BLOCKBUSTER TRADE Howard, Bynum, Iguodala (ESPN confirming its done)

[celtsfan84]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

Agreed.

I wonder why that didn't go down.

I was thinking the same thing.  But we never really got a good picture of what Houston's offer actually was.  Who exactly were they offering?  How many rookies?  How many picks?

Surely it should be better than this garbage, but we don't really know.

I think the trade was going to go down before the draft, so Orlando would have received those three picks in the teens that Houston had, along with maybe Kevin Martin(don't know for sure).

Kevin Martin and three middling picks isn't much either. Afflalo and 3 picks might be better than Martin and 3 picks.

Except the 3 picks they're getting now are protected picks.

Yes, but the three picks they would've received from Houston weren't going to win the lottery either.  They were already decided and weren't all that high.

Afflalo, Vucevic, Harkless, and 3 later picks vs. Kevin Martin and 3 mid 1st picks. Meh.

[Mencius]

Sometimes mere rankings don't come close to telling the story.  I mean, there was Jordan, and then there was who at the other end of that chasm between #1 and #2, Drexler?  In some cases, just characterizing a trade as best at position vs second best can really minimizes the the lopsidedness of a trade. 

Nobody's saying that Bynum is Ryan Hollins.  Just that Howard is much better than Bynum, and that the Lakers got a steal for what they gave up.

I guess you are forgetting that Dwight is a free agent at the end of the year and thus Orlando has no leverage to just pick and choose any player in the NBA.

If Jordan guaranteed the Bulls he was leaving, the Bulls had absolutely 0 leverage,and the Bulls were forced to trade him,  Drexler wouldn't be such a bad return.

Miami isn't going to suddenly offer up LeBron.  Let's be realistic here.  Bynum was the best player on the table.  You can't acquire players that aren't made available.

Well, for one thing Bynum's not going to Orlando in the first place, but I frankly don't care about Orlando's return, which I think is a barrel full of mediocrity; from the players going there, to the picks, of which the Lakers pick will probably be 28-30, and the Philly and Denver picks probably in the 18-22 range, but my irritation has to do with the Lakers, yet again, being the recipients of a lopsided deal in their favor in terms of what they got, and what they gave up.

Bynum and the 28th-30th pick for Howard is a flat out steal.

[CelticsFan9]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

Agreed.

I wonder why that didn't go down.

I was thinking the same thing.  But we never really got a good picture of what Houston's offer actually was.  Who exactly were they offering?  How many rookies?  How many picks?

Surely it should be better than this garbage, but we don't really know.

I think the trade was going to go down before the draft, so Orlando would have received those three picks in the teens that Houston had, along with maybe Kevin Martin(don't know for sure).

Kevin Martin and three middling picks isn't much either. Afflalo and 3 picks might be better than Martin and 3 picks.

Well, if the Magic selected Jeremy Lamb, Royce White OR Terrence Jones, and maybe Fab Melo to go along with Andrew Nicholson, that's pretty solid, I'd say.

The picks Orlando is projected to get in this trade are called "future protected first-rounders."  If future means the 2013 NBA Draft, that's bad.  If it's for years beyond that, then I have no idea.

If you told me I'd have to choose between Andrew Bynum and Arron Afflalo and Kevin Martin, however, I'd go with the former.

I guess it all comes down to how you value the draft picks.

[vinnie]

More than any other league, the NBA is 100 percent controlled by the superstars. I am absolutely sick of the league. One more year of my Celts' season tickets are I am out. No longer going to waste money for this Crapfest.

[CelticsFan9]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

But too high a price to pay for a short-term rental.  Gutting the team for Dwight isn't the answer.  That's not how you build a team.  How did Orlando fare with Dwight and a bunch of rather fringe players?

I think Who was talking about it from Orlando point of view, not Houston's.

Perhaps Orlando asked for even more than what Morey put on the table?

I think it has more to do with this: superstars usually get their way in these situations.  Very rarely do they get traded to a place they don't want to go to.  Players are spoiled, have the power, and force their way to where they wanna go.  Not saying it's a good thing.

I agree.  The main reason superstars have their way is because they can threaten to not resign.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

Agreed.

I wonder why that didn't go down.

I was thinking the same thing.  But we never really got a good picture of what Houston's offer actually was.  Who exactly were they offering?  How many rookies?  How many picks?

Surely it should be better than this garbage, but we don't really know.

I think the trade was going to go down before the draft, so Orlando would have received those three picks in the teens that Houston had, along with maybe Kevin Martin(don't know for sure).

Kevin Martin and three middling picks isn't much either. Afflalo and 3 picks might be better than Martin and 3 picks.

Except the 3 picks they're getting now are protected picks.

Yes, but the three picks they would've received from Houston weren't going to win the lottery either.  They were already decided and weren't all that high.

Afflalo, Vucevic, Harkless, and 3 later picks vs. Kevin Martin and 3 mid 1st picks. Meh.

That's a no brainer quandary..take Houston's deal all day. Hennigan is a dumb piece of dog Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..

[celtsfan84]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

Agreed.

I wonder why that didn't go down.

I was thinking the same thing.  But we never really got a good picture of what Houston's offer actually was.  Who exactly were they offering?  How many rookies?  How many picks?

Surely it should be better than this garbage, but we don't really know.

I think the trade was going to go down before the draft, so Orlando would have received those three picks in the teens that Houston had, along with maybe Kevin Martin(don't know for sure).

Kevin Martin and three middling picks isn't much either. Afflalo and 3 picks might be better than Martin and 3 picks.

Well, if the Magic selected Jeremy Lamb, Royce White OR Terrence Jones, and maybe Fab Melo to go along with Andrew Nicholson, that's pretty solid, I'd say.

The picks Orlando is projected to get in this trade are called "future protected first-rounders."  If future means the 2013 NBA Draft, that's bad.  If it's for years beyond that, then I have no idea.

If you told me I'd have to choose between Andrew Bynum and Arron Afflalo and Kevin Martin, however, I'd go with the former.

I guess it all comes down to how you value the draft picks.

I agree with you on Bynum.  Stunned Orlando took what they did.  Just saying that if Houston's offer was K-Mart and  #1's, that offer isn't that strong either.  In fact, Harkless was taken before 2 of those #1's.

[celtsfan84]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

Agreed.

I wonder why that didn't go down.

I was thinking the same thing.  But we never really got a good picture of what Houston's offer actually was.  Who exactly were they offering?  How many rookies?  How many picks?

Surely it should be better than this garbage, but we don't really know.

I think the trade was going to go down before the draft, so Orlando would have received those three picks in the teens that Houston had, along with maybe Kevin Martin(don't know for sure).

Kevin Martin and three middling picks isn't much either. Afflalo and 3 picks might be better than Martin and 3 picks.

Except the 3 picks they're getting now are protected picks.

Yes, but the three picks they would've received from Houston weren't going to win the lottery either.  They were already decided and weren't all that high.

Afflalo, Vucevic, Harkless, and 3 later picks vs. Kevin Martin and 3 mid 1st picks. Meh.

That's a no brainer quandary..take Houston's deal all day. Hennigan is a dumb piece of dog ****.

I'd rather have Afflalo, Vucevic, Harkless, and 3 #1s. But both are pretty poor returns.

[CelticsFan9]

All I'm saying is Orlando didn't make the right decision here.  They should have either taken Houston's offer or gotten Gasol, maybe Gallinari or Chandler instead of Afflalo

Yeah, I think Houston's offer was better than this.

Agreed.

I wonder why that didn't go down.

I was thinking the same thing.  But we never really got a good picture of what Houston's offer actually was.  Who exactly were they offering?  How many rookies?  How many picks?

Surely it should be better than this garbage, but we don't really know.

I think the trade was going to go down before the draft, so Orlando would have received those three picks in the teens that Houston had, along with maybe Kevin Martin(don't know for sure).

Kevin Martin and three middling picks isn't much either. Afflalo and 3 picks might be better than Martin and 3 picks.

Well, if the Magic selected Jeremy Lamb, Royce White OR Terrence Jones, and maybe Fab Melo to go along with Andrew Nicholson, that's pretty solid, I'd say.

The picks Orlando is projected to get in this trade are called "future protected first-rounders."  If future means the 2013 NBA Draft, that's bad.  If it's for years beyond that, then I have no idea.

If you told me I'd have to choose between Andrew Bynum and Arron Afflalo and Kevin Martin, however, I'd go with the former.

I guess it all comes down to how you value the draft picks.

I agree with you on Bynum.  Stunned Orlando took what they did.  Just saying that if Houston's offer was K-Mart and  #1's, that offer isn't that strong either.  In fact, Harkless was taken before 2 of those #1's.

Question: how much do you think Howard's back surgery factored into the Lakers possibly not agreeing to this deal in principle?

[Celts Fan 92]

So sick of this garbage.

Even a 3rd grader would know what the Rockets offered the Magic was the best deal for them, a bunch of young players, a bunch of carapace, and a bunch of picks. Sounds like a done deal... oh, you just traded for Aaron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Moe Harkless and three picks that are going to be in the upper 20's...

This has NBA traded Dwight Howard to the Lakers all over it. I guarantee you Stern stepped in and said, "Nope, Dwights going to LA, make it happen."

By the way, what is the Lakers payroll, like 200 million?

co-sign da bolded Orlando had da best asset but still ate da Biggest L in dis 4 way deal

[celtsfan84]

Sometimes mere rankings don't come close to telling the story.  I mean, there was Jordan, and then there was who at the other end of that chasm between #1 and #2, Drexler?  In some cases, just characterizing a trade as best at position vs second best can really minimizes the the lopsidedness of a trade. 

Nobody's saying that Bynum is Ryan Hollins.  Just that Howard is much better than Bynum, and that the Lakers got a steal for what they gave up.

I guess you are forgetting that Dwight is a free agent at the end of the year and thus Orlando has no leverage to just pick and choose any player in the NBA.

If Jordan guaranteed the Bulls he was leaving, the Bulls had absolutely 0 leverage,and the Bulls were forced to trade him,  Drexler wouldn't be such a bad return.

Miami isn't going to suddenly offer up LeBron.  Let's be realistic here.  Bynum was the best player on the table.  You can't acquire players that aren't made available.

Well, for one thing Bynum's not going to Orlando in the first place, but I frankly don't care about Orlando's return, which I think is a barrel full of mediocrity; from the players going there, to the picks, of which the Lakers pick will probably be 28-30, and the Philly and Denver picks probably in the 18-22 range, but my irritation has to do with the Lakers, yet again, being the recipients of a lopsided deal in their favor in terms of what they got, and what they gave up.

Bynum and the 28th-30th pick for Howard is a flat out steal.

Regardless, Bynum was the best option out there.  The Lakers have no reason to offer more than the best offer. Bynum was the best piece on the table and they offered it.  They had no need to go even higher. Giving up any more would have been foolish.  The Lakers are many things, positive and negative, but they are not foolish.

[RJ87]

Wow. Just wow. Every team in the deal makes out okay EXCEPT Orlando. They should be embarrassed.

[laker-bob]

If Dwight had Houston on his list of destinations, that Rox deal probably gets done.

Lakers coach is still Mike Brown - that has to be comforting for Boston fans, right? 

[celtsfan84]

Question: how much do you think Howard's back surgery factored into the Lakers possibly not agreeing to this deal in principle?

I don't really think Howard's back surgery was a factor in this decision at all.  The Lakers probably assume he is coming back healthy.

[celtsfan84]

Wow. Just wow. Every team in the deal makes out okay EXCEPT Orlando. They should be embarrassed.

See to me that is the big story in this deal.  Not some wild Laker conspiracy in a deal where they got the best player and gave up the second best player.

The big story is Orlando finally trading their franchise player and coming up with such a forgettable return.  Great point.