2012 CB Historical Draft Board (New News, Check It Out)

[wdleehi]

Yeah whatever. Statistically can't really defend Nash > Paul. I stand by my comments of him as a leader, but Paul's 08-09 season was a world-beater.

Paul's better than Nash. No question about it.

BUUUUUT, with Pippen already on board, in this particular format, it's open for debate. I think Nash was probably the right selection for you.

this is just me, but since Nash is not a good defender, if he goes against all star PG's, Pippen has to slide down there and take care of it.

Paul would be able to do what Nash does offensively while not as better. But he does not need Pip to defend other PG's. Pippen can stay and guard wings.

By the way, who's up?

Moranis

[Moranis]

Yeah whatever. Statistically can't really defend Nash > Paul. I stand by my comments of him as a leader, but Paul's 08-09 season was a world-beater.

Paul's better than Nash. No question about it.

BUUUUUT, with Pippen already on board, in this particular format, it's open for debate. I think Nash was probably the right selection for you.

this is just me, but since Nash is not a good defender, if he goes against all star PG's, Pippen has to slide down there and take care of it.

Paul would be able to do what Nash does offensively while not as better. But he does not need Pip to defend other PG's. Pippen can stay and guard wings.

By the way, who's up?

Moranis

I am here.  Thinking.

[indeedproceed]

Yeah whatever. Statistically can't really defend Nash > Paul. I stand by my comments of him as a leader, but Paul's 08-09 season was a world-beater.

You mean until he played Denver in the playoffs and they lost by almost 100?

He hurt his knee late that year, was a shell of himself in the playoffs and couldn't move.

Do injuries like that count for this game? If a guy had an injury the year you picked him does that factor in to deciding the outcome of how a team finishes?

Example:

Player X is killing it the first sixty games of the year in his best statistical season of his career. He then gets hurt and misses the rest of the year. How does that impact a team in this game?

He's injured in this game as well.

If you took Ewing in 98-99, you get the Achilles he suffered in the playoffs.

If you took Dwight Howard for 11-12, you get the back injury and surgery.

[indeedproceed]

Chris Paul > Steve Nash

i agree.

Also wrong.

To add my two cents in the Nash/Paul debate, I believe Chris Paul is the better all around player, but I like Nash better as a leader. With Scottie Pippen, a guy who for his entire career was always the second star, I like the 2 time MVP in Steve Nash leading the show. Plus with Scottie Pippen around, you can deal with Nash's lack of defense.

Is Nash really more of a leader then Paul? Neither has ever even played in the Finals let alone lead a team there.

He's been farther along, had more playoff success, and has more experience as a leader.

How is he not better? Just because he's never been to the Finals, that makes him only as good as the guy who has also never been to the Finals?

Yeah. I mean there are guys who are legends, were the best players on their team, but didn't win a ring. And because they never won a ring they are looked at as less. The fact Nash has never even gotten his team to or lead his team to a finals with way more talent then CP3 ever had makes me wonder how you can say he is a better "leader"

Because he was the leader of those teams. He's had more success in his career as the leader of those teams, and, at the points taken (whatever yr for Paul and the 05-06 year for Nash), he had a ton more experience doing it.

So how is there a counter-arguement there?

[Kane3387]

Yeah whatever. Statistically can't really defend Nash > Paul. I stand by my comments of him as a leader, but Paul's 08-09 season was a world-beater.

You mean until he played Denver in the playoffs and they lost by almost 100?

He hurt his knee late that year, was a shell of himself in the playoffs and couldn't move.

Do injuries like that count for this game? If a guy had an injury the year you picked him does that factor in to deciding the outcome of how a team finishes?

Example:

Player X is killing it the first sixty games of the year in his best statistical season of his career. He then gets hurt and misses the rest of the year. How does that impact a team in this game?

He's injured in this game as well.

If you took Ewing in 98-99, you get the Achilles he suffered in the playoffs.

If you took Dwight Howard for 11-12, you get the back injury and surgery.

Ok cool. That's what made sense to me. So if you chose Paul in 2008-09 you have to take on his injury. Seems it be better to take him in 2007-08 when they made that run against SA.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

Yeah whatever. Statistically can't really defend Nash > Paul. I stand by my comments of him as a leader, but Paul's 08-09 season was a world-beater.

You mean until he played Denver in the playoffs and they lost by almost 100?

He hurt his knee late that year, was a shell of himself in the playoffs and couldn't move.

Do injuries like that count for this game? If a guy had an injury the year you picked him does that factor in to deciding the outcome of how a team finishes?

Example:

Player X is killing it the first sixty games of the year in his best statistical season of his career. He then gets hurt and misses the rest of the year. How does that impact a team in this game?

He's injured in this game as well.

If you took Ewing in 98-99, you get the Achilles he suffered in the playoffs.

If you took Dwight Howard for 11-12, you get the back injury and surgery.

At what point do we have to make the final selection on what years we are using?

[Moranis]

I will go with the captain, Paul Pierce.  Probably going 01-02 when he could still play SG, but haven't decided yet.  He was a great defender that year and hit the outside shot like a man that year as well, but depending on what happens may go with the title year.

Round 2: May 30th

   Rd   Pk   Ovr#   Time      Team (GM)              
   2.      1      (17)      1:30 PM      Heat (RebusRankin) Alonzo Mourning    
   2.      2      (18)      1:45 PM      Jazz (bdm860) Jason Kidd    
   2.      3      (19)      2:00 PM      Nuggets (Yoki) Grant Hill
   2.      4      (20)      2:15 PM      Spurs (IP) Steve Nash
   2.      5      (21)      2:30 PM      Magic (syfy9) Shawn Marion    
   2.      6      (22)      2:45 PM      Thunder (Kane3387) Dennis Rodman      
   2.      7      (23)      3:00 PM      Bulls (33-00-32)   Joe Dumars  
   2.      8      (24)      3:15 PM      Celtics (KCattheStripe)     Chris Paul
   2.      9      (25)      3:30 PM      Clippers (Bahku)    
   2.      10      (26)      3:45 PM      Mavericks (Moranis) Paul Pierce
   2.      11      (27)      4:00 PM      Hawks (wdleehi Redz)    
   2.      12      (28)      4:15 PM      Grizzlies (Dons)    
   2.      13      (29)      4:30 PM      Pacers (Celtic Fan Forever)    
   2.      14      (30)      4:45 PM      Knicks (Rondo2287)    
   2.      15      (31)      5:00 PM      Lakers (GreenFaith1819)    
   2.      16      (32)      5:15 PM      Sixers (Who)  

[Rondo2287]

I will go with the captain, Paul Pierce.  Probably going 01-02 when he could still play SG, but haven't decided yet.  He was a great defender that year and hit the outside shot like a man that year as well, but depending on what happens may go with the title year.

Round 2: May 30th

   Rd   Pk   Ovr#   Time      Team (GM)              
   2.      1      (17)      1:30 PM      Heat (RebusRankin) Alonzo Mourning    
   2.      2      (18)      1:45 PM      Jazz (bdm860) Jason Kidd    
   2.      3      (19)      2:00 PM      Nuggets (Yoki) Grant Hill
   2.      4      (20)      2:15 PM      Spurs (IP) Steve Nash
   2.      5      (21)      2:30 PM      Magic (syfy9) Shawn Marion    
   2.      6      (22)      2:45 PM      Thunder (Kane3387) Dennis Rodman      
   2.      7      (23)      3:00 PM      Bulls (33-00-32)   Joe Dumars  
   2.      8      (24)      3:15 PM      Celtics (KCattheStripe)     Chris Paul
   2.      9      (25)      3:30 PM      Clippers (Bahku)    
   2.      10      (26)      3:45 PM      Mavericks (Moranis) Paul Pierce
   2.      11      (27)      4:00 PM      Hawks (wdleehi Redz)    
   2.      12      (28)      4:15 PM      Grizzlies (Dons)    
   2.      13      (29)      4:30 PM      Pacers (Celtic Fan Forever)    
   2.      14      (30)      4:45 PM      Knicks (Rondo2287)    
   2.      15      (31)      5:00 PM      Lakers (GreenFaith1819)    
   2.      16      (32)      5:15 PM      Sixers (Who)  

I would definitely go with the title year if i were you.

[indeedproceed]

Yeah whatever. Statistically can't really defend Nash > Paul. I stand by my comments of him as a leader, but Paul's 08-09 season was a world-beater.

Paul's better than Nash. No question about it.

BUUUUUT, with Pippen already on board, in this particular format, it's open for debate. I think Nash was probably the right selection for you.

this is just me, but since Nash is not a good defender, if he goes against all star PG's, Pippen has to slide down there and take care of it.

Paul would be able to do what Nash does offensively while not as better. But he does not need Pip to defend other PG's. Pippen can stay and guard wings.

By the way, who's up?

I'm gonna need to get some other good defenders, but I hardly think Pippen is going to obligatorily have to 'slide over' to cover for Nash. Its gonna be a team-defensive game.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

I will go with the captain, Paul Pierce.  Probably going 01-02 when he could still play SG, but haven't decided yet.  He was a great defender that year and hit the outside shot like a man that year as well, but depending on what happens may go with the title year.

Round 2: May 30th

   Rd   Pk   Ovr#   Time      Team (GM)              
   2.      1      (17)      1:30 PM      Heat (RebusRankin) Alonzo Mourning    
   2.      2      (18)      1:45 PM      Jazz (bdm860) Jason Kidd    
   2.      3      (19)      2:00 PM      Nuggets (Yoki) Grant Hill
   2.      4      (20)      2:15 PM      Spurs (IP) Steve Nash
   2.      5      (21)      2:30 PM      Magic (syfy9) Shawn Marion    
   2.      6      (22)      2:45 PM      Thunder (Kane3387) Dennis Rodman      
   2.      7      (23)      3:00 PM      Bulls (33-00-32)   Joe Dumars  
   2.      8      (24)      3:15 PM      Celtics (KCattheStripe)     Chris Paul
   2.      9      (25)      3:30 PM      Clippers (Bahku)    
   2.      10      (26)      3:45 PM      Mavericks (Moranis) Paul Pierce
   2.      11      (27)      4:00 PM      Hawks (wdleehi Redz)    
   2.      12      (28)      4:15 PM      Grizzlies (Dons)    
   2.      13      (29)      4:30 PM      Pacers (Celtic Fan Forever)    
   2.      14      (30)      4:45 PM      Knicks (Rondo2287)    
   2.      15      (31)      5:00 PM      Lakers (GreenFaith1819)    
   2.      16      (32)      5:15 PM      Sixers (Who)  

Nice one! Was wondering when the truth would go

[Donoghus]

Solid pick to go with the Mailman.  That's a tough duo there.

[indeedproceed]

I will go with the captain, Paul Pierce.  Probably going 01-02 when he could still play SG, but haven't decided yet.  He was a great defender that year and hit the outside shot like a man that year as well, but depending on what happens may go with the title year.

I would definitely go with the title year if i were you.

Especially since Malone never won a ring, putting a leader like Paul and Finals MVP on the roster shores up that kind of arbitrary and nonsensical but very real weakness.

[StartOrien]

Chris Paul > Steve Nash

i agree.

Also wrong.

To add my two cents in the Nash/Paul debate, I believe Chris Paul is the better all around player, but I like Nash better as a leader. With Scottie Pippen, a guy who for his entire career was always the second star, I like the 2 time MVP in Steve Nash leading the show. Plus with Scottie Pippen around, you can deal with Nash's lack of defense.

Is Nash really more of a leader then Paul? Neither has ever even played in the Finals let alone lead a team there.

He's been farther along, had more playoff success, and has more experience as a leader.

How is he not better? Just because he's never been to the Finals, that makes him only as good as the guy who has also never been to the Finals?

Yeah. I mean there are guys who are legends, were the best players on their team, but didn't win a ring. And because they never won a ring they are looked at as less. The fact Nash has never even gotten his team to or lead his team to a finals with way more talent then CP3 ever had makes me wonder how you can say he is a better "leader"

Because he was the leader of those teams. He's had more success in his career as the leader of those teams, and, at the points taken (whatever yr for Paul and the 05-06 year for Nash), he had a ton more experience doing it.

So how is there a counter-arguement there?

Good gawd, IP; supporting cast.

"C'mon, meow"

[Kane3387]

Chris Paul > Steve Nash

i agree.

Also wrong.

To add my two cents in the Nash/Paul debate, I believe Chris Paul is the better all around player, but I like Nash better as a leader. With Scottie Pippen, a guy who for his entire career was always the second star, I like the 2 time MVP in Steve Nash leading the show. Plus with Scottie Pippen around, you can deal with Nash's lack of defense.

Is Nash really more of a leader then Paul? Neither has ever even played in the Finals let alone lead a team there.

He's been farther along, had more playoff success, and has more experience as a leader.

How is he not better? Just because he's never been to the Finals, that makes him only as good as the guy who has also never been to the Finals?

Yeah. I mean there are guys who are legends, were the best players on their team, but didn't win a ring. And because they never won a ring they are looked at as less. The fact Nash has never even gotten his team to or lead his team to a finals with way more talent then CP3 ever had makes me wonder how you can say he is a better "leader"

Because he was the leader of those teams. He's had more success in his career as the leader of those teams, and, at the points taken (whatever yr for Paul and the 05-06 year for Nash), he had a ton more experience doing it.

So how is there a counter-arguement there?

I am not totally disagreeing with you about Nash over Paul first off. I never gave my opinion on that.

But I really wanted to see your stance as far as leadership. You could argue that Paul did more with what he had around him on his best playoff run then what Nash did with what he had around him on his best playoff run.

However taking into account injuries and teammates I believe the 2005-06 Nash is better then any Chris Paul. My opinion. What he was able to do with Phoenix that yr. was special considering the injuries and where they finished.

[wdleehi]

Need a go to scorer that can spread the floor. 






Round 2: May 30th

   Rd   Pk   Ovr#   Time      Team (GM)              
   2.      1      (17)      1:30 PM      Heat (RebusRankin) Alonzo Mourning    
   2.      2      (18)      1:45 PM      Jazz (bdm860) Jason Kidd    
   2.      3      (19)      2:00 PM      Nuggets (Yoki) Grant Hill
   2.      4      (20)      2:15 PM      Spurs (IP) Steve Nash
   2.      5      (21)      2:30 PM      Magic (syfy9) Shawn Marion    
   2.      6      (22)      2:45 PM      Thunder (Kane3387) Dennis Rodman      
   2.      7      (23)      3:00 PM      Bulls (33-00-32)   Joe Dumars  
   2.      8      (24)      3:15 PM      Celtics (KCattheStripe)     Chris Paul
   2.      9      (25)      3:30 PM      Clippers (Bahku)    
   2.      10      (26)      3:45 PM      Mavericks (Moranis) Paul Pierce
   2.      11      (27)      4:00 PM      Hawks (wdleehi Redz) Ray Allen   
   2.      12      (28)      4:15 PM      Grizzlies (Dons)    
   2.      13      (29)      4:30 PM      Pacers (Celtic Fan Forever)    
   2.      14      (30)      4:45 PM      Knicks (Rondo2287)    
   2.      15      (31)      5:00 PM      Lakers (GreenFaith1819)    
   2.      16      (32)      5:15 PM      Sixers (Who)