prizes this offseason a penny ?

Don't disrespect big Al like that.

[snively]

What a headache. 

[aingeforthree]

I dont understand how hard or complicated this "deal" is.

This is basically KG for DeAndre + 2 first rounders. The Doc part is not really included in the trade, right? It's just an agreement if this trade commences.

How hard is that for the NBA to comprehend? Im confused...

I'm with ya.  It's pretty simple.

[Gomesfan]

This is the trade they should do, plus the Doc Rivers 1st round picks thingy and the Paul Pierce buy out or trade buy out!
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgddgzu

[Gomesfan]

Obviously this is what the Clippers kept saying no to, I would assume!

[aingeforthree]

This is the trade they should do, plus the Doc Rivers 1st round picks thingy and the Paul Pierce buy out or trade buy out!
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgddgzu

A cheap man like Sterling would never take that on.

[Q_FBE]

This night could really suck , Ray ALlen wins the Championship and the rest of the Celtics are off to help CP3 and his CA team win the next two.

I feel violated



my advise


Drink heavily tonight.

Go Root for the Bruins Saturday night.

[LGC88]

He said "2 trades to avoid a restriction". To me it's about 1st 2013 & 1st 2014. Or else I don't see where is the problem. Doc can't be traded, so he's  just leaving Boston.

[celticinorlando]

Just keeps getting worse for the Cs:

USATODAYsports: league might make C's give up a pick in the deal - http://ow.ly/mel4g 

[Tr1boy]

Stern is an idiot. Whats his problem??

Celtics can do KG for Jordan + 1st (bc 2 first is mighty suspecious if the league gauges on kg's value).

Then in a day or two, do a rights to negotiate with Rivers for another 1st.

[Evantime34]

Just keeps getting worse for the Cs:

USATODAYsports: league might make C's give up a pick in the deal - http://ow.ly/mel4g

That doesn't make sense at all. I think Doc for a first is reasonable and DeAndre and a first for KG is reasonable.

If C's have to give up one of the picks they should walk.

[Roy H.]

Just keeps getting worse for the Cs:

USATODAYsports: league might make C's give up a pick in the deal - http://ow.ly/mel4g

The league sucks.

I understood its tinkering in the Chris Paul trade last year:  the league owned the team, and should have control over the package it gets.

Here, even though I don't like this trade, it appears that the NBA is messing with us just for the sake of doing so, to exert its power.

Allegedly the argument that the league is making is that KG -- who just led the playoffs in rebounding, and who is an elite defender -- isn't worth DeAndre Jordan and two #1s by himself.  That's laughable.